I keep hearing from war supporters that if we don't fight

[Cleita]

them there, we will have to fight them here. Fight who? I never remember reading anything about Saddam planning an invasion of the USA. I don't even know what to say to this. The whole statement is totally illogical to me.

Has anyone run into this? How do you answer it?

Edited for punctuation.

[Shoeempress]

1. Make them explain the entire statement and don't let them skip a

single point. Keep asking questions, until they finally realize they have no answer.

[Son of California]

2. Thats the "Big Lie" that Hitler talked about

the lie that everyone believes precisely because it is so implausible.

If we don't want to fight terrorists in our country -why aren't we spending a lot more time tightening our borders and our immigration policy?

Next time you hear that, ask them to explain logically how that works -how fighting there does anything to stop violence here....I bet you they have no answer.

[blue sky at night]

dumbya is going to crusade next week on this very theme....

how do I know.....listen to AAR, the news is bushspeak central. I can't stand their feed, does it come from the White House Basement?? You are right, it is totally moronic to believe this stupid statement.

[acmejack]

3. Well now we've fixed it so we will fight them here irregardless!

Arabs have long memories and value retribution.

[AlCzervik]

4. I question the judgement and the ability of knowing right from wrong

of war supporters. We don't even have Unmanned drones that could fly all the way to Iraq and dump bio or chemical weapons and we were supposed to believe that Iraq did?

[Selatius]

5. That argument is insane

"Fight them there so we don't fight them here."

If it held any validity, London would not have been attacked. Madrid would not have been attacked. If anything, causing a mess over there simply gives them more imperative to attack over here until we leave them alone.

[TrueAmerican]

6. Also ask them "how they are fighting them overthere"?

when they are overhere talking how we are fighting them overthere.

[Hand]

7. Just tell them...

:sarcasm: "Maybe we could WIN here--ASSHOLE."

:mad:

[Big Kahuna]

12. Good one :)

[Hand]

20. An oldie but a goodie...

It's actually athrowback to the Nam era--originally it was "If we don't fight them there, we'll have to fight them in Pasadena..." "Well, maybe we could win in Pasadena." Michael Herr quoted that one in his book "Dispatches", although he said that he never dared say it out loud to the colonels in Saigon.
:toast:

[MisterP]

8. "the terrorists," which were only in camps in OUR No-Fly Zones

and we ARE fighting them "here" (in the "Free World")--just ask the Madrilenes, Balians, Londoners, U.S. troops, Iraqis, victims of the Wolf Brigades (encompasses some of the above)

[Liberal In Texas]

9. Gee, I remember they told us before the war that Saddam was going

to fly planes over and spray our cities with WMD chemicals.

Guess what, that hasn't happened!

Then in 2004 Condi and Darth (Chaney) kept saying that if we elected Kerry there would be mushroom clouds over our cities.

That hasn't happened either! So therefore, the war was a good idea! /sarcasm.

[nankerphelge]

10. I've always said that it makes absolutely no sense at all.

When I heard someone utter that illogic recently, I mentioned the London bombings. I said those terrorists must not have gotten the memo... they're supposed to be fighting us over there, not in London. Of course for your average war supporting idiot, London is over there as well. Logic and facts only confuse those morons (aka morans).

[Hand]

11. DUPE--self-deleted

[Webster Green]

13. Even if it were true, it's arrogant, belligerent, and criminal....

What right does Bush have to invade, destroy and occupy another country in order to draw terrorists to it so we can fight them there instead of here?

WTF?!

[punpirate]

14. It is illogical...

... and is meant to divert the discussion from why the US is in Iraq in the first place.

We aren't "defending our freedom" by starting wars around the world. And, that's the salient point in this matter--we started it. That's what they don't want to address, because the rest of their argument crumbles when detailed evidence is produced that we started this war without cause.

This is a defensive posture on their part to avoid the obvious--that we aren't always what we say we are. There's a very strong need for such people to never question the truism that we're the good guys, and always on the side of right. Once they are forced to consider that such isn't always true, then maybe Bush isn't what he seems, etc. Once there's a crack in that armor of faith, that fundament, they're terrified at having to look squarely at the revealed truth. Compounding that is they, like their leader, never want to admit that they were wrong about anything.

That's pretty much why such arguments go nowhere with the rigidly nationalistic people in the country. One little crack and, uh,...

[Cleita]

19. I think you are right.

When they finally have to admit that their loyalty was misused by that con-artist, they probably are really going to explode.

[ComerPerro]

15. I usually respond with "Why aren't YOU fighting them there?"

And point out that if they won't fight them there, then I have serious doubts that they would even fight them here.

[seabeyond]

16. posted a.m. on another thread. my thoughts on this

the first time i heard this, a year ago spring. i was sitting in chapel with a fundie friend talking about all this. she said this to me, fighting terrorist there so they wont kill us here. my mouth dropped. first words out of my mouth, what cowards we are. what cowards we are. better thousands other die to aviod any death of us, on this soil. how unchristian is that. i was just amazed and shocked that anyone counting themselves part of the human race could use this as argument in killing others. how arrogant of a people are we

[Cleita]

21. Are they getting this fed to them in Church?

It just seems so odd that the war supporters are all repeating the same mantra.

[seabeyond]

26. like i say, spring of '04 was the first i had heard

i dont know if she is a fox watcher, i dont think she watches news at all. but she goes to church 3-4 times a week. must have been. my kids were in a christian school. so there was a lot of things i was hearing coming from the pulpit. kerry wasnt a christian. kerry was a murderer. bush was placed in office by god.

this woman had to hear it from there. there was a lot lot of that going on in the church. after hearing her, i started hearing it more and more

it is embarrassing for anyone to say that. they dont know how corwardly adn arrogant they are to say something like this out loud. that is the sad thing

[Roland99]

17. Is it because our security here is so worthless?

And fighting over there, eh? For how long? When do we tell if we won?

[Poiuyt]

18. We are using Iraqi citizens as human shields

I guess Bush thinks they aren't very important.

I guess Bush also thinks that they can't buy airplane tickets if we're fighting them there.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

22. Tell them we are fighting the Iraqis over there because

they wouldn't come over here.... and that is the truth of it when you really think about it.

[achtung_circus]

23. In the 1960's

they said "if we don't fight Communism in Vietnam, where will we fight it? On the Mississippi?

Same shit, different pile.

[marbuc]

24. Ask the war supporters

who "them" is? They will likely start blabbering about terrorists, insurgents and islamofacists. At this point remind them not all muslims are the same, and Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeida were actually in Afganistan when we invaded Iraq, who was largely an innocent bystander

They have been completely fooled by the bait and switch that allowed fear and hatred of Osama to be transferred to Iraq. We have to put this to an end. The war in Iraq is NOT a battle in the war on terror, it only looks like one on TV.

[Hubert Flottz]

25. Call Them Conspiracy Nuts!

That is a Conspiracy Theory if I EVER heard one! Do they hear voices too like Brother Dumbya and the Son of Sam dude?

[Windy]

27. All I can say is bAAAAAAAA bAAAAAAAAAAAbAAAAAA

[BeFree]

28. Who told them that?

Was it the same guy who told them WMD were minutes away? Yes.

Was it the same bunch of politicians who said Iraq had biological weapons? Yes.

Well, do they still believe those lies and the liars who told those lies? No.
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This is the crux of the matter. Do they still trust the big government who repeatedly lied? Have they blindly given over all their reasoning to a bunch of government officials? Officials who have proven they can't be trusted?
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I was politicing the other day around the county courthouse when a guy said he didn't trust no politician. I said: neither do I, why do ya think I'm down here looking over their shoulders? It's time for questions, because the answers we have been given ain't worth a warm pile of spit.

[buddysmellgood]

29. So we could have picked any country? And is that what we told the UN?

That we needed to make war in Iraq to keep the messy business of it all off our soil? Gosh, sorry Iraq.