MSNBC labels pro-war camp 'Patriotic'

[wellstone dem]

http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap08-20-190030.asp?t=apnew&vts=82020051958

"Patriotic camp springs up to counter peace mom's anti-war demonstration near president's ranch"

My Letter to MSNBC:

I am continually frustrated by the editorializing which goes on in what used to be known as the "news" media, as opposed to "opinion" media. The headline to this article is an example of the media inserting it's opinion into a legitimate story.

"Patriotic camp springs up...." This camp certainly is patriotic. It is a group of citizens exercising it's right to free speech. However, Camp Casey is also patriotic. To label pro-war or pro-Bush as "patriotic" as a contrast to an position in support of peace is a shameful misuse of the word "patriotic" and is an inaccurate depiction of Cindy Sheenan's grief-filled vigil.

[e-mail]



(edited to add email address for msnbc)

[Swamp Rat]

1. Not patriotic but pathetic!

:puke:

[johnfunk]

50. Patriotic my rosy butt!

[Swamp Rat]

53. REALLY great pic!

:woohoo: Did you make it? :applause:

[johnfunk]

70. Nope, borrowed from Bartcop

Please circulate far and wide... and someone PLEASE post it to Free Republic!

[cat starbuck]

104. I noticed that "Pro-Bush" was replaced by "Patriotic" yesterday...

...and sent it to Media Matters last night.

[Califooyah Operative]

83. nice pic. nt

[BlueJac]

85. Nice picture

This is proof Shrub was on the scene first..........:kick:

Good work. :hippie:

[BlueManDude]

2. I'll gladly pay their airfare over to Iraq...

where they can truly exhibit their "patriotism".

[Hugin]

8. I'd gladly loan them a row boat...

Or even a slave galley... That's what they
all are. Galley slaves, for a lie.

[rocktivity]

3. My letter

"PATRIOTIC" camp? You must have been playing hookey from Journalism 100 when the subject of objectivity came up. Exactly what makes Camp Qualls LESS "patriotic" than Camp Casey? More to the point, why can't you let me make up own mind about who's more patriotic based on reporting actual FACTS?

This is a perfect example of why the Internet is getting more popular as a news source and The Daily Show is winning all the awards. How dare you.

:mad:
rocknation

[Flubadubya]

21. Please check you syntax Bro. and resend letter...

You stated: "Exactly what makes Camp Qualls LESS "patriotic" than Camp Casey?"

Don't you mean: "Exactly what makes Camp Qualls MORE "patriotic" than Camp Casey?"

[rocktivity]

30. Done

And it seems to be working already!

CNN: "A pro-Bush camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up downtown Saturday..."

Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "A camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprang up downtown Saturday..."

:bounce:
rocknation/tv

[Flubadubya]

32. Kewl !

:toast:

[Imagevision]

88. Salt Lake City Mayor calls for "the biggest demonstration to greet Bush

<snip>
Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson called for "the biggest demonstration this state has ever seen" to protest President Bush's appearance Monday before a national veterans convention.
"This administration has been disastrous to the country," Anderson said Friday. "If people could organize and speak out in an effective manner from the reddest state in the country, that would garner a lot of attention."

In an e-mail Wednesday to about 10 activist leaders, the maverick mayor of Utah's capital called for a diverse demonstration to greet Bush when he speaks to the Veterans of Foreign Wars at the Salt Palace Convention Center. The mayor plans to join the protesters.

"There should be a collaboration of health-care-provision advocates, seniors, the community, anti-Patriot Act advocates and other civil libertarians, anti-war folks, pro-Social Security advocates, environmental advocates, anti-nuclear-testing advocates, and anti-nuclear-waste-shipment-and-storage advocates," the mayor wrote in the e-mail. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2958368

Recommend and kick this one around.

[Trevelyan]

127. I think AP will get the message intended, esp. with the number of emails

we are going to send!

}( :evilgrin: :thumbsup:

[deutsey]

4. You might also want to write to AP

The article is attributed to an AP reporter:

For general questions and comments;or to contact a specific employee: [e-mail]

www.ap.org

[rodeodance]

5. We should ALL write to msnbc and AP. Thanks. for the heads up.

[progressivebydesign]

54. I have HAD it with AP!! They are literally Bush's own service.

Every time I see an article that is either kissing ass on Bush, trashing the Democrats, or regurgitating a White House press release, it is from Associated Press. SOmeone please tell me what their affiliation is.. I mean.. who owns them now? Because they are basically a White House communcations department. The patriotic term was NOT an accident.. I guarantee that.

[Bluebear]

78. My email to AP

How do you have the unmitigated gall to report that pro-Bush supporters set up a "patriotic" camp in opposition to the dead soldier's mother's camp?

Is her exercising her right to an opinion not "patriotic" in America anymore?

This is SHAMEFUL reporting.

Thank you

[PapaJoe]

114. coulda been worser

"Patriotic camp springs up to counter peace mom's anti-war demonstration near president's ranch"
God Fearing Patriots Protect their Enlightened Leader from the anarchists and hooligans bellyaching about their so called grief.
oh yeah, and the term "springs up" connotes spontaneity, betcha it is rovian

[DELUSIONAL]

6. I wonder how many at the "patriotic" camp are Faux Vets?

Many times the "vets" who claim righteous indignation about anyone who opposes a war --turn out to be Faux Vets.

Some are Vets who never served in Vietnam -- all their service was state side. Some never fought in any of the battles they brag about.

Some claim to have super secret service which is why they can't comment on their major war experiences. Funny thing -- some of these guys were too young -- the Vietnam war ended before they could have gotten out of boot camp.

It's crazy that some cowards will claim to be Vets -- but they never even were in a uniform. Very often these are the most vocal about the people who are against the war.

Most often the REAL deal Vets are the ones who are most eloquent about the horrors of war -- and support peace efforts -- because they know who really supports the troops.

Might be a good idea to find out the names of the war hawks -- and find out if they did indeed serve in the military.

[tabasco]

61. Ask them what unit they were in. What battalion, company, ...

platoon. Usually faux vets will tell you they were in the 82nd Airborne or something like that, but when asked the specific unit, they will change the subject.

I am going to protest on the 24th and I will carry a copy of my DD-214 just in case any freaker doubts my status.

[Hugin]

7. *yawn*

MSRNC... Are idiots.

Bottom of the barrel. Last stop for those on their way
out.

Yup.

When, if they were different. Angle their stories *at least*
to the middle. They could be on top.

Instead they go for the least common denominator.

ONCE AGAIN.

Nice letter! Keep their noses to the grindstone!

[rodeodance]

9. ''Fort Qualls,''

......The camp is named ''Fort Qualls,'' in memory of Marine Lance Cpl. Louis Wayne Qualls, 20, who died in Iraq last fall.

[Hugin]

12. ?

Did you mean to reply to my post?

[rodeodance]

23. not necessarily. just noted the name--as a FORT. forts keep people

safe--in a bubble if you will. and keep other views out.

[Hugin]

26. Ah, I see...

I thought you might've been trying to inform someone of the name.

Didn't want it to get misdirected.

"Fort"... Hmm... A Fort supersedes a "Camp" in military speak.

But, aren't Marines on "Stations" and "Bases"?

They do have "Camps".

Well, the bottom line to this whole "Fort <Insert Name Here>"
counter move is to dilute Cindy's efforts. Disrupt the
unity behind her actions.

[immoderate]

52. Interestingly...

Camp Casey is really a camp. People are camped out there. But Fort Qualls is not really a fort. No fortification, just hyperbole.

--IMM

[DanCa]

10. Ill pay them each fifty dollar bonus sign up fee if they enlist.

Seriously a small piece of advice, and do with it what you will, stop watching msnbc and all that fox feldecarb. All your doing is aggravating yourselves. As soon as I stooped I know I feel a lot fracking better.

[wellstone dem]

13. I didn't actually watch MSNBC

My sister emailed me with a link to the article.

[DanCa]

16. Ah well am not telling you what to watch or not to watch

I have issues with msnbc question my patriotism is all. sorry if we got of on the wrong foot.

[rman]

11. Yes, General Electric's agenda is clear;

war is good for their bottom line.

[DanCa]

14. What Camp Casey should do is

Put up pictures of all the frackin rethugs who wore those purple heart band aids at the convention last year. And with a giant banner that says is this how the republicans honor the troops enlist.

[MSgt213]

15. Support for one man is not Patriotic is called LOYALTY. Loyalty Camp

is more appropriate.

[MSgt213]

17. By the way these people aren't even pro-war. They are pro-Bush big

difference. Pro-war people would be trying to get Iraq to fight.

[Fridays Child]

18. The link isn't working. I wonder if the story is already down.

[City Lights]

36. Link works for me.

:hi:

[rocktivity]

19. Posted it on the Crawford Peace House Message Board

http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com

Why not join up and help keep the freepers in line?

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[union_maid]

20. The "patriotic" came from the AP Story

WaPo has the same story - more accurate headline
War Backers Set Up Camp Near Bush Ranch
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/20/AR2005082001391.html

I'd like to write to someone about it, but to tell the truth I'm not sure who.

[rocktivity]

22. The WaPo headline may be more accurate, but the opening sentence isn't

A patriotic camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother two weeks ago near President Bush's ranch...

So they deserve a letter, too: [e-mail]
as does [e-mail]
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/20/politics/main789020.shtml (contact us on bottom of page)
http://www.kltv.com/Global/category.asp?C=51834&nav=MmhA

:headbang:
rocknation

[rodeodance]

25. it really is demeaning to call the probush fort patriotic as it implies

camp casy is not. crapola.

[deutsey]

24. See my post above: has AP email address

[Catchawave]

27. Ah, the RW trickery.....

...if "their" camp is Patriotic, then Cindy's camp must be "un-patriotic".

I think Cindy uses Pro-Peace and refers to those over at Camp Moran, as anti-peace.

Who's behind those Bushbots anyhow?

[rodeodance]

28. nominated. lets stop complaining and get the letters/emails out and

nip this language thing in the butt.

[Hugin]

29. Who else...

This has pudgy dirty Rovian fingerprints all over it.

[Catchawave]

46. Yep, and you'd think the MSM would have figured this

out by now? Probably, we shouldn't shoot the messengers, just their sponsors? I suspect the working poor aren't the only ones hanging on their jobs by a thread ?

Clearly we know who hires the RW fu*ktards to spew pro-Rovian blather.

So when does "it's only politics" cross the line?

[cal04]

31. my letter, although I am not good at it. I tried

Patriotic -Feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country
Above, the meaning of patriotic!
I'd like to know where it say's in the meaning of Patriotic, to love one's country you have to go to war? Where does it say to love one's country you can't be antiwar? Where does it say that by being in favor of a war, you are any more patriotic than someone who is NOT? Please don't make up your own definition of patriotic. To everyone, showing love for their country is NOT and will NOT ever be the same.

[Psyop Samurai]

33. This is how they do it folks...

...false constructions, false divides. Divides that are mutually reinforcing and insure the status quo.

...Accountability is "anti-war" (the subtext being "soft" in the face of an enemy).

...Being a dupe is "patriotic" (the subtext being "brave", "loyal").

Meanwhile, reckless endangerment persists under the guise of "protection"; treason persists under the guise of "strength", "loyalty".

[rocktivity]

34. Here's another who needs a letter

The Lexington (NC) Dispatch.

Write [e-mail]

:headbang:
rocknation

[thecrow]

35. My Letter:

Subject: What is "reporting"?

I read in your article Patriotic camp springs up to counter peace mom's anti-war demonstration near president's ranch

>>A patriotic camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother two weeks ago near President Bush's ranch.<<

Exactly how can you explain to me that this camp is PATRIOTIC? That they are pro-war?
And in comparison, does this statement mean that Cindy Sheehan's camp is somehow UNPATRIOTIC?
No... the two sides are simply at odds with each other. One is pro-peace and the other is pro-war.
Why are you not "reporting" this just as it is? Are you saying with this article that Cindy Sheehan is
somehow unpatriotic ? You should be ashamed to call yourself journalists.

Please restate the facts. The simple facts are that a pro-war group is setting up a protest to counter Cindy Sheehan's protest.
Therefore, if anything, the people at the pro-war camp are staging a COUNTERPROTEST.
Keep us informed. If I want the facts twisted, I can always tune into FOX.

[City Lights]

37. I gave them a piece of my mind.

MSNBC sinks lower every day. War profiteers shouldn't be in the news business.

[corkhead]

38. Watch "Orwell Rolls in His Grave"

it inspired my sig line

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. One of the most important films ever

If anyone want to order it at Amazon--here is the link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0008237AA/ref=cm_bg_f_1/103-8019488-6478255?v=glance

BUT FIRST write MSNBC and give them a little civics lesson:

[e-mail]

[Douglas Carpenter]

39. thank you, AP had done the same thing--but then backed down

I just E-mailed MSNBC and posted this outrage on another blog.

AP had pulled the same crap. Here is a link on the kos which tells the story:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/21/9367/19576

[Catrina]

51. You have to watch them every minute

to force them to do their jobs. My email to MSNBC, which I doubt they will read or care about. What they will care about is being cancelled.

To Whom It May Concern,

Please clarify something for me, as it becomes more and more difficult each day to tell what is news and what is propaganda.

Do you consider yourself to be a disseminator of news, or is it your mission to promote the agenda of the Bush administration?

I saw an article attributed to your network online today (which is where I now go for news) In it you referred to a group of Bush supporters as 'patriots'. My problem with this is, it appeared to be categorized as a news item.

While I am no journalist, this does not belong in 'news' it belongs in 'editorials'. I assume it is your opinion that only those supporting Bush and war, are 'patriots' and you are certainly entitled to that misguided opinion. But when you present this opinion as 'news' you are misleading the public.

You implied in your opinion piece that the veterans and families of dead soldiers who are supporting Cindy Sheehan are unpatriotic. Please correct this erroneous, propagandistic message.

Thank you,
Catrina xxxx.

[caligirl]

96. KRON was trying this too, there 9 pm news producaer is a Texas local

KRON channel 9 news in San F. did something like this too. Several of us wrote and called them on it just this weekend. Producer Curtis Sparrer and Chris Archer were very slanted to the Bush lies and talking points.

[caligirl]

98. my letter

AP editor,
Angela Brown shows error in journalistic integrity when the pro Bush camp in her August 20, 2005 story is referred to as "A patriotic camp" . As the wife of a retired Marine LT. COL. who served 22 years, with my sons and I right along side him, in the marines in leadership roles I feel that to be an afront to the basic right of every citizen who questions the legitamcy of Bushs war. My husband, as well as my father, stood up for that right by serving in the active duty military. That patriotic duty of dissent is what our military ensures. Democratic freedom that allows you to print truth to power is the same freedom each American has. If you write stories exposing falsehoods in the CIA intelligence and Bush rationale for war are you too unpatriotic. Based on Angela's stry, anyone who says "God Bless our President" and supports his lies are the only patriotic Americans.

AP is looked to for unbiased stories in this day of paid for hackes in the press. Angela owes the antiwar patriotic citizens an apology, we won't be holding our breath though.

Sincerely,

[Rose Siding]

41. Done-

I included the msnbc link in my note-

RE: "Patriotic Camp Counters Peace Mom Protest", found at:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9029854/

How dare you characterize this pro-war camp as the "patriotic" one? Exactly what isn't patriotic about the one that's sprung up around not just one woman who loves her country, but several families who've lost children in its defense?

The use of language in this way is lazy and insulting. It is a betrayal of your responsibility to inform without bias.

-signed

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. My email..sent to both MSNBC and to AP

Subject How Dare You????

The pro-war contingency that you labeled as Patriotic are no more Patriotic than the people who are in Camp Casey. How dare you try to divide this into an issue of Patriotism. Dissent is Patriotic as those who dissent won't blindly accept the wrongs of a nation led horribly astray and instead tries to get it back on the course that our founding fathers had in mind for our great nation.

Shame, shame on you!

[kittenpants]

43. nice job on the email & calling their bias

Thanks for adding the email. I'll fire my letter off promptly!

[Quixote1818]

44. "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

My letter

You labeled the pro-war camp 'Patriotic' in one of your articles?
http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap08-20-190030.asp?t=apnew&vts=82020051958
This is highly offensive. Just because a group is pro-war does NOT make them any more 'Patriotic' than anti war groups. Most of the country is upset about how the President has handled the war, does that make most Americans un-Patriotic? You really need to change the title on that article and change the wording. Pro-War does not equal Patriotic any more than Anti-War and that is just a FACT! This is not Nazi Germany this is the United States of America where those who stand up against those in power are suposed to be honered. As Thomas Jefferson said: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

[oxbow]

45. I just used that TJ quote in my letter!

By this journalists logic, the 60% of Americans who disapprove of this war are unpatriotic? Please

[goclark]

47. The clip I saw was a bunch of thugs

riding in on motorbikes.

They looked like they were going to take on someone and threaten them.

I'm sure they were paid to do it.

[Quixote1818]

49. The "Patriotic Camp" members look right out of the movie Deliverance.

"You got a pretty mouth!":yoiks:

[PinkyisBlue]

105. A bunch of thugs

Wasn't one of them John Bolton?
This is the kind of thing he does well. His brand of "diplomacy" will not be appreciated in the UN.

[ohgorsh]

113. Think they got paid food stamps lol

Maybe the Swift boat wanted to much money to lie

[tomg]

48. Wrote to MSNBC and AP

The address at AP ( found this over at Kos) is [e-mail]

[Helga Scow Stern]

55. I wrote.

What a bunch of propagandistic claptrap.

[proud patriot]

56. Here's my rant errr letter I sent NBC

Hi ,

Were the Germans who opposed Hitler's invasions the patriots or were the Germans who wore
Brown Shirts and Gassed Jews patriots? From the looks of this article http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap08-20-190030.asp?t=apnew&vts=82020051958 The people of NBC (owned by weapons manufacturer GE) must believe the Nazi's were the
patriots . Sad Sad Sad for the good people of this Country to be led astray by those who profit from "patriotism" of pro
war protesters ...Do the people of NBC plan on calling Torture supporters patriots , how about The Constitution destroying
patriots ? Is that coming soon ? A patriot ran over a war dead memorial with a truck smashing old glory into the ground ?
Is that headline coming soon . Wait how about your future headline The pacifist Traitors who defend the Constituion
and gold star mothers who ask questions are being taken to GITMO for re education and patriots everywhere hold parties
to celebrate the New Freedom Camp in Cuba designated for Americans who question our great leader ?

Do people the NBC think Americans are stupid ? Ask yourself why is it that Fox News Rush limbaugh and Sean Hannity's
ratings have dropped by millions . The Answer is simple The American People Are Not Stupid , and one can be a patriot
if one opposes war .

[me b zola]

75. Wow! That was a great letter!!!!!

:applause:

[proud patriot]

119. Why thank you

:hug:

[Rose Siding]

57. ABC titled same article: "War Backers Set Up Camp Near Bush Ranch"

That's better, but the first paragraph is still biased, lazy and inaccurate

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1056043&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

[Donailin]

58. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR FLAG

here's my thread from yesterday:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4407338&mesg_id=4407338



The very first visual indication of "patriotism" is the flag and the republicans have stolen it and pitted us, the opposition party, against it.
Speak out against a republican politician that always wears that lapel pin flag and we are automatically portrayed as speaking out against the Flag and the country itself. THEY DID THIS ON PURPOSE. THEY WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES FOR A REASON.

That's why I think it's imperative that anyone who has the oppurtunity to be on camera in Crawford or DC or all points in between at vigils must wear that symbol as well. Americans respond to visuals, it's that kind of culture -- words can't hold a candle to the visuals that don't require much interpretation.

this is how we are portrayed



this is how they are portrayed

see the problem?? As much as I love black, we need to change this image.

[proud patriot]

62. Bingo , I completely agree

Been owning the flag so much so that one
guy at night so all that could be seen
were my flags and Ribbons on my car , he said
my car looked like a republicans car...then
I pointed out my anti-war anti-bush stickers ...LOL

I actually laughed when he questioned my
liberal leanings .... :D

[Generic Other]

59. MSNBC, CNN, FOX, NBC HELPED START THIS WAR FOR RATINGS

Patriotic? Hell no. All those cheerleaders should be broadcasting their propaganda from Abu Ghraib or Gitmo.

They LIED as much as Bush.

Where were the stories about the millions of protestors? The demonstrations in every major city all around the world?

Fascist mouthpieces have helped unleash a whirlwind of suffering for us all.

We have decided to BECOME the media ourselves!

Go find honest news coverage of Cindy's vigil here:

8/21 ALL DU Cindy threads DAY 15
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4413475

[truthpusher]

60. This is an AP Story...

link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-5224368,00.html

same story is at the Guardian

I don't really know how the AP works, but maybe this is just the writers editorializing as opposed to MSNBC as a whole?

[jasmeel]

63. My letter

I am writing to request the official definition that MSNBC uses for the word patriotic. A recent article linked below seems to suggest the blind support of the president is the only thing that is patriotic (e.g. Fort Qualls).
(http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap08-20-190030.asp?t=apnew&vts=82020051958)
As you know Camp Casey is not supporting the president on the war in Iraq. Many previous supporters of the president are also not supporting the president in his choice to go to war with Iraq. This article on Fort Qualls certainly suggests MSNBC has chosen to follow the president blindly rather that question the president (which is supposed to be the role of the press). So if you could let me know how you are currently defining partiotism that would help me better understand the article on Fort Qualls.

Thank You,

[truthpusher]

64. Fox is calling it (what it is) a "Pro-Bush Camp.".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166325,00.html

[RSchewe]

69. Calling them Pro-Bush or Pro-War is fine with me...

For every group there is an opposition group and in this case it is Pro-War and Anti-War, not Patriotic and Unpatriotic. That is just a false description or definition of the two sides.

[SOS]

65. The only silver lining with these awful cable stations

is in their unbelievably low ratings. No-one (almost) watches any of it:

MSNB SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY 0.3
MSNB HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS 0.3
MSNB IMUS IN THE MORNING 0.3
MSNB THE ABRAMS REPORT 0.3
MSNB THE SITUATION W/T CARLSON 0.2

July 2005 ratings. The 25-54 demographic is usually slightly less than half of total. Tucker, for example, only has 78,000 viewers in the 25-54 demographic. :)

[Virginian]

122. What are the ratings for Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann? n/t

[SOS]

125. Olbermann

also had a 0.3 for July 2005.
:-(

[ComerPerro]

66. Here's what I have sent

Greetings

I am writing about the Article "Patriotic Camp Springs Up To Counter Peace Mom's Anti-War Demonstration".

It is currently being posted on MSNBC's website, which I have linked here:

http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap08-20-190030.asp?t=apnew&vts=82020051958#body

First off, I can not believe that something like this passes for news these days. I am appalled that such blatant editorializing can even appear in a body of an article, let alone in the first word of the headline itself. By labeling this pro-war group as patriotic in the headline and repeatedly in the article, one of the first things a reader is compelled to notice is the absence of stirring words such as "patriotic" in the articles about Cindy Sheenan or Camp Casey. Are the war protesters any less patriotic than the war supporters? What defines patriotic, in the minds of Ms. Brown, MSNBC, and the AP?

It seems to me that by running a piece like this, you are only helping to serve the myth that liberals hate America, and that conservatives are somehow more patriotic than us. But let me tell you two things:

If patriotism is only measured by one's willingness to blindly follow your country's leader without question, right or wrong, then maybe being patriotic isn't such a great quality. Such loyalty is to the leader, and not to the country itself. And if patriotism is indeed measured by how much you support your President, then I have to tell you that some of these "Patriots" you speak of in this article were probably the worst type of traitors during the 1990s. Its interesting to me that people like Tom Delay and Bill Frist, who very vocally spoke out against President Clinton and the military actions undertaken by his administration during his presidency, can now be described as patriotic just because there is new leadership in the White House.

Please understand, I am not questioning the patriotism of the pro-war activists who have showed up to counter-protest. Some of them may in fact sincerely believe that they are doing what is best for the country. Some of them had children or family members who gave their lives to this cause, for this nation. And that is most certainly patriotic.

However, many people at Camp Casey have lost loved ones in this war as well. Why are they held to a different standard, simply because they have now begun to question this war and the motivations that keep it going?

I am not asking that you retract using the word "Patriotic" when describing the pro-war activists. I simply would like to see fair treatment in the media. It just seems to me that it is wrong to downplay Mrs. Sheenan's loss by not only refusing to portray her as a patriot because of her views, but then to contrast her coverage with an article describing her opponents as patriotic.

Please be more mindful of your words and the subtle messages they convey in the future.

Thank you for your time


Sincerely,

[Douglas Carpenter]

67. kick

kick

[Douglas Carpenter]

73. kick

keep it kicking

[Catchawave]

68. I write MSnBC daily.....

telling them when I love them alot, and hate them alot....especially to Ron Reagan and Keith Olbermann 's shows. Do I make a difference, I dunno? But I use RR and KO's personal e-addy's rather than viewer services, maybe that's my problem?

Yes, I still have a life, and my short and sweet messages, I hope, gives these fine broadcasters a warm fuzzy hug from a "normal" viewer, heh.

Oh yeah, I've told RR, I only watch Connected when Kool Aid drinking Monica Crowley isn't on. :scared:

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

[derby378]

71. Michelle DeFord hit it right on the head

We're asking for a meeting with the president, period. We don't want to debate with people who don't understand our point of view.

So "patriotic" means supporting the President right or wrong, eh? We have a word for those who put loyalty to a person above loyalty to their country. That word is treason.

[Geek_Girl]

72. Writing letters doesn't do any good

Turn the crap off! You'll feel better for it.

[Douglas Carpenter]

74. Actually--AP changed their headline after receiving several angry E-mails

It does help--If we don't fight back--they win

[rateyes]

77. Thank you for posting this...

I posted just below you before reading it...thanks.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

109. MSNBC has allowed that horrible headline to stand. n/t

[rateyes]

76. Wellstone Dem....

you're thoughts were right on target. So, I copied and pasted them into an e-mail and sent them to the address you posted as a link, and then followed up with:

It read:

Recently you received an e-mail with the following text:

(Your text)

My reply: Yeah, what she said!

Thanks.

[RSchewe]

79. This must be the same article, straight from AP...

The title looks to have been changed, unless MSNBC gave the AP article a different title, but the content still refers to the pro-war demonstrators as patriotic. It is amazing how this kind of language continues to be used. I guess Frank Luntz is working at the AP now.

War Backers Set Up Camp Near Bush Ranch

By ANGELA K. BROWN
Associated Press Writer

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) -- A patriotic camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother two weeks ago near President Bush's ranch.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEACE_MOM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-08-21-12-49-32

So I guess since people who support the war are patriotic, this would lead to the logical conclusion that people that are against the war are unpatriotic.

Wow.

[Kurovski]

80. "Patriotic" is a misnomer. They're "patridiotic." n/t

[Califooyah Operative]

81. that is amazingly crooked, I will definately be writing them. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

82. kick

kick

[NJCher]

84. Here's a letter to adapt

For people who have time to adapt it. I only sent this to one paper (The Tampa Tribune) but the letter can be changed around and used for AP and some of the other outlets that printed this headline:



I object to the use of the word "patriotic" to describe the camp set up across from Camp Casey ("Patriotic Camp Springs Up to Counter Peace Mom's Anti-War Demonstration Near President's Ranch," August 20).

The choice of words shows you do not understand the principles of democracy. A democracy is founded on dissent and it encourages it. Dissent is part of conflict and resolved conflict makes a country stronger.

By pronouncing supporters of the president "patriotic," you have ignored those who are performing a very important function of democracy.



I have to go to work now so can't do anymore on it.


Cher

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

86. MSNBC doesn't ...

...even bother to make any pretense at fair and impartial reporting.

"Patriotic camp springs up to counter peace mom's anti-war demonstration near president's ranch."

The clear and not so subtle implication being, of course, that Camp Casey is unpatriotic. Shameless propaganda. MSNBC has Zero Credibility.

Here's a better line:

"Real journalism springs up at alternative news outlets such as Raw Story to counter corporate owned MSNBC's pro-Bush propaganda."

Maybe someone would like to write the story and submit it to MSNBC.
I have an idea they may choose not to run it though.

[Wickerman]

87. How annoying and biased, Liberal media my ass

Regarding this story:

Patriotic Camp Springs Up to Counter Peace Mom's Anti-War Demonstration Near President's Ranch

By Angela K. Brown Associated Press Writer
Published: Aug 20, 2005

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - A patriotic camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother two weeks ago near President Bush's ranch.

Please remind Ms. Brown, your Headline writer and your editors that the AP is news information source, not an editorial service.

Cindy Sheehan and supporters are as patriotic as any "competing" camp and should be treated as such by a supposedly unbiased media service as the AP.

I request your service have its staff examine their own personal biases, identify them and then, in the long-standing tradition of ethical journalism, leave them at the door when they come to work.

Thank you,

xxx

[Liberty Belle]

89. My letter to AP (Media Watch Chair, San Diego For Democracy)

I chair the media watch task force at San Diego for Democracy, which represents approximately 1,700 Democracy for America members locally.

In your recent articles on pro-war protesters who have shown up to camp out in Crawford, Texas, you consistently refer to these people as "patriotic." Yet in all the stories you've written about the anti-war protesters who seek to protect young men and women like my son from being slaughtered in a senseless war, you have never used the term "patriotic."

What on earth is "patriotic" about supporting a war that was based on lies (as the CNN special last night showed)? Or supporting a war that has led to the deaths of 1,800 Americans and an estimated 100,000 Iraqis? This war has fueled anti-American sentiments, placed our allies at risk (as the terrorist attacks in Britain so sadly illustrate), and devastated a nation. Iraq is contaminated by depleted uranium. It's cities are decimated. Electricity, water and medical care remain in short supply. Under the new constitution, women have lost their rights. What good is "democracy" to half of the population? The country still stands on the brink of civil war. Meanwhile, oil prices in America are at all time highs.

There has been NO benefit from this preemptive war, but many negatives. I urge you to apply the "patriotic" label where it belongs.
A true patriot is someone who isn't afraid to speak out against his or her government when it is wrong. Our founding fathers would be proud of Cindy Sheehan.

[Radio_Lady]

116. Great letter, Liberty Belle -- thanks for sharing it... n/t

[Liberty Belle]

118. You're welcome, radio lady!

Do you have a radio show? When and where?

[Radio_Lady]

123. Hi again. See the following blurb regarding our audio programming.

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"Golden Hours" is also streamed on the Internet. To hear sample programming on the Internet, go to:

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[Generic Other]

90. Is Rightwing Radio KLIF's Ankarlo the bubba behind Ft. Quall?

link:
Is Rightwing Radio KLIF's Ankarlo the bubba behind Ft. Quall?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4419280&mesg_id=4419280

[myrna minx]

91. Is Angela K. Brown in the White House payroll.

I mean so many others have been, why not her too? :shrug:

[Coastie for Truth]

92. I am a patriot -- and I think the MSNBC Story is UnAmerican

I sympathisize with the Qualls family.

But Cindi is the patriot.

[DanCa]

93. My letter to ap

To Whom it may concern,
I recently read the story of a pro war camp formed to counter Cindy Sheehan. I was appalled to find that the term "patriotic" was used to label the pro war side and undermine and or slight the peace side. In fact I dont understand how a nation that's "built on christianity" looks down on people who love peace.
Thomas Jefferson once wrote the highest form of patriotism is the right to dissent. Jesus Christ the prince of peace is who once said thou shall not kill, and is now labeled as some sort of god of war riches madness and embryos.
When did the press stop reporting reporting news, and start writting it so that it would appease the president? Inconclusion I just want to say that Freedom of the press doesn't give the press the right to slander and fabricate the news.
Sincerly yours

[W2Hague]

94. Retarded Chimp on Bike

Patriotic? I don't think so.
Moronic? Absolutely.

I wonder how many of those fools protesting FOR the war have been shot at ....In someone else's country I mean. This kinda shit makes me angry, not sad. We are all suffering because of the degree of COLLECTIVE Stupidity Murka has amassed.... just in the last five years.

So, I created a little Flash Salute this weekend for our Fearless Leader. I like to call it.... "Retarded Chimp On Bike". Take a look. It'll make y'all smile.

http://www.bruindesign.com


Peace
D.L. Bruin

[gridbug]

95. I feel like screaming.

I really don't know how much more of this I can take. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!? How can so many of them exist in that dark little bubble? Seriously, I really do feel like the end is near, and not in the Revelations sense. Maybe it WILL take a revolution to make the changes that the country so desperately need.

[OrlandoGator]

97. Further blurring the line between "patriotic" and "nationalistic"...

I wish they'd take the time to learn the subtle difference.

[upsidedownaussie]

99. sent

I'm to tired this morning to think of anything witty, so I kept it short and sweet in my letter to the AP:



"Patriotic Camp Springs Up to Counter Peace Mom's Anti-War Demonstration Near President's Ranch"

Its headlines like this that have made the AP such a joke over the last several years.
Perhaps you might want to take a few hints from these guys?
http://today.reuters.com/news/default.aspx


UDA

[Democrat 4 Ever]

100. My letter to the AP

Dear Sirs -

I must take issue with your biased reporting in the "Patriotic Camp Springs Up to Counter Peace Mom's Anti-War Demonstration Near President's Ranch" By Angela K. Brown, Published: Aug 20, 2005.

Brown deciding to infer "Patriotic Camp" for pro-Bush supporters versus "Anti-War Demonstration Camp" as un-patriotic is disingenuous and unworthy of your mission to report factual events to your readers. Just because a group disagrees with an administration's policies does not automatically denote they are un-patriotic. Dissent is the purest form of democracy and patriotism. Your allowing a writer's personal opinion to creep into an article of your organization's stature is unforgivable. I do not take lightly the suggestion that I am un-patriotic because I question this administration's march to an ill-advised war. If Brown seeks to impart her personal views into her writings maybe she should consider resigning her position with your company and seek a position as a staff writer for this administration or the GOP. They do not require fair and unbiased reporting - in fact they actively discourage it and Brown would feel quite accepted spewing their screeds on "patriotism."

Finally, many people have defined dissent and patriotism much better than I ever could. For your and Brown's reading pleasure....

"May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." Dwight D. Eisenhower

"No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots." Barbara Ehrenreich

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly as necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." Theodore Roosevelt

You have called into question many of your readers' patriotism, you owe each and every one of them an apology.

Sincerely,

[Coexist]

101. My short letter - I'm at work

In re: "Patriotic Camp Springs Up to Counter Peace Mom's Anti-War Demonstration Near President's Ranch
By Angela K. Brown Associated Press Writer
Published: Aug 20, 2005"


The title of this article is a slap in the face to mothers of fallen soldiers who oppose this war, Veterans for Peace, and the millions of patriotic Americans who are sick and tired of soldier's lives and billions of our tax dollars being flushed down the toilet in Iraq.

It is shameful that the above article was released. I hope your conscience inspires you to correct your foolish and irresponsible error.

Sincerely,

[sui generis]

102. beautiful! thank you

[TechBear_Seattle]

103. But mind you: the MSM is a tool of the librul left

Just ask Rush or those honest folks at Faux News. :rofl:

[GlenP]

106. Ditto

As Donailin pointed out, and I've made mention to previously, it is imperative that we (as a movement opposed to the terrible agenda of the right wing), take back the symbols of patriotism.

Not only is it TRUE that we are patriotic and love our country (although not necessarily everything that is done in its name), BUT the fact of the matter is, is that this stuff is Pavlovian.

When the average American sees Red, White, and Blue, or the American flag, they get warm and fuzzies. Automatically, the side WITH the red, white, and blue, become the FRIENDS. The opposition is thus, the ENEMY. It supersedes any message, and the message that does come attached to the red, white, and blue, is the PATRIOTIC message, the GOOD message, the RIGHT message.

Granted, it was far more natural for the right to hijack the "patriotic American" symbols of our nation. It very readily goes along with UBER-nationalism, or the sense that there is absolutely nothing that our nation could ever do that is wrong, that we are automatically better in every way than any other nation, that military might and use of force is the way to go, and that working with the international community for the greater good of the world (at the potential curbing of American excess) is patently bad.

When, IN FACT, all the things which have made America great, and (previously) one of the most beloved nations in the world, are the very OPPOSITE of what the uber-nationalistic right promote.

Because it is the LEFTs ideals which make America the great nation that it is (and continue to mold it into a great nation), WE own the flag and other symbols of our nation. Symbols which stand for Freedom, Liberty, Justice, Opportunity, Generosity, Openness, Progress, and Good people . We should leave the right with their TRUE symbols of their ideals; war, aggression, oppression, hate, greed, and fear. They can have the missiles, the shackles, the black belching smokestacks, the treeless barren landscapes, and the mushroom clouds.

Yes, our country has a terribly checkered past, and continues to do bad things at home and abroad, but that doesn't mean we can't utilize the symbols of our nation to indicate the ongoing internal effort to make our nation better. The BEST parents who love their children, don't ignore and excuse their child's bad behavior. They are aware and recognize it, and take steps to change such behavior. Such parents are the MOST loving and caring parents, and THEY are the ones most likely to liberally display images of their children.

So why aren't WE the most likely to liberally display the American flag, and other patriotic symbols?

[PinkyisBlue]

107. Patriotic Camp

I sent my e-mails. My letter (best to keep concise):

Is this a news item or an editorial? If it is a news story, the language used should be factual and unbiased. to call a pro-war camp "patriotic" is subjective and depends on how one feels about the war. Unless the anti-war camp is also labeled "patriotic", a personal judgment is made that better belongs in opinion pieces than in news writing.

[Dave Reynolds]

108. I have contacted the AP

and politely voiced my displeasure with their "publishing stories more suitable for corporate media news/entertainment".

[CitySky]

110. my letter; just a touch o' sarcasm?

I found it interesting that in a story circulated widely today, only the pro-war group of protestors in Crawford was described by the AP as "patriotic." I am trying to figure out how the Associated Press handbook describes "patriotic." Does one have to be in favor of war to be patriotic? Any war, just or unjust? The more bloodshed, the better? Or is the litmus test of "patriotism" unquestioning support of every policy pursued by the current occupant of the White House, whoever that may be?

In a disctatorship, such definitions of patriotism might be satisfactory. But in order for a nation to work as a democracy, public discourse is required. True patriots are the ones courageous enough to question whether the nation is living up to its ideals. Perhaps you need to revise your handbook.

Sincerely,

[leveymg]

111. Here's some info on AP: write the Chairman, President

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[phineas76]

112. Here's a Note I Just Sent to the Associated Press

The Associated Press has reported that a "patriotic"
camp has been set up to protest the "anti-war"
position of Cindy Sheehan's Camp Casey.  By your choice of
words you are misrepresenting not only the goals of Ms.
Sheehan and her followers, but the actions of true patriots
throughout U.S. history.  It is the Sheehan people who are the
patriots, for they are speaking out for the freedoms upon
which our great country is founded.  They are seeking the
truth from powerful people who would deny U.S. citizens
freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.  While the counter
demonstrators have every right to express their position, it
is very wrong of you to call them "patriots."   The
Associated Press should be more careful with its choice of
words, particularly when it involves matters of life and
death.

[Adams Wulff]

115. My e-mail to AP, MSNBC

To Whom it May Concern,
It is important, that your editors and writers understand the difference between "patriotism" and "jingoism".

Patriotic Camp Springs Up to Counter Peace Mom's Anti-War Demonstration Near President's Ranch
By Angela K. Brown Associated Press Writer
Published: Aug 20, 2005

A patriotic camp with a "God Bless Our President!" banner sprung up downtown Saturday, countering the anti-war demonstration started by a fallen soldier's mother two weeks ago near President Bush's ranch. (snip)

Links:
http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap08-20-190030.asp?...
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBFH5JNMCE.html

"Self described patriotic camp" would have been a better, if not by much, choice.

The word 'patriot' was born in this country by individuals, united by a common goal, to fight the status quo. Through their sacrifice, an idealistic nation was born. Based on the fundamental rights granted by our creator, this nation reveres the notion dissent to the majority.
Cindy Sheehan stood up, and wants her dissent heard, and her questions answered. She stands with many Americans and challenges the status quo.
I think you labeled the wrong camp as 'patriotic'

I should not have to tell you this.

Sincerely,

David Adams

[patrioticliberal]

117. Fuckers fuckers fuckers

[Arlington]

120. you may not want to hear it, but...

1. AP is a co-op. So nobody "owns" it.

2. Angela K. Brown is a wire reporter. She seems generally to do a pretty good job. Take a look at this article on the Texas penal system:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Bush-Prison-Punitive.htm

3. I have taken journalism 101 -- Plus dozens of other J-courses all the way through graduate school. So I can look at this and tell you with a certain amount of confidence that this is like a medical mistake -- no surgeon will ever tell you about the patient he killed, but every doc has done it.

4. "Patriotic" was a real rookie kind of mistake, one that the reporter should not have made, if she did. It could easily have been the editor -- whoever wrote the headline could have tinkered with her lede. I once had an idiot editor who changed "war toys" in my copy to "weapons," when I really was talking about honest-to-god war toys. And it went to press like that. Angela K. Brown may be far more pissed than you all are.

So, in my own note to AP, I simply told them it was a dumb thing to do -- and that in these politicized times, they need to more careful if they are going to continue to be regarded as a bona fide news source.

If I were to rate myself on the political scale, I am probably closest to being a socialist. But I have spent more than 20 years in journalism. To me, to say anything else to AP would have made me sound like the kind of knee-jerk assholes that I most object to.

[Virginian]

121. I am not in the Activist Corps, but here is my email to AP

Since when is War patriotic and Peace not patriotic.
I found it very offensive that your writer Angela Brown would slant the news so blatantly. Is she another one of those writers on the Bush payroll?

Your so-called patriots would never have gone to Crawford to demonstrate in favor of the war. That isn't their real purpose now, they are only there to attempt to intimidate the real patriots.
A patriot would uphold the constitution, these disruptors are against it applying equally to people with whom they disagree.

[kristndem]

124. My Letter....

Why is it that in your coverage of the protests in Crawford TX, the only time your publication uses the language of patriotism, it is to describe the pro-war, pro Bush counter protests?

It makes one wonder if AP knows the difference between patriotism and nationalism.

It is a ripe old American tradition to question authority and debate issues of national interest.
I believe that is the definition of, hmmmmmmm, Patriotism!

We don't, and should not just follow the leader, with little or no debate. That would be, hmmmmmmm, Nationalism. Don't ya think?

[Trevelyan]

126. Sent two emails with three letters to AP - Thank you for the Alert

Why did you wait to use the word Patriotic to describe a pro-war, pro-Bush group~~

Cindy Sheehan and the people who support her are showing the highest patriotism. If this war is worthwhile why aren't Jenna and Barbara in it or other children of Congress and the Oligarchy?

Why do OUR TROOPS STILL!!!! NOT HAVE ARMOR ISSUED TO THEM AND ARMORED HUMVEES WHEN HALLIBURTON BROWN AND ROOT HAS BEEN AWARDED HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS???

How is this not giving our soldiers even the ammunition or sanitary food PATRIOTIC?? How is welshing on giving our troops even the minimal 2 years of medical benefits they were promised PATRIOTIC????

XXXX
~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Get_them_out_of_that_hell/yguid=187313086

~~~Description

"Every day they bring to us from Iraq our son's bodies in a war with no meaning and with only one target which is the satisfaction of Mr. Bush.

Mr. Bush, who pushes our country to a new Vietnam he said that the reason of that war is to get out Saddam from Iraq but it seems
that oil was the target.

And what is the price, it is the blood of our son's which are killed daily on hands of Iraqi resistance, it is our country resources which decrease day by day , but unfortunately bush administration controls the media.

{AND THE AP'S SHAMEFUL DUBBING THE WAR MONGERS WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR SOLDIERS WELFARE OR FAMILIES PATRIOTIC PROVES THE CORPORATE CONTROL OF THE MEDIA ONCE AGAIN}

In our country today the news of our defeat is faked into victory & only the filled half of the glass is shown. Please participate to stop the misleading and share us to stop blood and money bleeding.

And please if you have an answer to this question please do "for whom thousands of our son's die in a war only for Mr. Bush satisfaction?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am so disgusted by the treatment of Gold Star mother Cindy Sheehan by the UNPATRIOTIC Bush Regime and the Corporate Controlled Media. Making the mother of a soldier and the other Gold Star families, Veterans for Peace and other individuals citizens asking for answers about this illegal war TO WALK IN A DITCH WITH FIRE ANTS AND DIFFICULT FOOTING on a PUBLIC ROAD PAID FOR WITH TAX PAYER MONEY and rarely used public road while the sheriffs and the news media walked on the paved road is just the beginning of the insulting way the Cindy Sheehan and other parents, relatives and friends of the soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice are being treated.

This image though not photographed will stay in my mind and the minds of other Americans including Veterans of the illegal Iraq, Vietnam and Panama wars brought to grieving Americans and the world by the Bush Crime Family.

Cindy Sheehan wants answers on the Downing Street Minutes and other proof that her son and the children of other Americans lives were treated, as quoted by Henry Kissenger in Bob Woodward's book "Soldiers are just dumb mules to be used in the service of the state." not only is this statement an outrage against Humanity but the way Bush treats the US soldiers, cutting their benefits and not
supplying basic equipment and I believe Kissenger has been indicted for quite a while by an International War Crimes court for crimes he and Bush, Senior committed against the people of Vietnam and South and Central America.

THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL PATRIOTIC??!!

US soldiers have been sent to die for lies for a long time without any or enough detailed coverage by the Mainstream Media.

Cindy has a lot of questions and so do the American people. Mr. Bush needs to answer them. Please write articles with journalistic integrity about Ms. Sheehan's questions which also represent the question of over 60% of the American people who now believe that Bush's Iraq war was a mistake based on evidence like the Downing Street Memos.

PLEASE ALSO REPORT ON THE DESECRATION OF THE WAR MEMORIAL CROSSES AT CAMP CASEY!!!

Sincerely,

XXXX
:mad: :wtf: :kick: :banghead: :grr:

~~~~~~~~~~

Please Interview Cindy in Crawford. It is vital to saving the lives of American~soldiers and the Iraqi people including children. The Downing Street Minutes and Memos prove the treasonous lies that Bush told the Congress and the American people and soldiers to begin the Iraqi war, occupation including torture, mass arrests and deliberate, GENOCIDAL murder including children and to stop this suicidal PNAC plan of world dominion which will lead to World War III if the Bush
Regime attacks Iran or Syria or North Korea as planned and if the US does not pull out of Iraq and let an International Peacekeeping force take over.

Cindy can articulate the justifiable fears and anger of the American people at this never-elected Resident in our White House and the insane plans by Cheney to attack Iran and the depleting of our treasury for Haliburton non-bid contracts and the work paid for and not done by Haliburton Brown and Root in rebuilding the infrastructure of Iraq after we blew it to hell, and the danger to the children, the elderly and the ill of sewage in the water and the lack of electricity in 130 degree heat and the anger directed towards our soldiers because of it must also be reported on in-depth.

A Cindy-Watch like the Lone Star's Iconoclast's coverage would be appropriate considering the interest in Cindy and her message and the way a Gold Star mother is being treated by the Bush Regime.

The way Cindy and her supporters have been treated by the Bush Regime and the danger to her by the shotgun blast during a prayer vigal and the truck that desecrated the war memorial Crosses, Stars of David and the Crescents must continue to be reported.

Sincerely,

XXXX

Please keep sending Cindy and her supporters snail mail postcards and letters. Thank you.

Cindy Sheehan
c/o Crawford Peace House
9142 5th Street
Crawford, TX 76638-3037

[xxqqqzme]

128. that is the AP headline

sent an email in protest yesterday.