Bush, Frist & Co. call Intelligent Design a "Theory", right?

[hopein08]

Shouldn't good neocon religious right-wingers have a problem with calling intelligent design a "theory"? I am far from an expert on the topic, so please feel free to corect me if I'm wrong. Here's my issue...intelligent design theory says that "something" or "someone" bigger and better than us and evolution created man, right? Now, shouldn't good Bible thumping right-wingnuts object to such a broad definition? Shouldn't they be more sure about who created man? Shouldn't they object to leaving the definition open to possibly include aliens, Flying Spaghetti Monsters (another DU thread), and Scientology type deals? I would think that Bush & Co. would demand something more specific and definite, rather than something so interpretive. They disagree with the "theory" of evolution, probably the Big Bang "theory" (I would presume, but don't know for sure), but they don't generally seem like the type who would appreciate someone disagreeing with the "theory" of intelligent design. Someone ought to write more letters like the Flying Spaghetti Monster and really shoot this thing down for what it is.

This is, of course, just my humble opinion, and I completely understand if anyone disagrees and would like to here the thoughts of others. I also apologize if this has been discussed ad nauseum before, I must have missed it if it was.

Here's the link to the Flying Spaghetti Monster thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4410580

[wli]

1. it lacks a body of evidence, it's rather a logical argument

Similar to arguments for the existence of God.

[Kagemusha]

2. Frist calls it science and fact.

Which just ticks me off more, mind you.

[hopein08]

4. Aren't you supposed to have PROOF before you call something science & fact

Somebody ought to ask Frist where the proof is.

Ticks me off too!

[kcass1954]

10. But junior refers to evolution as a theory. n/t

[whistle]

3. The more these guys can get America distracted on mythology...

...and religion, the easier it will be for them to advance their agenda of military conquest, the new one world order and the elimination of godless liberals.

[hopein08]

13. I totally agree, cloud peoples heads with trivialities...

and the world is yours.

I hate to bring the Nazis but this quote seems to apply (and I've seen it here on DU many times before, I think)...

Joseph Goebbels......."This ability to believe is rather weak in some circles, above all in those with money and education. They may trust more in pure cold reason than a glowing idealistic heart. Our so-called intellectuals do not like to hear this, but it is true anyway. They know so much that in the end they do not know what to do with their wisdom. They can see the past, but not much of the present, and nothing at all of the future. Their imagination is insufficient to deal with a distant goal in a way such that one already thinks it achieved…They perceive only what they can see, but not what is happening, and what will happen. That is why their carping criticisms generally focus on laughable trivialities. Whenever some unavoidable difficulty pops up, the kind of thing that always happens, they are immediately inclined to doubt everything and to throw the baby out with the bath water. To them difficulties are not there to be mastered, rather to be surrendered to."

[Secular Agent Man]

5. Frist saw the video of God creating the cosmos

and is basing his opinion on that. :crazy:

[Richard Steele]

6. Technically, it's not a "theory"...

And it's not even a "hypothesis".

It contains precepts which, upon their face,
can NEVER be proven or disproven by application of
scientific methodology.

So it has no "scientific" name at all.

It is NOT "science", not even BAD science.

It is RELIGION draped in random scientfic terminology...

aka: "CRAP"

[Zenlitened]

7. Bible thumping right-wingnuts are quite comfortable telling lies...

... even about their own beliefs. There's nothing they won't corrupt, if it means grabbing a bit more power and contrrol for themselves. An ignorant, unthinking populace is their wildest dream, and they'll take it any way they can get it.

[hopein08]

12. Isn't that the saddest, most hypocritic form of Christianity?

It just seems like it goes against everything that people so religious and so God-fearing should be and believe. How can a man like Rick Santorum (for lack of a better example) say that he learns from Jesus and tries to follow his examples. Jesus kissed lepers and embraced all parts of society and even people who held different faiths, disagreed with his teachings, and forgave those who killed him. Rick Santorum compares a particular lifestyle to bestiality, claims a plague on all society caused by those who are different than him, and seems to believe that one can get closer to God by stepping on the backs of his fellow men. How is that Christianity?

Sorry if that is a bit off topic but it is getting to me and I had to say it.

[Burried News]

8. Dr. or not, does Frist strike anybody as a suitable spokesperson

for 'intelligence'?

And as for Bush all we have to do is watch him walk to the podium and it is clear that a primate lineage is undeniable.

[kahleefornia]

9. ID is worse than creationism

It's a cowardly version of it. At least creationists go all out in their craziness. ID people know they can never get creationism taught in public schools, so they're trying to make it look like science, and sneak it by people who aren't paying attention. Oh, hey it's just a "theory", so shouldn't all "theories" be taught?

You're absolutely right - they would not go for public schools teaching the theory of the earth being carried on the back of a giant turtle, or of man being made of clay from the bottom of Grand Canyon, or any of the other countless origin myths.

I think you bring up a good point - if not the whole reason ID is so ridiculous as a cause.

[Warren DeMontague]

11. "Intelligent Design Theory" is philosophy, not science.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster, however, is a FACT.