Sauce for the goose: for-profit colleges.

[Deja Q]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/11/60minutes/main772913.shtml


The school declined to comment, but 60 Minutes knows that all three women graduated near the top of their classes. A year later, none had been able to find the kind of job she was supposedly trained for.

Shoelberg was managing a telephone store; Harris was unemployed; and Thurston was selling T-shirts. All of them went heavily into debt to get a two-year degree they now believe has little value.

I'm in the same boat. (well, different college and field - but the same chicanery. They dared put up my name onto their "successful graduaes" list even though the job I got into had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COURSES I TOOK. Data entry is quite different...)

As are many others.

Anyone else think pro-profit is a good thing anymore? In concept it's not bad but it's been abused far too much. And even I am tempted to openly argue with "ayn randbots" too thick to see the world for what it really is.

[ComerPerro]

1. Whenever anything is "for profit" I question their motives

especially something like a college.

I mean, why wouldn't they lie to get more enrollment? They are in it for the money.

But, you're right. There are tons of Ayn Rand worshippers who believe this is a good and pure thing.

[Toots]

4. Those two words..For Profit..should immediately tell you their motives

Shouldn't be a lot of questioning going on. :shrug:

[ComerPerro]

6. true.

[geckosfeet]

2. For profit schools: Teach what the funding sources tell them to teach.

If you want useless "education", let the conservative mind control government and corporate entities fund the schools. They will force an educational curriculum based on popularity polls and trends.

Eventually state schools will be teaching intelligent design instead of evolution because the government says it should get a fair shake. After learning that gibberish no one will be able find a job because they don't know facts from fiction and have not been taught how to think critically. The country will eventually have to trash an education system that does not work.

On the other hand, private schools will be able to keep reality based curriculum's, increase their tuitions, and continue to make real education available to those with the money to pay for it.

Talk about class warfare.

[XanaDUer]

3. So I guess this is what comes of running

education "like a business."

When I see these ads on TV, especially for ones about "working in a medical office" behind a desk I think, "Why does a person have to get 20 grand in debt just to get a job making doctor appointments?"

[Systematic Chaos]

5. I totally agree that for-profit schools are shit.

But, for many trades it's pretty hard to imagine getting good training in a public university setting. I think there should be a push to open up more programs in community colleges for stuff like cosmetology and other skills that currently are full of rip-off places that only want your money.

When I went to casino dealer's school back in 1990, all the places in Vegas were set up such that a 3-game program cost close to FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS. The idea was that you would get a Pell grant and loans to cover it. Problem was, the default rates at these "schools" were well over 90%. People off the street would sign up, get their excess loan money disbursed to them at the rate of a couple hundred a week for 4 months or so, and basically live on it. Then once they graduated and figured out that the good jobs were next to impossible to get, they would skip town and never repay the money.

The government (oh so conveeeeniently for me :eyes:) got tired of this less than a year after I finished my training, and all the old schools closed. There went the "job placement assistance" and lifetime of free practice training. Now, the places that are still around charge like $300 a game and you pay in weekly installments out of pocket. The owners still make lots of money and there's still a pathetic glut of stupid fucking casino dealers. So everybody's happy. Or not. :(

[sleipnir]

7. Finally, NYU, Columbia are being exposed!!! Oh, wait....

I guess the reporter didn't dig too deep. Perhaps they should run a story about universities that are "For Profit" but keep it a dirty, deep secret. The sickening problem of a couple of colleges that provide serious kickbacks for their admins should be dealt with. Imagine, the big schools finally being held accountable and no longer charging you and arm and a leg to attend.