Being pissed at Prince Lance doesn't mean that I don't care about cancer

[Thtwudbeme]

victims.

I despise Bush too...but, not the country---this is the same type of argument that the pro-PL people are using to justify this friendship.

The Lance Armstrong fights on this board are ridiculous---"You OBVIOUSLY don't care about cancer" crap is getting on my last nerve.

The man went riding with a war criminal---I have no respect for a man who considers a war criminal his buddy. None. If you do, jolly good...but don't tell me that I don't care about cancer victims.

Stephanie

[Hugin]

1. Good point.

I mean... Printing up "Tour De Crawford" tee-shirts had to
take time.

Couldn't the money from that stupidity have better been spent
on Cancer Research?

and

Couldn't the time wasted making them have been better spent
with Cindy?

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. "Tour De Crawford" t-shirts?

Oh No! Really? :puke: Did they really do that?

[Hugin]

20. Yuppers...

Describing the "Red, White, Blue and Bush" tee shirts took up
about three paragraphs over at AOL news.

It's what I was confronted with as I logged on this morning.

I was so proud! :sarcasm:

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050820150509990002&ncid=NWS00010000000001

You might want to vote on their poll... Armstrong might get a little
hint as to people's general feelings about his participation in
such a blatant political move.

60% NO, DON'T DO IT LANCE!
30% Bush is our God.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. Thanks for the link, I'm on my way to vote.

Unbelievable! :wow:

[tx_dem41]

18. I'm not sure. Do you have insight into the costs of the t-shirts...

vs. the revenue that Lance's group expects next week due to it being on the front page of every paper in the country?

[Hugin]

22. Every little bit helps...

Or that's what I keep hearing in every post everywhere. Over on
the CANCER RESEARCH FORUMS... On medical sites... Who've had their
funding CUT by BUSH.

How many people are ever going to *see* those stupid tee-shirts?

Hey, $600 - $700 can go a long way toward making some child in
a cancer ward somewhere comfortable.

[tx_dem41]

25. You have to spend a little....to make a lot.

And 600-700 dollars takes care of one child in a cancer ward for less than a day.

[Lars39]

30. Got a link for that statement?

[merh]

33. But it still helps, even for less than a day. n/t

[Hugin]

34. I hope you realize I said *nothing* about Lance in my O.P.

What your are saying could be construed as supporting
Bush.

I was saying... Bush should have donated the teeshirt money
to Cancer Research and spent time with Cindy.

I said nothing about whether or not Lance should have visited.

[Horse with no Name]

56. Yeah but sure can buy some other stuff

TV's, VCR's, gameboys etc.
When I worked at Childrens in Dallas, Blockbuster furnished movies to the kids at no charge.
Also those red wagons they pull the kids in--I used to purchase 10 a year. Cost me about $1500.
Outside of medical costs, therapy, etc., there are alot of ways $700 can make a difference in a child's life that is in the hospital.

[zanne]

48. Never put anyone up on a pedestal.

Because when they fall, so do you. Just some friendly advice.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. I think what bothers me most about Lance

is that he's thinking of running for political office. I've heard he's a Democrat, a man against the war, but he's there with the President, getting that lovely photo he can use in campaign ads. Of course, if he runs on the GOP ticket, then I won't be surprised. But if he's going to run as one of those "appease the right" Democrats that have brought down the party, we don't need him.

[Thtwudbeme]

3. I would be ashamed to damned death to be seen with Bush

Rich or not, cancer or not...it's kinda like having a beer with Voldemort.

But, the argument these pro-Lance people use....."This means you don't care about a dreadful disease" types can go jump in a damned lake.

[theHandpuppet]

6. My partner is a cancer survivor

And we both think what Lance did SUCKED.

Do you think his meeting with Bush made that idiot care about cancer research? Hell, no -- it only provided a war criminal with a photo op.

[tx_dem41]

14. Why do you think the point of the meeting was Bush caring about..

cancer research. You need to work in PR. This meeting was about getting Lance's group's cause on the front page of every Sunday morning paper. And, as the son of two cancer non-survivors, there ain't one damned thing wrong with that.

[Thtwudbeme]

17. Getting Lance's cause on the front page.

And you don't think maybe...just maybe....a rich athelete couldn't have picked...oh...say...a....different fucking weekend?

That maybe his timing was just a BIT off????

[tx_dem41]

21. You would be bitching about Lance doing this if there was no Camp Casey...

DUers do it all the time. In fact, in a way, you are using Camp Casey to further your cause. Do you feel shame?

Oh and one other thing, what weekend would you have picked for Lance's group to do the photo-op at Crawford. Hasn't Camp Casey been there every week of Bush's vacation?

[Thtwudbeme]

26. How do you know this? Do you even know my gender/state/name, ect?

"You would be bitching about Lance doing this if there was no Camp Casey..."

Why do you continue to make invalid asssumptions?

You know what? I probably wouldn't have given a rat's ass about what Bush was doing, or who he was entertaining on his "ranch," if it weren't for the WAR.

Now, think about this...how many people develop dreadful diseases from chemicals used in warfare? Do we need billions in research to know this? How could we stop it immediately?

THINK about what you are saying here. It quite frankly appears that you are the one who can't think about ending dreadful diseases...not me.

[Name removed]

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[Thtwudbeme]

32. precisely how am I incapable of doing two things at once?

your arguments are really starting to fall apart.

what assumption have I made about you that you feel is incorrect?

[tx_dem41]

36. "It quite frankly appears that you are the one who can't think about ....

...ending dreadful diseases...not me."

C'mon, you wrote it like 10 minutes ago. Sheesh. :eyes:

[Thtwudbeme]

40. OK....let's go slow here.....

I wrote "it appears...." IE: "it appears" is a personal statement of my beliefs that may or may not be the case, not an assumption. Now if I had written, "You are unable," then you would have a point.

Do you see the difference?

This stuff is seriously bugging you, isn't it.

[tx_dem41]

42. You don't disappoint. I knew you were going to play the semantics

card. Semantics is dishonest little exercise you learn at university, to hide your thoughts behind. I learned it there too. When you get out in the real world and you try to do that, people quickly call bullshit on you for doing it.

[Thtwudbeme]

46. I beg your pardon, dear. Sometimes semantics are important when the

person you are corresponding with don't seem to understand the intent of the words.

I am not playing any games here.

My original post was intended to give you this idea about how I feel: "Just because I am pissed off at Lance Armstrong, I still have the capacity to care about cancer research and victims."

From that, it seems to me (see how semantics are important? I am not making assumptions--"it SEEMS TO ME") that you have inferred that I am not capable of caring about cancer research.

Now, how did we get to this point?

[tx_dem41]

50. I have never stated you are incapable of caring about cancer research.

Never have.

Now, how did we get to this point? My excuse, is that I slept poorly and I haven't had coffee yet. So, I apologize for being positively unbearable. :)

[merh]

38. Lance didn't need to ride his bike with the weed to be famous

or to get a photo op - he has won 7 of those silly bike races and has fans all over the world. Whereas the weed has enemies all over the world. From a PR stand point what Lance did sucked internationally and at home.

Mighty stupid PR move.

[theHandpuppet]

41. If that were true, he could have accomplished the same goal...

... by making a very public appearance at Camp Casey and leading an anti-war biking tour past the Crawford Ranch. The media would have been all over it -- perhaps even MORE than some preidctable photo op with Bush.

Sorry, I don't buy your argument.

[BlueStatesForever]

54. Lance's cause isn't on the front page of newspapers

Tour de Crawford IS, though.

This hasn't helped Lance's cause, only Bush's.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

57. But did it?

All I've read about is Bush cycling with the 7 time winner of the Tour de France. NOTHING about Lance being a cancer survivor. There was no press conference. No press release, except for the photo. If Lance went there to publicize his cause, I think he was had.

[SouthernDem2004]

4. Yea, your either with us on every issue of against us.

Heck, he should have taken part in every protest. Forget trying to forward cancer research. We are only capable of having one issue at a time. Sure, cancer research would benefit everyone but who cares as long as he does not support all of our causes!

Hmmm, I do not remember... Who said your either with us or your against us. Hmmmm

[Thtwudbeme]

5. Spare the hell out of me, OK?

Your argument that I am uncaring about certain issues is completely unfounded and ridiculous.

DU lost a great poster to cancer last year...did you know that? One of my personal favorites.

If the fate of cancer research rests on being friends with a war criminal, then we are in big assed trouble, are we not?

[SouthernDem2004]

7. You posted a msg on a public forum. You wanted responses and

attention. You should have stated you did not want responses from people that did not agree with you.

Never once said you are uncaring. We lost someone this year on DU to cancer. I lost an aunt this year to cancer. My family has a history of cancer. I will accept support from Lance or anyone else on cancer research. We can not sit around and wait until a Democrat is back in office.

[Thtwudbeme]

9. Ummmm precisely who is for sitting around waiting until Dems are back in

office?

I also wasn't directing this post precisely in your direction---there have been many posts on DU that read "you don't care about cancer research...you can only concentrate on the war."

Screw that.

You think a couple of hours on a mountain bike helped any of your relatives or friends with cancer?

Dream on; Bush doesn't give a fuck, and never has. btw...one would THINK after losing a sister in childhood to cancer (I believe, I MIGHT be wrong here) he might not have to go mountain biking with Lance to cough up some money.

[Mend]

12. I hope your family has good health insurance

because all the "cures" for cancers are going to be expensive. If you can't pay for them, and cancer treatment can easily cost $500,000 per case, what good is it? I refer you to the heartbreak in Africa where the governments won't pay for AIDS treatment. Lance would be better off talking about how lucky he was he had coverage from his sponsor who threatened the insurance company, how much his first-rate treatment cost, and how many Americans have to fight for every single treatment....do you really think bushit cares about that? So why the bike ride?

[SouthernDem2004]

53. He had a chance to speak to the POTUS about an important issue.

The same arguments used here could be used against Cindy. Why should she talk to him??? Do you think he cares? Point is, it certainly could not hurt.

[tx_dem41]

15. Please.....learn how PR works before....

you repeat the same silly statement again.

[Thtwudbeme]

19. Maybe you should learn more about PR

it seemed his bike stunt pissed more people off than just one person (me) on the internet, eh?

[tx_dem41]

23. Yep...the world revolves around DU.

NOT. Step outside of it once in awhile, and get a fresh perspective.

[Thtwudbeme]

27. Ummm, I attend a major state university, work part time in a public job

and read more than DU.

Helloooo

This is going to backlash against Lance's foundation-

[tx_dem41]

31. Psssttt.....No it isn't. n/t

[Thtwudbeme]

37. aha! and you know this how?

Have you read any other online polls about this stunt?

[tx_dem41]

43. "ONLINE" polls?!?!?

Weren't you just accusing me of not knowing anything about PR?!?

ONLINE polls!?!?!

:rofl:

[Thtwudbeme]

47. OK, semantics again. What else did I mention besides online polls?

come on, read carefully.

[Lars39]

45. We're supposed to take his word for it.

[Thtwudbeme]

49. Sadly, I think this move is going to have a very gradual backlash

against Lance Armstrong's reputation.

I will tell you this about myself...it's completely acedotal evidence...but, I have NEVER, not once, had an original thought. Ever. Honestly, I realize that sounds harsh...but, think about it...how many people truly have?

If I was immediately offended by the idea of this little PR stunt...how many others were?

[Lars39]

52. Plenty.

Wait till the little movie/commercial comes out about the "event"...it won't go over very well at all.

[BlueStatesForever]

55. Not a single word about cancer research

in the articles about "Tour de Crawford". The only mention they made is of one Discovery Channel Special. And BTW: Discovery Channel isn't a sponsor of Lance's foundation either.

Sorry, this wasn't about cancer research. This was about PR, maybe for Lance's Republican campaign.

And BTW: It's not about "either wid us or against us". It's about fraternizing with Satan.

[jonnyblitz]

8. I agree. knowing Bush, he will cut the cancer research funds

even more. He was just looking for some of Armstrongs popularity to rub off due to his sagging poll numbers. I don't think much about this one way or the other but I find the people getting all indignant over crticism of Armstrong to be a bit self righteous. Apparently sports heroes are above criticism.

[Thtwudbeme]

11. Apparently they are

nt

[UTUSN]

13. I'm with You

Once I got smacked down for saying something negative about John WALSH: "His child was MURDERED...He has contributed HUGELY to the cause of child victims..." Uh, yes, and he brags about being pals with Jeb Crow Shrub and about how he is "different" from CLINTON because he apologized for HIS philandering and got COUNSELING.

And there's Don sL-IMUS, who supposedly does much good physically and emotionally harassing kids with cancer and bragging about it. The rest of the time, as if it's different, he spews his vile mouth.

And HITLER loved dogs and LIMBOsevic loves Xmas. But to continue into taboo waters here, I have misgivings when we go the other way and ABSOLUTELY DEIFY somebody who is taking a stance we LIKE. We did it with Michael MOORE and I participated in that to a degree and we're doing it now with Cindy SHEEHAN. We can support without being downright blindly idolatrous. Shrub's monolithic, black & whiteness is what got us where we are to begin with.

Now, if the counter argument is that ARMSTRONG is being pragmatic and OPPORTUNISTIC for the sake of his cause, well, he could do that without being so blatantly insensitive about getting HIS VISIT in the very face of SHEEHAN *not* getting hers. Or, he might have stopped by to pay respects to SHEEHAN on the way in or the way out.

[jonnyblitz]

16. excellent post.

you bring up good points to ponder. :thumbsup:

[UTUSN]

35. Why, Thank You. I Am So ERRATIC in My Posting, Though

There are mornings when I shudder to peek at what I posted the night before.

[chimpymustgo]

28. Biking with Hitler: earn your PR points HERE! Sorry Lance - sick sh*t.

it's just wrong. And you ain't gonna squeeze any funding away from Bushler's pet project: the invasion and occupation.

Yuck. Just distasteful.

[madrchsod]

24. lance is an asshole

he takes far to much credit for everything he has done. he`s a self promoter,it`s not the "cause" it`s all about him. look behind the facade and read between the lines

[Coventina]

51. I really don't respect the guy either.

He sacrificed his marriage on the alter of winning another "Tour".

He had promised his wife he would retire, and then welched on that promise.

Not very admirable, IMHO.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. Birds of a feather...

Screw him and the celebrity bike he rode in on.