Best freeper smack down ever! - Democratic Underground

Melodybe

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Fri Aug-19-05 08:07 PM
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Best freeper smack down ever!

Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 08:13 PM by Melodybe

My friend Tamyrlin79 just delivered my favorite freeper smack down ever! here is the conversation:
One of his friends sent out an email in support of Cindy and this is what transponded.

Response from Freeper about request for Cindy support:

Dear Blank-

Someday, you will understand and hopefully, so
will Cindy. I'm sure her son did.
Love - You,

Freeper

Where my good buddy Tamyrlin gets involved:

How condescending. We who support Cindy don't
understand??? Just because her son volunteered
and fulfilled his oath by performing duty, that does
not in any way excuse what the president has done,
which is send that boy to fight in an unjust war.
Justified self-defense is the only thing that distinguishes
a noble conflict from a criminal enterprise. Read
St. Augustine and his theories on "just war" if you
want some background on this subject.

Basically, the only legitimate use of force is in
self-defense. If someone comes into your home with
a gun and you shoot them, the ONLY thing that keeps
you from facing conviction on a murder charge is
justified self-defense. So, too, it is in war. By your
logic, the president can sacrifice the blood of our
troops for whatever he pleases and that alone makes it a
"noble cause". If the president sends our troops
to steal the immense treasury of the King of Brunei
(one of the world's richest men) just because he wants
the money, is that conflict justified simply because
the president sent them there and some of our troops
died in the effort? Did our soldiers die in a
JUSTIFIED cause? Hardly. They died in service of a criminal
enterprise (theft) that serves only the interests
of the powerful, not the interests of the nation as a
whole. Our soldiers volunteer to defend the
United States of America. Any use of our soldiers in a
way that is not in our self-defense is a perversion of
their service in that it uses their sworn oath to
compel their service in a criminal enterprise.
That is wrong. Period.

Consider what it means to "support the troops"
under those circumstances. If our troops are being used
to steal, plunder, and pillage, not to defend this
nation, is it supporting the troops to demand that
they not be used for such evil endeavors, or is it
supporting the troops to ask them to "stay the
course" in their plundering and pillaging (and, of course,
killing)? What does justice demand of us in that
situation? Surely, supporting the troops requires
challenging the criminal enterprise in which they
are being used, not asking them to continue in the
perpetration of more immoral, unjustified acts.
That would seem to be the moral thing to do.

When Cindy Sheehan asks "What noble cause?" she is
asking the president to justify this war. Because
as things stand now, we have a war on our hands
without any justification: all the shifting reasons given
have been proven false, including the only two that
ever had any chance of being legitimate reasons: No
Iraq/Al Quaeda connection, No WMDs. Thus, Cindy Sheehan is
asking the president to prove to her, the nation,
and the world that he's not guilty of murder by
sending her son to die in a war that was not waged in
defense of the United States. She's asking him to explain
what reason justifies her son's death, what reason
justified invading Iraq. And she deserves an
answer for that charge. The Nation deserves an answer for
that charge. If there is no justification, then
the war cannot be legitimately continued. To continue
it under those circumstances is to ask even more
troops to die in vain in service of an unjust cause than
have already done so.

Someday, hopefully you will understand the
difference between just causes and unjust ones. I'm certain
Cindy Sheehan does.

Freeper response:
Once again I have asked not to get CRAP like this
on my work email.

Tamyrlin:
You've never asked me. I don't know you. *shrug* But
since you were responding to me, here's my reply.

Freeper Response:
I have two family members lost in past
wars two living brothers who chose to serve and an ex
husband. We go on...

Tamyrlin:
And that matters because...??? I have family also
lost in wars stretching back to the American
Revolution as well as family who have served. So,
don't play that card with me. Just because you have
family in the military, that doesn't grant you some
de facto patriotism.... Sorry, but patriotism isn't
paint that just rubs off on those around. But I guess you
are one of those that thinks patriotism is just a
magnetic yellow ribbon stuck on your car?

Freeper:
I love George Bush and support him totally.
This nutty ass woman did get to meet with Bush already. HE
KNOWS ok.

Tamyrlin:
Maybe he does know, but that's not the point, is it?
The point is to hold him accountable for lying by
demanding he tell the truth to the American people.

Freeper:
Just like the rest of us. It is awful. I think
Cindy needs some therapy and legal mind repairing drugs like
some others.

Tamyrlin:
That's right! Medicate principled dissent! So much
for freedom of speech, right? It's sad when people like
yourself have family in the military but apparently
don't give a damn about the ideals, freedoms, and
liberties they are asked to defend and die for. Why
do you hate America?

Freeper:
Get a life and let me get to work ass hole.

Tamyrlin:
Ooooo... Now you've resorted to name-calling... and
cursing. Please note that I did none of that.
Rather, I presented an argument that you clearly can't
respond to legitimately, so you have to call me names. And
they call those of us on the Left "angry". Well,
it's clear that the right is angry, too, AND
mean-spirited and vitriolic to boot. I'm angry about an unjust war
that wrongly sacrifices our soldier's lives... Why
are you so angry?

Freeper:
Better yet why don't you join the "lets get
Saddam free so he can fund the
Tailban so they can kill more of us right here in
our own country fan club"

Tamyrlin:
How about not putting words in my mouth? I'm glad to
see that you can faithfully parrot right-wing TV
pundit talking points on cue, but no one said
anything about freeing Saddam. But getting rid of him was not
enough to justify a war. Can you honestly say that
if you were told before the war that "We should invade
Iraq to get rid of Saddam" and that was the only
reason, then you would have still supported it?
There are plenty of dictators in the world, including in
our allies of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Tajikistan, and so
forth. Perhaps you'd like to invade them all? And
recently on Iraqi radio, one man was quoted as
saying "Before the invasion we had Saddam, but now we have
a thousand Saddam's". That would also be the case
about Al-Quaeda. I suppose in your oh-so-unlogical
universe you think that giving Osama thousands of more
recruits is a good thing???

Freeper:
......JESUS HELP YOU

Tamyrlin:
I don't think Jesus has anything to do with it. Tell
me: Who would Jesus bomb? You sure are war-hungry
to claim to follow the man known as the Prince of
Peace. Perhaps you have a different Jesus in mind? One that
supports unjust wars, torture, imprisoning people
without trial, lying, war profiteering... the list
goes on... If that is the Jesus you refer to and
worship, then you can keep him because he's nothing
but the Devil wrapped in pretty God-looking
clothing.

A pity you are so entranced by the appearance of
virtue that you cannot see through to the evil that
lies beneath the veneer. If we paint up a brothel to
look like a church, you'd suddenly have no problem
with the prostitution that goes on inside, right?

It's too bad that you allow your faith in God to
blind you to the evil of man... in this case the
oh-so-glaring corruption of George Bush. You can
follow him if you want to. But don't you dare blame
the rest of us when you find he's led you over a
cliff and into the maw of Hell, because we tried to warn
you, just as the prophets once tried to warn the
Israelites of the consequences of their actions.
They didn't listen either. The wrath of God is righteous,
and I can't imagine he looks at all favorably on the
actions of this administration. If he does, then
he's no God I'd care to follow anyway. My God is one of
truth, love, peace, and justice. You can keep that
hateful, warmongering one of yours.

Freeper:
Sincerely and thank you,
******
Tamyrlin:
Sincerely and you're welcome,
Tamyrlin79

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Bravo for Tamyrlin, by using honestly and logic in the smack down!

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