Armed Freeper uses gun to intimidate loud restaurant patrons!

[Modem Butterfly]

I grew up with guns and I own guns as an adult. Many gun owners are responsible people, but some, like this guy, mistake a firearm for a prosthetic penis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1467641/posts

"Never, ever leave home without it." No, not your American Express card, your sidearm.

This morning, I woke up about 4:15 and was hungry, so I decided to drive to the local 24-hour beanery. The only other customers were a table of 10, intoxicated 20-somethings making alot of noise.

There were 7 muscular young men and three loud-mouthed young women. After listening to their raucous laughter for 10 minutes, I politely asked the waitress to ask them to hold down the noise. All I wanted to do was eat my breakfast in relative peace.

Her request for quiet lasted about 45 seconds, then the noise and laughter resumed. At that point, I decided to do something.

Bear in mind that I am not an imposing figure. I'm 5'9", mid 50's, and slim. I walked over to the table, and walked completely around it twice. I said, "I'd like y'all to hold down the noise for a while, please." One of the young men started to give me trash-talk but within seconds was elbowed by the guy next to him, who whispered something in his ear. Then everyone at the table said, "Yes, sir, or OK."

What made the difference? Open carry. I was wearing a 9mm semi-auto on my right hip. I never touched it and I made no threats, but it was nevertheless visible.

[Lars39]

1. What state was this in?

[Modem Butterfly]

9. His profile indicates Montana

There's some really long winded drivel about being a Veteran (apparently, he missed a few group sessions down at the VA). Amusingly, at the end, there is this text:

All your wackos are belong to us

[Bob3]

2. Felony menacing is fun isn't it.

N/T

[donco6]

3. What an a-hole.

What other point was there, than to say, "Shut up or I'm gonna shoot you."

[jody]

4. A "Freeper on Freeper" incident. n/t

[Old and In the Way]

5. The lesson here?

I've got a gun and my rights trump yours. I suppose if the 7 muscular guys (an odd descripter, I think) had guns, Mr. FR Asshole would have STFU.

And who uses beannery to describe a restaurant? Probably a fantasy he had while stroking his squirtgun.

[Individualist]

8. I agree that it's a fantasy

This sounds like typical FR bullshit. Macho posturing with no basis in fact, a moran who's trying to impress his fellow morans.

[Cocoa]

18. fantasy

he probably did encounter the loud party, but he did nothing, he sat there and imagined what he might do, then put his fantasy down in writing as something that actually happened.

[mzteris]

6. he must be

THIS | | big.

Bet he feels like a "big man" carrying that weapon. What a dweeb.

[tjwash]

7. Ah the old song comes to mind...

..."I got a gun, and it ain't teeny, makes up for my little weenie"

BTW, there was a pawn shop owner here in San Diego who loved to walk around his shop with all his guns hanging off of him, like he was Clint Eastwood, giving him a false sense of security.

It didn't stop him from getting robbed and beaten half to death by a career criminal...

[blue sky at night]

10. You know I am really impressed.........

if you read down a few comments;

To: CholeraJoe

Why would you expect peace and quiet at 430 am on a weekend? Maybe you should just scramble some eggs in the kitchen.

4 posted on 08/21/2005 6:05:32 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: CholeraJoe

This ought to be fun; the RKBA is based on the principle of self-defense. A public place, no threat of physical safety, no one breaking the law - just a person annoyed by loud noise. One can imagine that he could be arrested for threatening other customers.

5 posted on 08/21/2005 6:07:15 AM PDT by lemura
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To: CholeraJoe
I have had a CCW for about five years - and I have never "showed" to anyone.

What you did was wrong.

A bunch of drunk kids?

Leave them alone.

9 posted on 08/21/2005 6:10:01 AM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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excuse me, is there hope for all of after all?? most of the replys are against old CholeraJoe.

[alarcojon]

11. WTF is a "beanery"?

I would assume a racist term for a Mexican restaurant. Wonderful.

I was surprised most of the other posters disapproved.

Now I have to sanitize my computer after taking it into that cesspool.

[rockymountaindem]

13. No, it's a coffee shop.

Like a coffee bean. Ever heard of the big chain "Gloria Jean's Beanery"?

[alarcojon]

19. You may be right

I've heard of Gloria Jean's, but I missed the "beanery" part. Are they open 24 hours and/or do they serve breakfast?

On the other hand, I've heard the term "beaner" (and been called it) many times. Would I be shocked if a freeper referred to a Mexican restaurant as a "beanery"? Not at all.

[rockymountaindem]

26. Gloria Jean's...

isn't a coffee shop, they just sell coffee for you to brew at home. But I wouldn't be surprised if regular 'ol coffee shops use that name.

OTOH, I also wouldn't be surprised if a Freep used "beanery" in the way you described. I won't jump to conclusions though and I'll assume it was just a coffee shop.I haven't seen too many 24 hour Mexican restaurants, unfortunately :)

[rockymountaindem]

27. I like how everyone just assumes the young people were drunk.

Maybe they were sober but loud? Does them being drunk mean it's ok to harass them? Is it like this: drunk + loud = shoot 'em, sober + loud = hold fire?

Geez. At least most of those people aren't supporting the original asshole.

[alfredo]

39. Beanery used in an old song.

Mountain Greenery

(Richard Rodgers / Lorentz Hart)
From The Garrick Gaities (1925).

In our mountain greenery
Where God paints the scenery
Just three crazy people together.
Ooo, while you love your lover
Let blue skies be your coverlet
When it rains we'll laugh at the weather.

And if you're good
I'll search for wood
So you can cook
While I stand a-looking.

Ooo, beans could get no
keener reception in a beanery
Bless our mountain greenery home.

In the mountain greenery
(Where God) Where God paints the scenery
(Just us three) Just three crazy people together
(How) How we love sequestering
(Where no) Where no pests are pestering
(Pestering) No man holds us in a tether.

Mosquitoes here won't bite your ear
I'll let them sting me on my finger

We could find no cleaner retreat from life's machinery
Than our mountain greenery with its mountain scenery
Bless our montain greenery home

[Divernan]

49. Mel Torme did a great recording of this song.

which dates back to the 1940's or earlier.

[alarcojon]

54. I've been to several 24-hour Mexican restaurants

I shouldn't have jumped to my conclusion about the term, however. Anyways, it's a side issue.

[johnaries]

34. Not in rural areas. They are family restaurants specializing in "simple",

"All American" fare and/or "country" cooking.

Originally, beaneries specialized in baked beans, white beans, etc. which is how the name originated. A good example is The Bean Pot in Crossville, TN. which inspired Cracker Barrel restaurants.
http://tinyurl.com/b72xm

Many of them specialize in various types of "Country Breakfast".

[Modem Butterfly]

16. I think it's an old fashioned word for a diner

[murielm99]

29. When I was small, I lived in a little bitty railroad town.

They had a beanery. Everyone just referred to it as the beanery. The people who ran it lived in the back. It was open all the time, because the railroad crews came in at odd hours. The meals were really home-cooked and filling. I ate there with my dad a couple of times, and I just loved the place.

[Kali]

37. ???

Probably an all night place like Waffle House or Denny's - but when I was a kid that was the spot in the desert where all the underage kids went to drink and smoke pot,

[ima_sinnic]

12. oh,yeah, RIGHT, mr. wet-dream mama's boy!!

you big stud, you--now stop foolin around and go do your homework or you'll have to do sixth grade for the FOURTH TIME!

[fishnfla]

14. Judging by the responses there

85% of the idiots there think what he did was wrong

I like the one label Cholera Joe gets, a "dyspeptic 50-something"

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. Some (unbelievably) sensible responses:

This ought to be fun; the RKBA is based on the principle of self-defense. A public place, no threat of physical safety, no one breaking the law - just a person annoyed by loud noise. One can imagine that he could be arrested for threatening other customers.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I have had a CCW for about five years - and I have never "showed" to anyone.

What you did was wrong.

A bunch of drunk kids?

Leave them alone.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Joe, I would have left. The tone and deportment in the restaurant is the owner's business. He might prefer ten raucous twenty-somethings to one dyspeptic fifty-something.

These kids were probably drunk, drunks do stupid things. At least they have an excuse.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Then you should be prepared for a little noise and exuberance. It's not your place to enforce anti noise laws. Open and concealed carry are meant for self defense, not open intimidation if someone offends your sensibilities.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

think that was over the top. I don't believe the open carry laws were devised to enforce someone's version of good manners.

The threat was implied. What would you have done if they had continued to carry on? Shoot them? If not, what was the point?

P.S. I have a concealed carry permit
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"All I wanted to do was eat my breakfast in relative peace."

Certainly the bakery would wrap your breakfast for take-out!

Using your rights to step on the rights of others - seems like you were the rude one.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A weapon is used for self defense, not intimidating a bunch of drunk kids. What would you have done if one of them got in your face. What would you have done if they kept on talking. What if one of the idiots wanted to take a swing at you. In this case, you have become the aggressor. You would have killed somebodies kid,who for all you know is a good person, just a little drunk and trying to get some breakfast.

I am all for carry, either open or concealed. But, I believe that if you choose to carry, you have an extra responsibility to avoid confrontation.

Kids have a right to be stupid and survive. Heavens know that I didn't survive on my judgment alone when I was that age.

I think what you did was a mistake and if you had discharged your weapon, you have destroyed your own life.

[Mythsaje]

20. These don't really surprise me...

I don't own a gun, but I have never liked the "gun nut" label. The vast majority of legal gun owners are pretty rational people...those that aren't are sitting in prison somewhere or end up shot dead themselves.

[fishnfla]

32. "this is not miss manners, this is ms. manners with PMS and a gun"

some of the replies are pretty funny,but i dont get out much

[Window]

17. And if he wasn't carrying a piece?

Would he have said anything? Doubt it. LOL!

[fishnfla]

38. he claims: "yup"

one of the freeps axed him this, says he would do the same thing.


They jump on him for claiming in his OP that the gun makes the difference.

They axed him what he would do if one of the men got in his face: "put 2 glazers in his skull" They jumped on him for that stupid reply

They asked him what he would do if the kids did not calm down: he said he would ask the waitress to call the cops. They pointed out the 10 kids would easily then get him busted.

Poor joe, poor bald sexually frustrated insomniac:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[getmeouttahere]

21. Ah, the American Way....

peace and quiet at the barrel of a gun. Deliver me from this maniacal mess.

[Bluebear]

22. *swoon* My hero.

P.S. I am betting that incident never happened outside of his pseudosexual fantasy world.

[unrepuke]

33. "...and THEN I told that son-of-a-bitch, says I ..."

I don't remember the movie, it was long ago - a cowboy shoot-'em-up - the bad guy stalks into the saloon and everybody gets silent. He's at the bar for a few moments then says, menacingly;

"It's too quiet in here!"

...and the piano player starts up again, and the partying resumes...
Dang, these guys are touchy. How loud, exactly, do they want it?

:party: :shrug: :party:

[porphyrian]

23. It's so much fun to control the behavior of others...

I think it's a mandatory quality of conservatives. Fucking assholes.

[donsu]

24. bully for you

nt

[Botany]

25. He is so lucky (if this ever happened) that .....

....... some of those 20 year old dudes did not pick him
up and bash him on the ground ......

or that somebody did not wind up dead ......

[Renew Deal]

28. That's menacing.

If he used his gun to intimidate someone.

[uncle ray]

30. bullshit.

i don't believe it, and oddly this is why, his gun. what self respecting freeper would arm himself with a 9mm? that ain't what rednecks carry, that's what gang bangers carry. i'd believe a .357 but not a 9mm, and a non-identified 9mm at that, what kind of gun lover would resist the oppertunity to brag about the details of his piece? he's a liar IMHO.

[Blue_Tires]

31. attitudes like this help give real responsible gun owners a bad name

sadly, growing up in VA (with a CCW permit that is relatively easy to obtain and can go just about anywhere) I've seen this attitude a lot---especially when the gun owner is in a place where chances are no one else is carrying.

[hwmnbn]

35. what a liar!!!.......

total bullshit. 5:00 in the morning and these 7 "muscular" young guys, who've obviously been partying are going to back down in front of their girlfriends?

This freeper lives in a fantasy world to make him feel better about himself. This guy definitely has some male issues. He should deal with them instead of telling stories to compensate.

At least he didn't start a war...... but his hero did! And now he feels powerful.

Then everyone at the table said, "Yes, sir, or OK."

Fuck you, What a creep!!

[Deep N RedLand]

36. Could've been arrested just for showing it.

As someone who had a permit in Florida, I'm familiar with CCW regulations.

Through this dumbass uses the words "open carry", to my knowledge every other state that has laws granting a citizen to right to carry a firearm also requires it to be concealed which means no one should be able to tell it's there. It does not mean you can "accidental" let others know you're armed in in effort to intimidate them as it sounds like this needle dick most likely did.

If it happened at all of course. Easy to be Billy-badass when there's no proof one's life was ever in danger to apply deadly force (which someone back-talking to you does not qualify) and your target audience is drooling gun-nut freepers.

[ContraBass Black]

43. In some places, a firearm must be visible, not concealed.

VA allows open carry for anyone over 21.

[Kali]

44. You can wear a strap on here in AZ.

double entendre fully intended. (not anti gun, but dicks like this guy sure don't help with folks understanding)

[SalmonChantedEvening]

40. Welcome to 1891

I sure showed those varmints a thing or 2, my n peacemaker won the day! Off into the sunset I rode on my pinto, lookin for renegade indians and clinging tightly to the pelts I knew would bring in a fortune at Fort Sensenbrenner.

Ye gods. :eyes:

[Bluebear]

42. 'Varmints' LOL

[SalmonChantedEvening]

51. My favorite line:

"I walked over to the table, and walked completely around it twice."

You know in his fevered little mind there were spurs jingling with each step he took... :rofl:

[Straight Shooter]

41. He goes in, they're already making noise, but he orders anyway?

What an idiot. I call bullshit on his story. Lucky for him he walked in, ordered breakfast and had it ready in 10 minutes? Doubtful.

If I go into any place to eat and there are unruly patrons, or even loud patrons just having fun, I turn around and leave and go somewhere else if I'm wanting peace and quiet, especially since they were there first.

Who died and made this fool king?

[AuntPatsy]

45. Is it possible that perhaps these kids just realized they were being

too loud and out of respect, softened the noise?

[Kali]

47. Nah there was a PSYCHO walking in circles around their table.

In reality I vote with the idea this is all bullshit. Some jerk's fantasy.

[AuntPatsy]

53. I have to agree

[BIG Sean]

46. Might makes right

Man that is complete bull

And what if one of the "20 somethings" had a firearm as well asshole?

Lets leave the carry permits to the police officers that need them to perform thier jobs.

That post sounds like some Archie Bunker wannabe wrote it.

[Maestro]

48. He was a being a poser because a group of

people were laughing and having a good time? If I were one of them along with the seven other muscular guys he describes I would have jumped his freeper ass and held him down for threatening us with a weapon. The police could sort out the details. What an ass!

[marbuc]

50. The kids' reaction

leads me to believe they thought he was a cop. That, or they recognized he is clearly insane, and may be the type to "go postal" with little provocation. Either way, I wouldn't be too proud of this encounter.

It's people like this that make me leery of liberal concealed carry laws. If a pysche exam was performed, I wonder if he would be granted this permit? I hope he enjoyed his freakin' breakfast.

[TankLV]

52. A poster boy example why that "right to carry" weapons is a BAD law.

The guy's an idiot gun-toting wacko just waiting to shoot and kill somebody because "they look funny" or "don't act like he would want".

Nice.

A poster boy for stronger gun control laws.