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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:54 AM
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We each know what we must do. It cannot be more obvious.
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 12:57 AM by understandinglife
I read the following earlier this evening:

That little boy I was talking about... I forgot to mention... He died of starvation two days ago. I helped bury him, I was actually the only one doing it. I put a rock on top of the little mound, and wrote one word. The single word that all of us were waiting for:

'Freedom'

I feel like I'm trapped in Hell, like I'm stuck in a valley that I cannot get out of.

If death is the only freedom, then I hope that God gives it to me."

(The American soldier who wrote that was killed in Iraq this week.)

Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4411204


And, within a few minutes, I read this:

I think about Iraq every day even though I've been home 6 months. And I still cannot figure out why I was there or why americans died over there. I'm all for war, but only "right" wars. I was decorated for valor and congratulated by Colonels, and it's all hollow because it is for nothing. That's why I'm against the war in Iraq.

I can definitely say nothing in suburban America ever EVER prepared me for anything I saw over there. Besides the actual combat, the simple fact that instead of just watching one of those UNICEF commercials with the babies with flies all over them, I was actually in one.

I can't tell you how dirty and malnourished the small children were. Begging for food and eating whatever we threw out of our MRE's. I'll never forget this girl probably like 8 years old came up to me with probably a 2 month old asking me to help the baby because it had some sort of nasty looking scabby rash. I told here I didn't have anything. It's not like I was a medic or like we even had one with us, but she was so insistent and so upset, and the baby was just motionless, flies all over her face. ....

<clip>

And you never hear about how many Iraqi civilians are killed just because they work for Americans and are trying to provide for their families. We had a restaurant on our FOB run by haji's .... so after about 2 minutes of busting this guy a little he gets red and says, "I will tell you why we have no fries, man that delivers fries was killed because he works with americans". When he said that it just floored us. We couldn't imagine some one who delivers french fries would be killed just because he delivers food to a guy that works for americans.

Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4411562


And, it became clearer than ever before what we must do.

Bring the Nation to a halt. NOW.

Force Bush and Cheney to resign. NOW.

Be unrelenting in bringing Bush, Cheney and all their fellow neoconster war criminals to justice. NOW.

No 'business as usual' until we stop these mass murdering sociopaths from ruining America and humanity.

No waiting until 2006 or 2008 because these mega-criminal nutjobs are likely to have preemptively and illegally attacked Iran and Syria and who knows what other country before we get to the end of 2005.

They must be stopped, NOW.

And, the only way that happens is for every single one of us to become a 'Cindy Sheehan.'

Except, our demand is not to meet with Bush, it is to expel him and his co-criminals and take them to trial.

As Cindy Sheehan correctly notes -- they work for us. Let's act accordingly.

It is time We The People ... FIRE THEM AND RENDER THEM TO JUSTICE. NOW.


Peace.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:59 AM
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:59 AM
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2. i couldn't agree more-
we have to stop this NOW- i just don't know how-
how do we wake the sleeping masses?????????

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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:08 AM
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27. I think even though we care deeply
We are sitting at home, self medicating. We have to stop!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:02 AM
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3. I think we're on the way
It seems to me this is going the same way as Vietnam but much faster. That's how it seems to me. I think this is so horrible and so sad. :cry: I was watching Moore's F911 disc earlier this weekend and on the disc in the extra's I saw the video that had Iraq before Bush went in and it's sooo heartbreaking. :cry:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:25 AM
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4. "... run by haji's ..."
Can't shake being a racist ass, even after all that?

(We need an emoticon who's scratching his head)
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:26 AM
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5. Who really has the power to bring this country to a stand still?
In my opinion it is the truckers, stop deliveries and everyone get on the bandwagon and support them, until changes are made. Until criminals are charged with crimes against humanity and treason. I can't think of anything else that could effect the rich and immoral more than their "stuff" not being delivered and the companies getting pissed because they cannot make the bucks, it would be such a domino effect. Strike for Justice. Maybe the Representatives that don't Represent will get a clue who they damn work for. Just a thought.
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Dynasty_At_Passes Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:28 AM
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6. Good thoughts.....
But I think its already started with the Salt Lake City, Denver, New York protests......How many truckers and unions need to get out there? We should go enlighten thousands...
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:36 AM
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10. they could, any of us could cause a nationwide legal slowdown
until Bush leaves. Go out on the interstates. Drive abreast of each other. Drive 1 mph below the legal limit. Not a damn thing would stand up in court, if anyone was even stopped or arrested.
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:39 AM
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11. I like that idea, it is simple and workable
Ideas like this is what starts the revolution...
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:03 AM
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16. Actually rather 'patriotic', too, in a gas-saving sense. 54 mph? nt
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:49 AM
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23. Blocking the highways in this manner is illegal as all get out.
And yes you would be arrested and the cops would win in court.

This was tried by truckers back in the 1960's.

They lost.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:02 PM
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36. Political CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE only fails because too few participate,
MASS protest works, like in INDIA during the British occupation, when the courts were overwhelmed by the PEACEFUL multitudes.
The only question is, can Americans summon up the wisdome & raw smarts to emulate the Indian populice? Nay sayers will only prolong the suffering and rule of the neocon's that hired the killers like Bush, the worse mass murder the U.S. has produced since the Johnson & Nixon era, who shared 5 years each, killing south east Asians.
How many Iraqis died from the sanctions and no-fly-zone U.S. bombings and rocket attacks? I forget, it may even exceed the Bush War?
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:54 AM
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25. Then the first thing you need to know is that most truckers are not Union.
Teamster drivers, most of whom do not own thier own rigs.

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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:29 AM
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7. Welcome to DU!
:hug: great post!
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:34 AM
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8. I'm just a pissed off American that is ready to fight for change
And that is how we all must get if it is going to happen. There will be a civil war in this country before it is said and done. Too many Righties out there that want this G-damn administration to wipe their asses for them. And they don't care who is dying in Iraq as long as they can glean the profits. You have read their posts and watched and heard the TV and radio talk shows, these people are NOT NORMAL. Something really wrong with this kind of thinking.
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:36 AM
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9. Thanks for the Welcome
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OKDem08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:41 AM
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21. I heard recently that truck drivers are planning to do just that
not in opposition to the War in Iraq; however, in response to increasing gas prices which are diminishing their ability to earn a living. Independent truckers are attempting to rally in a nationwide, coordinated strike right at peak Christmas shipping season, for maximum affect.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:46 AM
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22. That "trucker strike" nonsense is legend. It will never happen.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:52 AM
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24. So who is going to make the payments on that 100,000 dollar rig?
When the driver is on strike?

Who will make his home, insurance, food, and other costs of living payments while he is sitting on his behind?

Sounds great, but it wont work for long.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:52 AM
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12. are general strikes illegal? n/t
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:55 AM
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13. It may
take more than that. :hide:
I think I should shut up now.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:57 AM
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14. Why wait for pols to act?
STRIKE!
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:01 AM
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15. Strike is the only option the working class has to be heard...
History tells that story over and over. It does work. It may be the only thing that will. Our Reps won't listen and the ballot doesn't get counted anymore. I have had enough!
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Is It Fascism Yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:37 AM
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17. Amen, and may the Gods help us. N/T
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:38 AM
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18. 57 Soldiers Have Died While Bush Vacations
57 Soldiers Have Died While Bush Vacations

August 2, 2005 to August 20, 2005


20-Aug-2005
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
18-Aug-2005
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
US Staff Sergeant Jeremy Doyle
16-Aug-2005
US Specialist Michael J. Stokely
15-Aug-2005
US Corporal Thomas Strickland
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
14-Aug-2005
US Specialist Toccara R. Green
US Specialist Gary L. Reese Jr.
US Sergeant Shannon D. Taylor
US Staff Sergeant Asbury F. Hawn II
13-Aug-2005
US Specialist Brian K. Derks
12-Aug-2005
US Specialist Rusty W. Bell
US 1st Lieutenant David L. Giaimo
10-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera
US Sergeant 1st Class Michael A. Benson
09-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom
US Specialist Francis Straub Jr.
US Private 1st Class Nathaniel "Nate" DeTample
US Private 1st Class John Kulick
US Specialist Gennaro Pellegrini Jr.
US Specialist Miguel Carrasquillo
08-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales Cordova
07-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Seferino J. Reyna
06-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Chase Johnson Cromley
US Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat
US Specialist Kurt E. Krout
05-Aug-2005
US Sergeant 1st Class Brett E. Walden
US Gunnery Sergeant Terry W. Ball Jr.
US Sergeant 1st Class Robert V. Derenda
04-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Nils George Thompson
US Staff Sergeant Chad J. Simon
03-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Adam J. Strain
US Specialist Mathew V. Gibbs
US Sergeant 1st Class Charles Houghton Warren
US Specialist Jerry Lewis Ganey Jr.
US Lance Corporal Nicholas William B. Bloem
US Corporal David S. Stewart
US Sergeant Bradley J. Harper
US Lance Corporal Kevin G. Waruinge
US Lance Corporal Grant B. Fraser
US Sergeant Justin F. Hoffman
US Lance Corporal Eric J. Bernholtz
US Lance Corporal Aaron H. Reed
US Corporal David Kenneth J. Kreuter
US Lance Corporal William Brett Wightman
US Lance Corporal Christopher Jenkins Dyer
US Lance Corporal Michael J. Cifuentes
US Lance Corporal Timothy Michael Bell Jr.
US Lance Corporal Edward August Schroeder II
02-Aug-2005
US Petty Officer 1st Class Thomas C. Hull
US Staff Sergeant James D. McNaughton

http://icasualties.org/oif /



:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Iraqi Police and Guardsmen Deaths

Jan-05 109
Feb-05 103
Mar-05 200
Apr-05 199
May-05 259
Jun-05 296
Jul-05 304
Aug-05 148 (146 have been killed while the weed vacations)
1681 2005 Total
1300 Total Prior to 2005
2918 Total


Oh, and it has been reported that 299 civilians (men, women, children) have been killed in this war during the month of August. (279 have died while the weed vacations.)


http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:40 AM
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19. 146 Iraqi Guard/Police & 279 Iraqi Civilians have been killed
while the weed vacations. :cry:

Iraqi Police and Guardsmen Deaths
Jan-05 109
Feb-05 103
Mar-05 200
Apr-05 199
May-05 259
Jun-05 296
Jul-05 304
Aug-05 148 (146 have been killed while the weed vacations)
1681 2005 Total
1300 Total Prior to 2005
2918 Total


Oh, and it has been reported that 299 civilians (men, women, children) have been killed in this war during the month of August. (279 have died while the weed vacations.)


http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx


Not.In.My.Name! :cry:

Let there be Peace on earth!

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:41 AM
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20. UL- I read something tonight and suddenly it occured to me...
Democracy is born as an idea and grows in the hearts and minds of those who believe in it, those who have faith in the system." Andy wrote that. He certainly knew what he was talking about, didn't he?

These evil, maniacal madmen do not believe in democracy. We are fighting a group of people who truly don't give a rat's ass about freedom. We have to expose them. I think that's the only way we can take our country back from these hateful imposters.

"They'll take your soul if you let them..."

Peace.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:49 AM
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29. Read some of Robert Gaylon Ross's books.........
:grouphug:
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SuniSurf Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:02 AM
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26. Possible explanation why we were lied into war
Edited on Sun Aug-21-05 05:06 AM by SuniSurf
Excerpt:

Bush knows that if he talked to Cindy Sheehan, she would demand that he withdraw from Iraq now.

But Bush has no intention of ever pulling out of Iraq. The US is building the largest CIA station in the world in Baghdad. And Halliburton is busily constructing 14 permanent US military bases in Iraq.


www.truthout.org/docs_2005/081805I.shtml
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:15 AM
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28. 'We, the people' are too benumbed and benighted...
Minds and senses overwhelmed by 'things', 'stuff', 'gadgets', 'gizmos'--God forbid we should rock the status-quo ship of state. That might mean giving up some of our beloved creature comforts, sacrificing some of our selfish freedom to consume ourselves into oblivion. :cry:
I weep at what I observe from afar...
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:39 AM
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30. Agree 100 percent. I have never been so consumed with a desire
to do something constructive to end this madness. On the 24th, it should not just be about protesting the war, it should be about a demand for impeachment or resignation. Now I hear the asshat is going to make another plea to the people for his war and the need to stay the course.
He has driven this country into a DITCH and yet he keeps on insisting that we're headed in the right direction. :wtf:
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:58 AM
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41. I'm still waiting for the day when an entire audience turns their
backs on him. That would be the most powerful statement that could be made, but not even the Dems in Congress will do that, much less the Repugs, and since his audiences are hand picked, it will never happen. I just wish the people in Crawford, on the day his little caravan drove through, would have all stood and turned their backs on him. I think he would flip out and that would start the avalanche we need so desperately.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:24 AM
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43. It won't happen.
> I'm still waiting for the day when an entire audience turns their
> backs on him.

It won't happen. You can *ALWAYS* find sufficient religious nut-cases
to fill a Shrub event. You only need to use a few red-meat phrases
like "homosexual marriage" or "abortion" or the deeply-ironic "Islamic
fundamentalism" and they'll turn out by the thousands to support der
Fuehrer; look at how many people even on DU are willing to part company
from us over these issues!

Shrub can *ALWAYS* find a supportive audience.

Tesha

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:36 AM
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31. Kick!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:46 PM
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33. kick after unlocking. (nt)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:48 PM
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34. Thank you very much for unlocking a thread that is meant to help ...
.... us all focus on what We The People must do.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 12:56 PM
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35. I suggest reflecting on these three posts that have appeared since ...
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:05 PM
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37. Only one problem...
I'm don't trust Dennis Hastert or Ted Stephens with the codes to the football either.

As much as I want Bush out, I want them ALL out. Every one of his 'appointees'. Secretarys, Under Secretarys, Ambassadors, etc. Ok, I might be willing to give a pass on a handful of his judicial appointments, but that's as much as I'm willing to give.

At this point, the best thing we can do is elect true Democrats...proven Liberals and Progressives for the 2006 seats. THEN get Bush and Cheney to resign immediately following the installation of the new Democratic Majority Congress. :evilgrin:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:23 PM
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38. I think we have a much better chance of actually 'electing' someone ..
...if we begin by forcing the resignation of Bush and Cheney now. Hastert will be a 'lame duck' for some number of months, but the costs of not ending the Bush empire, now, are just too high.

The people will have even more reason to trust the Progressive Democratic Party by November 2006 because of our actions to dethrone Bush and Cheney and begin legal proceednigs against them and their neoconster fellow crminals.

We have no reason to wait; we have every reason to end the Bush neoconster imperial regime, now.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 01:48 PM
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39. strategy of eternal baseless war for corporate profit and greed is bad ..
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 01:55 PM by understandinglife
for all of our children: born and unborn. We heard a few weeks ago that Rummy said that we would be in Iraq for at least a dozen more years, and we recently heard over the weekend that the military is planning for four more years of this occupation, at least. If Rummy is correct, then Soccer Safety Mom Susie's kindergartener will be fighting and dying in the harsh sands of the Middle East and if the military is correct than NASCAR Dad Nick's middle-schooler should start boot camp now. I hate to be the one to break it to America, but constant war is not a positive family value and this administration's policies are not making us more secure.

We as mothers need to stop buying into the load of misogynistic crap that our children need our constant presence in their lives so they can thrive and grow. What we need as families are strong support systems that allow each family member to grow and achieve his/her full potential as human beings. What we as Moms need to stop doing is giving our children to the military industrial war complex to be used as human cluster bombs: to kill innocent civilians and to perhaps die enriching and feeding the gluttonous war machine.

It is up to us Moms to make sure our children are whole and safe. We can start doing this by always opposing the wars that bury our kids before us. So what I am saying to the people who want me to go home and take care of my kids: I AM taking care of my kids, and yours, too.

From Go Home and Take Care of Your Kids by Cindy Sheehan on August 22, 2005

Link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/go-home-and-take-care-of-_b_6039.html



More truth. Time for Cindy Sheehan to replace Senator Feinstein.

Time for Cindy Sheehan to call Congressman Conyers and discuss what place on the 2008 Progressive Democratic Party ticket for President and VP the two of them should occupy.

Time for 10s of millions of Americans to bring corporate america to a halt until Bush and Cheney resign.

Time for the era of american empire to be replaced by our American Republic.


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:48 AM
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40. Here's is what I've decided to do:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4420481&mesg_id=4431109

And, here is the first of such threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4425185

In a way, it was helpful that this thread was prematurely locked as the incident gave me reason to think about what I will and will not do at DU from this point forward.

Thank you again, 'mods,' for unlocking the thread and removing some stuff that had no relevance to the stated topic.


Peace.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 05:36 AM
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42. Kick!
:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:32 AM
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44. The Bill of Rights
speaks to the manner in which people who want to protect democracy need to act in order to do so. Every time we hear someone who advocates cutting back on the Constitution, we can identify an enemy of democracy.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:49 PM
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45. Precisely. And, ...
I've decided to take a different approach at DU. Several have asked me to assemble various past posts into some sort of document and I've rejected the idea because I'm not interested in advancing myself or producing anything under copyright (which would be the minimum any publisher would expect).

So, I've started a thread and I will expand it with various links and comments. I am going to limit the threads I start to one at a time, and expand it until it reaches a point where its size would be difficult for those on dial up. I'll then start another thread, reference the previous thread with some detailed annotations, and expand.

Maybe this will be helpful.

Here's the first such thread with a title derived from a spectacular quote of Cindy Sheehan's:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4425185


Peace, my friend.
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