Bush: We Have To Fight Them Over There!

[Wafture]

[EST]

1. I am floored!

So cool.

[pacalo]

2. But he should have fought them in Afghanistan!

And he had the gall to tell us that Osama wasn't that important, that he doesn't give him much thought.

[whistle]

3. It is time to call shrub what he really is... asshole, shit for brains....

...pretender to the presidency. Bush's War about fighting for the power of oil and the grabbing of money. Bush and his crowd, his base of supporters and like-mined wanna-bees are "Grabbers"! That means they take what they can by whatever means possible and screw the rest of us. Grabbers....Grabbers....Grabbers.

Lies and deceit are part of the tools Grabbers use to achieve those self-centered goals.

[damntexdem]

4. Over there in Crawford?

Or over there i Idaho?

I'm confused. ;-)

[Wafture]

5. What's in Idaho?

:shrug:

[Wafture]

6. The Crack Is Getting BIGGER

The president says we must fight them over there, so we do not have to fight them over here. But, before we invaded Iraq, not one American had been killed by an Iraqi in a dozen years. Since we invaded, 1,500 Americans have died and the number of insurgents has multiplied from 5,000 to 20,000. By Don Rumsfeld's own metric, our intervention is creating more terrorists than we are killing. We are fighting a guerrilla army that our own invasion called into being.

President Bush's advisers were 100 percent wrong about what would happen in Iraq, but perhaps they are right now. If not, however, he and we may discover that the alternative to autocracy is not democracy, but Islamic fundamentalism or anarchy, and Bush may find himself with the epitaph penned a century ago by an old imperialist who knew the region well:

"A fool lies here/Who tried to hustle the East."

Click Here To See Whose Words These Are

Surprised?

[blarbushie]

7. Out Of Iraq Now

[bribri16]

8. Yeah, so they can kill us over there. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

9. Great bumper stickers!

:applause:

[Wafture]

10. Another conservative breaks with Bush

Hagel: "Iraq could be worse than Vietnam"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/26/175537/375

[blarbushie]

11. Bush brings his message to Utah today

:puke:

[Wafture]

12. Better to Fight Them Over There?

Better to Fight Them Over There?

By Bill Scheurer

When our youngest son, an ex-marine, signed up for the national guard to go to Iraq, this was the reason he gave us: “It’s better to fight them over there, so we don’t have to do it over here.” Of all the myths that led to and prop up the misguided war and occupation in Iraq, this is perhaps the most flawed of them all.

Forget about the fact that its premise is simply inaccurate. Exactly who are the “them” that would fight us over here? Even today, the military frankly admits it cannot tell us who makes up the Iraqi resistance that gives them so much trouble -- neither as to their origins, nor their motives. Do we really think that the people who dig in with guns and roadside bombs in Iraq, are the same people that would have the skill sets, motivations, and other resources needed to infiltrate here?

Forget about the fact that Iraq posed no credible threat to the U.S., had no ties to 9/11, and had no weapons of mass destruction. That it was a crumbling regime, crippled by decades of war and international sanctions.

Forget about the fact that the more people the U.S. occupiers kill “over there,” the more the resistance grows, in numbers and force. So, why is this argument so bad? Because, it is so inhumane.

What does this say about America -- that we would go into another nation, bomb it to oblivion, destroy its civil society, capture and kill its people, and build permanent bases of occupation -- all for the sake of turning their homeland into a free-fire zone, so we can fight our enemies there instead of here?

Continued at http://www.peacemajority.org/myview-overthere.htm

[Wafture]

13. Very Cathartic