From the DLC website and their own words

[MelissaB]

re: the Party which brought a New Deal, a Square Deal, a New Frontier, and a Great Society, etc., to America; and, which has expanded the promise this country has had to offer its people .....

" ... the DLC and the New Democrats have offered the most durable and sustained effort to oppose the dominant liberal faction of their party.

~snip~

"Ultimately, it is success in winning such offices, plus a continuing hold on the presidency, that will institutionalize the New Democrat philosophy further. And with each victory, it will be harder and harder to return to the liberalism that preceded it."

Link: http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=171&contentid=955

Getting in bed with Diebold is a big ticket to that ultimate goal.

With "Democrats" like these, who needs coup d'etats to impose PNAC and right-wing agendas on America?

This was posted by cosmicdot in this thread. I thought it deserved it's own.

[bearfan454]

1. Fuck the DLC

They want to keep the rich people in power(pukes)

[HereSince1628]

3. Only if they don't enjoy it!

I really oppose most everything the DLC stands for.

[MelissaB]

4. I new to politics, but the more I read about this group, the more I

dislike it.

[HereSince1628]

9. Well, you're not alone.

I can't write about the DLC without penning venom. I find them the bane of the tradition of Jefferson.

And as much as it pisses everyone off I point out that William Jefferson Clinton was a founder of the DLC.

[chaumont58]

13. I'm not pissed that you point out Clinton was a founder of DLC

I voted for him. I would do it again. I didn't know much about the DLC until roughly a month ago, when I went to their website and read what they have on the war on terror. I have a hard time believing that stuff was written by Democrats. I described my feeling in a post about that time, calling it bat-shit crazy.
The thing is I think it is a DLC perception that appearing strong a national defense will get them voters that no other issue will. Consequently, I see them as backing the Iraqi War, and that is unforgivable. I don't consider myself a pacifist. Sometimes the use of force is necessary, but it wasn't in the case of Iraq, and, to me, anyone who believed the bullshit about ties to AlQaeda or the tall tales about Iraqi capabilities to hit the continental US is smoking the wrong dope.
Evan Bayh did an appearance recently, talking about the Dems looking weak on national security. I think this is the most bullshit issue to face the American electorate in the last 100 years. It isn't 1976 or 1980 all over again. The Soviet Union is dead and gone.
Seeing the DLC website and reading some of the essays was something of an epiphany for me. I am so disgusted with the choices we face. I live in California, and I won't ever again support DiFi in any endeavor she undertakes. For the voters of at least 20 Senatorial contests, the voters get to choose between a faux repuke and a real repuke. Is it live or is it memorex?

[Zhade]

82. Good call on Feinstein. I'll never vote for her again.

Her husband (and thus, she) profits off the war directly through stock he holds in a Carlyle Group-linked company, and she was a MAJOR fan of Margaret Thatcher - kinda how Hillary Clinton was a fan and defender of the Contras.

:puke:

[Eloriel]

129. More re Clinton and the DLC

Clinton may not have been so much as a founder as a user/usee:

CLINTON'S ROLE:
One by one, Fortune 500 corporate backers saw the DLC as a good investment. By 1990 major firms like AT&T and Philip Morris were important donors. Indeed, according to Reinventing Democrats, Kenneth S. Baer's history of the DLC, Al From used the organization's fundraising prowess as blandishment to attract an ambitious young Arkansas governor to replace Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia as DLC chairman. Drawing heavily on internal memos written by From, Bruce Reed, and other DLCers, Baer says that the DLC offered Clinton not only a national platform for his presidential aspirations but "entree into the Washington and New York fundraising communities." Early in the 1992 primaries, writes Baer, "financially, Clinton's key Wall Street support was almost exclusively DLC-based," especially at firms like New York's Goldman, Sachs.

-- much more --
How the DLC Does It, Robert Dreyfuss, TAP
http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html



another really good article:
Behind the DLC Takeover - Democratic Leadership Council
John Nichols
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1295/is_10_64/ai_65952690/print

[electropop]

174. Clinton was smarter than his DLC membership.

He didn't go so rabidly right, which is why his policies worked.

If the DLC wants to look strong on defense, then it is very important for them to start opposing Iraq. Iraq has dangerously weakened our defense.

[Zhade]

79. Then you'll really hate this...

http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

Read all about how founders of rightwing think tanks like the CATO INSTITUTE have helped finance the DLC.

[MelissaB]

83. Thanks for that link.

:hi:

[Zhade]

84. Sure! It used to be in my sigline, but new rules and all...

I will, of course, pare it down and add it to my sigline again.

[tommcintyre]

162. The DLC (NDN) and the neocons (PNAC) are of similar origins and converging

The DLC was founded in the 80's by Reagan democrats (new republicans) who could've easily (logically)switched parties (like so many other southern Dems did), but decided to stay in the Dem party and turn it conservative.

The neocons (PNAC founders) actually were democrats (claim: some are even still registered as such); and originally switched to the repub party because they were unhappy with the "doveish" stance of the Dem party (McGovern time).

So, in effect, conservative democrats are in control of both parties now. This helps to explain the current GOP lack of fiscal restraint, internationalism, etc. (no wonder the paleocons are so pissed off ;) ). This also helps to explain why there are so many perceived similarities between the Dems and Repubs now; and why they even seem to be working for similar ends now.

If you have the time, here are some links that will help to get "up to speed" on this situation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_%28United_States%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

If you want to check out individual affiliations (like Will Marshal, Al From, Bradley Foundation links to DLC, Leo Strauss, Irving Kristol, etc., the following sites are very good for this:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/search.php
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch
http://www.namebase.org/n2search.html
http://www.nndb.com/
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/

other interesting links:
Who funds the DLC?
http://spacetimecurves.blogspot.com/2004/12/unsurprising-bedfellows.html
Strange Bedfellows: Republican Donors fund DLC meeting
http://lists.democracygroups.org/pipermail/rightwatch/2001q2/000103.html
Behind the DLC Takeover - Democratic Leadership Council
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1295/is_10_64/ai_65952690

The Suckering of Howard Dean
http://www.counterpunch.org/frank02022005.html
The Hogtying of the Deaniacs
http://www.counterpunch.org/frank02172005.html
Howard Dean named Democratic chairman: cosmetic change for a right-wing party
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/dean-f15.shtml

[electropop]

175. So not only are they trying to subvert our Party,

they are creating a modern version of the Illuminati/Knights Templar/Masons/{insert your favorite global conspiracy theory here}. They must be stopped!

:scared:

[tommcintyre]

179. Actually, it's both consolidation and convergence

The consolidation part we see readily - a good example is corporate takeovers (like the MSM), etc.

The convergence part is somewhat less apparent. There is a poly-sci book that proposes the controversial idea of "convergence to the "mean"" (statistical mean). It's kind of like if you put chocolate and vanilla ice-cream in a bowl - eventually they melt and mix together. So, (for example) given enough time, two opposing political parties will become more and more similar in ideology - because that ideology is most effective (not necessarily best) at the time.

However, just because they've become the "same" doesn't mean they still don't compete vehemently with each other. (Think about how large corporations, even though they are structured almost identically, still strongly compete with each other.)

So, what may seem like conspiracy theories on the surface, are really consolidation and convergence at work. There are both immediate benefits (new technology, etc), and costs - both short-term (we see those daily - take your choice), and long-term (less obvious, but just as real - environmental degradation, etc.). Due to lack of real competition/innovation (and other inherent factors, like unwieldy size) - new and better alternatives develop, while the old now-cumbersome system deteriorates (both gradually and often suddenly - like the Soviet Union).

Usually, the old "gives birth" to it's eventual replacement. In this case, the new replacement is the internet (in part). The old produced it, but can not manage/control it. For example, it has become the alternative communication channel to the moribund MSM; and the new challenge to the old-guard political system (witness Dean's campaign).

So, this is good news. The old system is collapsing; and a new, improved grass-roots-based (decentralized) system is taking it's place. They just don't fully realize it yet.

So don't worry too much - they are actually stopping themselves - with our help, of course. :)

[Gay Green]

109. You said it!

After spreading their legs for Diebold, they want to literally miscount the Democratic base out of winning primaries. Of course, the thugs will then turn right around and using the same black box voting machines literally miscount THEM out of winning general elections.

They think that by kissing up and making nicely-nice to the dominant one-party rule inside the Beltway, they can hold on to their pathetic remnants of power.

Does anyone STILL need more proof that we live under fascism?

(On edit: Can't let the freepers criticize us on grammar!)

[MelissaB]

2. Also

The New Democrats apparently have begun this long march. The DLC has made training of a new generation of New Democrat leaders one of its primary objectives, continuing its efforts to work with and influence up-and-coming state and local officials. The New Democrat Network has grown quickly, increasing its ability to fund New Democrat candidates for federal office, including those running in primary contests. Tied to NDN's success, the New Democrat Coalition in Congress has attracted many new members, turning it into a potential New Democrat beachhead in the House.

[FreedomAngel82]

107. One thing I've noticed

is they say "democrat" instead of "democratic". Real democrats no the difference.

[JackieO]

5. A fascist state needs two parties

in order to masquerade as a democracy.

[Cocoa]

6. that was in 2000

more recently, their champion Joe Lieberman came in 7th out of 9 in the 2004 primaries.

[Fridays Child]

7. You really have to wonder why they would try so hard to split the...

...party that Bush has so successfully, albeit unwittingly, united. That and the fact that they use "Liberal" like it's a bad word make me deeply suspicious of them.

[mhr]

8. Will Only Vote For Candidates, Not Parties

If you want my vote, you have to earn it.

[longship]

10. Let the word go out.

The DLC is to Democrats what the Religious Right and the Christian Coalition is to the Republicans.

They are a faction which has nothing to bring to the table but being against things. They have nothing of their own but to get along with the Repugs, who are currently destroying this country and this world.

Their sole goal is the destruction and take-over of the Democratic Party. That way this country will have two major political parties which have been taken-over by ignorance and intolerance.

[jaysunb]

16. When the leadership of the DLC is made up

of former (?) republican operatives, how can one not come to the conclusion that their mission is to weaken and eventually destroy the Democratic Party from within.

That little bit of insight has been floating around here for several years......

[longship]

19. I don't want to go that far.

A conspiracy to make one party rule is a bit strong.

But the end result of a DLC victory would be mostly indistinguishable from one-party rule. Maybe I need to adjust my thinking on this. But I don't think this is their goal at this time. I'll keep an open mind, though.

[Warren Stupidity]

99. I look at it this way...

There is a 'War Party' which controls the leadership of the Republican Party and is struggling to dominate the Democratic Party as well. Their ideology is neoliberal economics and neocon imperialism. They play a good game: pandering to theocrats on the right to control the Republican Party and red-baiting to try to isolate progressives out of the Democratic Party. Their objectives, which they have at least partially met, include eliminating serious opposition within the United States, essentially creating a one party state with a charade of two party political competition. They have skillfully used corporate control of mass media to eliminate dissenting voices and to 'frame the debate' so that only shades of their world view are permitted.

This is very serious shit. I am not sure that we will be successful defeating and undoing what they have done. It is difficult to even get most of us to see what is going on. But this 'old hippy' (see other threads from today) is going to do his damndest to make sure that they don't get to win without a fight.

[jaysunb]

113. And this....

Tyranny has very few indispensable parts; a compliant media, that will regulate information to meet the goals of the state; a “rubber-stamp” Parliament that will endorse the policies of the supreme leader; a judiciary that will adjust the law to serve the requirements of the ruling body, a strong military to seize the wealth of weaker nations; and a security apparatus, that will eliminate any domestic threats to the system.

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=13721&s2=16

While this might seem a bit off topic, I believe it all ties together.

[Eloriel]

141. Aw, c'mon. Go that far. Here's why:

Those corporate contributors--whose names fill the lists of givers to the DLC and a closely linked political arm, the New Democrat Network--include Bank One, Citigroup, Dow Chemical, DuPont, General Electric, the Health Insurance Corporation of America, Merrill Lynch, Microsoft, Morgan Stanley, the National Association of Mortgage Brokers, Occidental Petroleum, Raytheon, and much of the rest of the Fortune 500.

"With the DLC in a position to influence the Democratic Party, Wall Street wins either way," says populist Jim Hightower, who has abandoned his lifelong loyalty to the Democratic Party this year in order to back Nader's candidacy. "If the Republicans win, the corporations have a party in power that will do their bidding. And if the Democrats win, Wall Street knows the DLC will keep them in line."
Behind the DLC Takeover - Democratic Leadership Council
John Nichols
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1295/is_10_64/ai_65952690/print


Then-Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Democrat of Ohio, said he was dismayed that a top Ohio Republican had provided $50,000 in funding for the DLC gathering and that the event was awash in Philip Morris, RJR Nabisco, and AT&T money. Then-Representative William Gray, Democrat of Pennsylvania, who had been a DLC governing board member, said the group's agenda on affirmative action and other issues of concern to African Americans "sounds like David Duke."
Behind the DLC Takeover - Democratic Leadership Council
John Nichols
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1295/is_10_64/ai_65952690/print



and another really good article:
How the DLC Does It, Robert Dreyfuss, TAP
http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

[Zhade]

90. Do you have sources on the "former republican operatives" thing?

I know of Marshall Wittmann, but do you have info on others? I don't like to say it if it's not confirmed (though I will admit that it wouldn't surprise me in the least).

[jaysunb]

157. Is he the guy that used to work for McCain ?(Wittman)

also there was some other fellow speaking on the DLC behalf a few weeks back. I remember the piece described him as a former top aid to some Republican, but now "worked for the DLC"
I'll have to research my posts, as I was pretty much pissed and said so.

[Zhade]

158. Yes, he worked for McCain.

He also worked for the CHRISTIAN COALITION.

[jonnyblitz]

11. the "liberal faction" is DOMINANT ? who knew...

:crazy:

[me b zola]

57. I think this is code for traditional Democratic values

Think about it. They--the frickin dlc--are quick to call those of us who support civil rights "fringe left". This includes, a woman's right to health care, GLBT rights, and voting rights for African Americans.

The dlc has assisted the neothugs in labeling basic human rights as radical left ideas. They are as responsible as the neothugs in making liberalism a dirty word. :grr:


The enemy from within is killing US.

[Zhade]

92. There's another word for DLCers who don't support equal rights...

Dixiecrats.

[Gay Green]

115. How about a phrase that explains the acronym?

Dixie Loser Corpocrats.

[Zhade]

87. Not certain DLCers here, that's for sure!

Now their wishful thinking has been exposed as bullshit by the very organization they so readily defend!

That's karma, baby.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. The Republican wing of the Democratic Party speaks.

Homeless, somewhat moderate Republicans, are what make up the DLC. They were given the boot by Reagan and Bush and became the "New Democrats" that got lucky when Perot stole votes from Bushpapa and have been claiming ever since that they know how to "win". Even though they're few victories have resulted in defeat for the people.

As Harry Truman said, "If you run a Republican against a Republican you get a Republican."

[Zhade]

93. Is there a list somewhere of how many DLCers used to be Republicans?

I'm starting to really wonder about that angle.

[Al-CIAda]

14. Damn- look at THAT shit....can it be any clearer? nt

[MelissaB]

15. Does anybody have that DLC and New Democrats list handy?

We need to know. Name the names.

[MelissaB]

21. Kicking for the list. I know somebody has it.

[porphyrian]

23. Here's what I can cut and paste from their website in five minutes:

DLC Leadership Team

Tom Vilsack
Tom Carper
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Jennifer Mann
Michael Coleman


House New Democrat Coalition

Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA
Melissa Bean, United States Representative, IL
Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV
Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA
Russ Carnahan, U.S. Representative, MO
Ed Case, U.S. Representative, HI
Ben Chandler, U.S. Representative, KY
Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY
Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL
Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA
Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL
Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL
Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY
Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN
Charlie Gonzalez, United States Representative, TX
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA
Stephanie Herseth, U.S. Representative, SD
Brian Higgins, U.S. Representative, NY
Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ
Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR
Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA
Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY
Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI
Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA
John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT
Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY
Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC
Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY
Charlie Melancon, United States Representative, LA
Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA
Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS
Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA
David Price, U.S. Representative, NC
Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA
Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA
Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA
David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA
Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA
Vic Snyder, United States Representative, AR
Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA
Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM
David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR


Senate New Democrat Coalition

Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI

[MelissaB]

27. I like the way your list is organized. Evidently we were searching at the

same time. I started to put some names in bold (the prominent DLC'ers), but didn't.

[MelissaB]

25. List

Jim Aldinger, Council Member, Manhattan Beach CA
Patrice Arent, State Senator, UT
David Aronberg, State Senator, FL
Toni Atkins, City Councilmember, San Diego CA
Loranne Ausley, State Representative, FL
Som Baccam, School Board Member, Des Moines IA
Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA
Thurbert Baker, State Attorney General, GA
Brenda Barger, Mayor, Watertown, SD
Gonzalo Barrientos, State Senator, TX
Viola Baskerville, State Delegate, VA
Alan C. Bates, State Senator, OR
Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
Melissa Bean, United States Representative, IL
Ralph Becker, State Representative, UT
James Bennett, City Council, St. Petersberg FL
Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV
Ethan Berkowitz, House Democratic Leader, AK
Barbara Blanchard, County Legislator, Tompkins County NY
Patrica M. Blevins, State Senator, DE
Marty Block, Community College Trustee, San Diego CA
Alice Borodkin, State Representative, CO
Lisa Boscola, State Senator, PA
Betty Boyd, State Representative, CO
David Braddock, State Representative, OK
Daniel Brady, State Senator, OH
Zach Brandon, City Councilmember, Madison WI
John Brenner, Mayor, York PA
Bob Brink, Delegate, VA
Matt Brown, Secretary of State, RI
Don Brown, Jr., City Councilman, Louisville, CO
Polly Bukta, State Representative, IA
Cruz M. Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor, CA
Robert Butkin, State Treasurer, OK
Thomas Campbell, State Delegate, WV
Jane Campbell, Mayor, Cleveland OH
Roberto Canchola, Superintendent of Schools, Santa Cruz Co., AZ
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA
Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA
Twanda Carlisle, Council Member, Pittsburgh PA
Russ Carnahan, U.S. Representative, MO
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Adolfo Carrion, Borough President, Bronx NY
Terrance D. Carroll, State Representative, CO
Karen R. Carter, State Representative, LA
Ed Case, U.S. Representative, HI
Bill Cegelka, City Council Member, Lexington KY
Ben Chandler, U.S. Representative, KY
Ken Cheuvront, State Senator, AZ
Carol Chumney, Council Member, City of Memphis TN
Paul Clark, Town Supervisor, West Seneca NY
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Martha Coakley, District Attorney, Middlesex County MA
Mark Cohen, State Representative, PA
Steve Cohn, City Councilmember, Sacramento CA
Michael Coleman, Mayor, Columbus, OH
Fran Coleman, State Representative, CO
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Christopher Coons, Council President, New Castle Co., DE
Roy A. Cooper III, Attorney General, NC
Lou Correa, Supervisor, Orange County CA
Cathy Cox, Secretary of State, GA
Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY
J. Joseph Curran, State Attorney General, MD
Lou D'Allesandro, State Senator, NH
Ruth Damsker, County Commissioner, Montgomery Co., PA
Swati Dandekar, State Representative, IA
Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL
Ray Davis, Registrar, Stafford County VA
Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL
Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA
Sergio De Leon, Constable, Tarrant County TX
Ryan Deckert, State Senator, OR
Rocky Delgadillo, City Attorney, Los Angeles, CA
Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator, CT
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Jim Doyle, Governor, WI
Doug Duncan, County Executive, Montgomery County MD
Joseph Dunn, State Senator, CA
Michael Easley, Governor, NC
Doug Echols, Mayor, Rock Hill SC
W.A. Drew Edmondson, State Attorney General, OK
Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL
Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY
Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC
Robert Faucheux, State Representative, LA
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA
John Fernandez, Mayor, Bloomington IN
Barry R. Finegold, State Representative, MA
Eric Fingerhut, State Senator, OH
Joan Fitz-Gerald, State Senator, CO
Michael L. Fitzgerald, State Treasurer, IA
Jamie Fleet, City Councilman, Gettysburg PA
Elizabeth G. Flores, Mayor, Laredo, TX
Dean Florez, State Assemblymember, CA
Romanie Foege, State Representative, IA
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN
Dan B. Frankel, State Representative, PA
Shirley Franklin, Mayor, Atlanta GA
John A. Fritchey, State Representative, IL
Douglas F. Gansler, State's Attorney for Montgomery Co., MD
Michael Garcia, State Representative, CO
Steven A. Geller, State Senator, FL
Allen Jay Gerson, Council Member, New York City NY
Gabrielle Giffords, State Senator, AZ
Glen D. Gilmore, Mayor, Hamilton NJ
Michael Golden, Borough Council Member, Jenkintown PA
Ron Gonzales, Mayor, San Jose, CA
Charlie Gonzalez, United States Representative, TX
Phil Gordon, Mayor, Phoenix AZ
Ken Gordon, State Senator, CO
Jennifer Granholm, Governor, MI
Darlene Green, City Comptroller, St. Louis, MO
Ron L. Greenstein, State Representative, FL
James S. Gregory, City Councilman, Bethlehem, PA
Wendy Greuel, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Daniel Grimes, City Council, Goshen IN
Peter C. Groff, State Representative, CO
Daniel Grossman, State Senator, CO
Ken Guin, Majority Leader, AL
Bob Hagedorn, State Senator, CO
Karen Hale, State Senator, UT
Lee Hammond, State Representative, NH
DeAnna Hanna, State Senator, CO
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA
Jeff Harris, State Representative, MO
Patrick Henry Hays, Mayor, North Little Rock, AR
Martin J. Heft, First Selectman, Chester CT
Robert Henriquez, State Representative, FL
Stephanie Herseth, U.S. Representative, SD
Thomas Hickner, County Executive, Bay County, MI
Brian Higgins, U.S. Representative, NY
Richard Hildreth, Mayor, Pacific WA
Debra Hilstrom, State Representative, MN
Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ
Helen Holton, City Council Member, Baltimore, MD
Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR
Sam Hoyt, State Assemblymember, NY
Dave Hunt, State Representative, OR
Ross Hunter, State Representative, WA
Geri Huser, State Representative, IA
Daniel W. Hynes, State Comptroller, IL
Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA
Thomas Irvin, Commissioner of Agriculture, GA
Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY
Michael Jackson, State Representative, LA
Gilda Z. Jacobs, State Senator, MI
Wendy Jaquet, State House Minority Leader, ID
Nicholas Jellins, Mayor Prom Tem, Menlo Park, CA
Evan Jenkins, State Senator, WV
Douglas Jennings Jr., House Democratic Leader, SC
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD
Robin Johnson, Alderman, Monmouth IL
Donald Jones, Council Member, Jefferson Parish LA
Patty Judge, Secretary of Agriculture, IA
Charlie Justice, State Representative, FL
Tim Kaine, Lieutenant Governor, VA
Steve Kelley, Senate Majority Whip, MN
Randy Kelly, Mayor, St. Paul, MN
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Lynn Kessler, State House Democratic Leader, WA
Kwame Kilpatrick, Mayor, Detroit, MI
Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI
Victor King, Trustee, Glendale, CA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI
Richard Kriseman, City Council Chairman, St. Petersburg, FL
Annie Kuether, State Representative, KS
Rosalind Kurita, State Senator, TN
Eric LaFleur, State Representative, LA
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA
Leah Landrum Taylor, Assistant Minority Leader, AZ
Patricia Lantz, State Representative, WA
Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA
John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR
David Lindenmuth, Councilman, Woodstown Borough NJ
Duane E. Little, Assessor, Shoshone Co., ID
Alice Madden, State Representative, CO
Louis Magazzu, Freeholder, Cumberland County NJ
Dannel P. Malloy, Mayor, Stamford, CT
Matthew Mangino, District Attorney, Lawrence Co., PA
Jennifer Mann, State Representative, PA
Steve Marchand, City Councilman, Portsmouth NH
Jack Markell, State Treasurer, DE
Lisa Tessier Marrache, State Representative, ME
Rosemary Marshall, State Representative, CO
Barbara Matthews, Assembly Member, Tracy CA
Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY
Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IA
Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IL
Kenneth McClintock, State Senator, PR
Bill McConico, State Representative, MI
Matt McCoy, State Senator, IA
Sharon McDonald, Commissioner of Revenue, Norfolk, VA
Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC
Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY
Charlie Melancon, United States Representative, LA
Jules Mermelstein, Township Commissioner, Upper Dublin, PA
Dolores Mertz, State Representative, IA
Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA
Jonathan Miller, State Treasurer, KY
Tom Miller, Attorney General, IA
Doug Milliken, Treasurer, Centennial CO
Ruth Ann Minner, Governor, DE
Keiffer Mitchell, Jr., City Councilman, Baltimore, MD
Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS
Richard H. Moore, State Treasurer, NC
Richard Moore, State Senator, MA
Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA
Karen Morgan, State Representative, UT
John Morrison, State Auditor, MT
Eva Moskowitz, City Council Member, New York City, NY
Keith Mulvihill, Commissioner, Mt. Lebanon PA
Charles A. Murphy, State Representative, MA
Pat Murphy, State Representative, IA
Ed Murray, State Representative, WA
Therese Murray, State Senator, MA
Janet Napolitano, Governor, AZ
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE
Gavin C. Newsom, Mayor, San Francisco CA
Michael Nutter, City Councilman, Philadelphia, PA
Martin O'Malley, Mayor, Baltimore, MD
Michael A. O'Pake, State Senator, PA
Marc R. Pacheco, State Senator, MA
Alex Padilla, City Councilman, Los Angeles, CA
Alfred Park, State Representative, NM
Sally Pederson, Lieutenant Governor, IA
William Peduto, City Councilmember, Pittsburgh PA
David Pepper, City Council, Cincinnati OH
Beverly Perdue, Lieutenant Governor, NC
Eddie Perez, Mayor, Hartford CT
Scott Peters, City Councilman, San Diego, CA
Janet Petersen, State Representative, IA
Bart Peterson, Mayor, Indianapolis IN
Gregory Pitoniak, Mayor, Taylor, MI
Jeffrey Plale, State Senator, WI
Tom Plant, State Representative, CO
Charles Potter, Council Member, Wilmington DE
Debra Powell, Mayor, East St. Louis, IL
David Price, U.S. Representative, NC
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR
Brian Quirk, State Representative, IA
David Ragucci, Mayor, Everett, MA
Aaron Reardon, Snohomish County Executive, WA
Stephen Reed, Mayor, Harrisburg, PA
Ed Rendell, Governor, PA
Ann H. Rest, State Senator, MN
Joe Rice, Mayor, Glendale, CO
Graham Richard, Mayor, Fort Wayne, IN
John Richardson, State Representative, ME
Bill Richardson, Governor, NM
Joe Riley, Mayor, Charleston SC
Andrew Romanoff, State Representative,, CO
T.J. Rooney, State Representative, PA
Samuel Rosenberg, State Delegate, MD
Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA
Sharon Sanders Brooks, State Representative, MO
Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA
Jefferey Schoenberg, State Senator, IL
Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA
Timothy Scott, Council Member, Carlisle Borough PA
David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA
Kathleen Sebelius, Governor, KS
Eugene M. Sellers, Vermillion Parish Engineer, Lafayette, LA
James Shapiro, City Representative, Stamford, CT
Kenneth Shetter, Mayor, Burleson TX
Ron Sims, County Executive, King County, WA
Scott Slifka, Mayor, West Hartford CT
Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA
Malcolm A. Smith, State Senator, NY
James Smith, House Democratic Leader, SC
Rod Smith, State Senator, FL
Vic Snyder, United States Representative, AR
Eleanor Sobel, State Representative, FL
Andrew Spano, County Executive, Westchester Co., NY
Carol Spielman, County Board Member, Lake County IL
Eliot Spitzer, State Attorney General, NY
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI
Greg Stanton, City Councilman, Phoenix, AZ
Larry Stone, Assessor, Santa Clara County, CA
Peter Sullivan, State Representative, NH
Harvey D. Tallackson, State Senator, ND
Abel J. Tapia, State Representative, CO
Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA
Charleta B. Tavares, City Council Member, Columbus, OH
Mark Taylor, Lieutenant Governor, GA
Michael L. Thurmond, State Labor Commissioner, GA
Lois Tochtrop, State Representative, CO
Charles F. Tooley, Mayor, Billings, MT
Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM
John Unger II, State Senator, WV
George Van Til, Surveyor, Lake County IN
Juan Vargas, State Assemblymember, CA
Jennifer Veiga, State Representative, CO
Val Vigil, State Representative, CO
Michael Villarreal, State Representative, TX
Tom Vilsack, Governor, IA
Peter Voros, Mayor, Pittsgrove Township NJ
Lewis J. Wallace, State Representative, CT
Mark Warner, Governor, VA
Steven Warnstadt, State Representative, IA
Jonathan Weinzapfel, State Representative, IN
Jack Weiss, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Peggy M. Welch, State Representative, IN
Kenneth Welch, County Commissioner, Pinnellas County FL
Steve Westly, State Controller, CA
Michael J. Wildes, Mayor, Englewood NJ
Anthony Williams, Mayor, Washington, DC
Earnest Williams, City Councilman, St. Petersburg, FL
Suzanne Williams, State Representative, CO
Constance Williams, State Senator, PA
Sue Windels, State Senator, CO
Philip Wise, State Representative, IA
David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR
Barbara Yamrick, Regional Tranportation District Director, Aurora CO
David Yassky, City Councilmember, Brooklyn NY
Caprice Young, President of the Board of LAUSD, Los Angeles CA


Link: http://www.dlc.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm?viewAll=1



I wish this list was organized by state, too.

[Dover]

31. Mark Warner (Va.) will be a serious candidate.....and a DLCer.

Imagine that. http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I48431-2004Nov13

Speculation Grows On Presidential Bid For Warner in 2008

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, November 14, 2004; Page C01

Web surfers at a site called the Democratic Underground think Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner should be their party's next presidential candidate. So does a guy named Steve, who has started a "Warner in 2008" Internet journal. And among political pundits and the soul-searching leadership of the Democratic Party, Warner's name keeps popping up.

Three years ago, Warner persuaded voters in an overwhelmingly red state to put him in office with a NASCAR-loving, pro-death penalty, pro-gun rights, fiscally conservative campaign. Since then, he has backed some restrictions on abortion, signed more than a dozen gun rights bills, balanced the state's books and persuaded a Republican legislature to help him pass a $1.5 billion tax increase.

..snip..

But Warner, who graced the cover of Governing magazine this month as a public official of the year, has not been shy about describing how he thinks the Democratic Party must change. And those assessments fuel speculation about his role in the party's future.

"The Democratic Party can't write off two-thirds of the country," he said. "There were a number of voters in parts of rural Virginia and across the country who never got to a real review of John Kerry's plans on health care or education or job growth because . . . a Massachusetts senator. They never got past the label."

Some Democrats warn that a centrist candidate like Warner could be seen as "Republican light," standing for little.

..cont'd

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48211-2004Nov13.html

[MelissaB]

35. I've never seen that article. Thanks!

So, did DU support Warner?

[Dover]

37. As far as I know, some did while others were disturbed by his appearance

at this year's Bilderberg meeting. He was one of the few Dems to attend, while there were many Neocons in attendance. Draw your own conclusions....

But the conclusions in the article that DUers support Warner is definitely exagerated......seems more like selective rather than comprehensive research by this journalist.

I think the DUers that supported Warner were mainly Virginians who liked him as Governor.

[0rganism]

135. I tentatively support his candidacy, primarily because he's a governor

Governers have historically been better at winning elections than, say, senators. He's a popular moderate capable of winning state elections in republican-dominated Virginia, which would seem to indicate a fair chance of pulling in some swing voters in other R states as well. Also, if Warner could tip Virginia into the D-column in 2008, that would be a big step toward re-aligning the federal government, not to mention swinging the electoral college in our direction. So there are pragmatic reasons to back his candidacy.

I wouldn't say he's popular at DU, though. Not at all.

[Zhade]

94. That's bullshit. Very few think he should be the candidate.

Gee, the SCLM gets it wrong again, what a surprise.

[Dover]

32. >

self delete

[Copperred]

17. Why can't this DLC thing be kicked out of the party?

Truly kicked out....how much of the party do they represent?

They are moles.

[porphyrian]

28. They bring in too much corporate cash.

With all that company cock in their mouths, they aren't going anywhere until money no longer plays in winning elections. It would probably be easier to make our own party.

[longship]

106. Not kicked out.

We want those with differing opinions in our party. So we have to be careful about the "kicked out" stuff. A political party is not a social fraternity where people can be black-balled.

However, we can look at the DLC as a damaging faction which is trying to take control of the party apparatus. In this respect we can marginalize their power by expressing our own power. This is the only way we can accomplish the goal without dividing the party, which would be avery, very bad outcome.

I really think that the DLC is not understanding what would happen if they win. The result would be a defacto one-party system of the likes of the PRE in Mexico for so many years where all the opposition are parties with little power and little representation. Do they really want to divide the Dems and be driven out of power themselves? I can't believe that's true.

So maybe there is some tin-foil hat stuff behind this. Somebody needs to start digging. We need *facts*.

[Gabi Hayes]

18. sweet creepin JEEEEZUSS!

what more does one need to see that we clearly are being run (into the ground, toilet, miasma...you name it) by two arms of the same corporate Grendel, whose only wish is to maximize profits at the cost of EVERYTHING else: pubic weal, common weal, environment, constitution....whatever else you can come up with

what's Howard Dean going to do about this?

and WHERE do WE go, now that the Democrat Party (in their OWN words) has officially, in writing, abandoned us?

out of all the horrendous news I read every day, this is the most disenheartening. It seriously reminds me of the scene in The Pianist where the Jews are finally faced with the reality of what's going to happen to them....there is, finally, NO DENYING where the DLC leadership stands.

what larger slap in the face can there possibly BE?

[Writer]

20. Q: What came first?

American conservatives or the DLC?

Society or an ideological political group?

Can you force liberal values on groups of conservatives?

The DLC doesn't support "liberalism?" Surprise! :eyes:

[me b zola]

60. Which came first?

Liberals or conservatives?


Got history?

[Zhade]

95. "Can you force liberal values on groups of conservatives?"

Of course not - and I, for one, am not out to FORCE my values on someone else.

However, when MY liberal values are shared by the MAJORITY of the party, and conservatives' AREN'T, I do think their followers should stop pretending they're the base and that they should control the party.

(Not saying you've been dishonest like other DLCers here - it's more of a general statement.)

EDIT: It's also a testament to your honesty that (unlike some of your fellow DLCers) you readily admit that the DLC is conservative and not at all progressive, despite the DLC's recent attempt to hijack a term that in no way fits them. So although I heartily disagree with some of your politics, kudos to you for your willingness to state the truth!

[Al-CIAda]

22. lib·er·al·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr--lzm, lbr-) n.

lib·er·al·ism  ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (lbr--lzm, lbr-) n.

1. The state or quality of being liberal.

2.
a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.

3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.

4. Liberalism
a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.

liberalism-
n 1: a political orientation that favors progress and reform 2: an economic theory advocating free competition and a self-regulating market and the gold standard


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberalism

[MelissaB]

36. And exactly what is wrong with this definition?

Nothing

[Eric J in MN]

24. Suppose the DLC dream is for Joe Lieberman to be president.

I don't see how promoting Black Box voting would help.

Diebold would still prefer Lieberman's Republican opponent, if Liberman were the Democratic nominee.

I think this is just a case of Joe Andrew being a corporate whore, putting Diebold and their cash above democracy.

[Coexist]

26. Glad to be recommendation #5 - I'm a Dean Democrat

from the democratic wing of the Democratic party.

[MelissaB]

29. Thank you!

:hi:

[porphyrian]

30. DLC leadership has lost us 3 consecutive major elections.

Isn't it obvious that their methodology is shit? How many more losses can this country sustain? How many more DLC failures are we going to accept before we do something about them?

[Zhade]

96. To be fair, vote rigging did that.

However, the DLC's craven obeissence to conservatism and willingness to roll over and piss themselves like the cowardly fascist-enablers they are sealed the deal by making it very difficult to challenge the thefts.

[mopinko]

33. PRIMARY CHALLENGES, PRIMARY CHALLENGES,

PRIMARY CHALLENGES, PRIMARY CHALLENGES, PRIMARY CHALLENGES!!!!!!!!
these dinos need to face challenges in the primaries. imho, they do not need independent challengers in the general. please check this thread and contact this guy, and ask him to challenge bean in THE PRIMARY!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=150&topic_id=8793&mesg_id=8793
this is where we take back the party. a progressive challenger to the corporate dems gets the issue before the public. primary fights are a GOOD THING! yes, they are an expensive thing. but for a congressional seat, you can still do a lot for a little money if you have volunteers who believe in you.

[Horse with no Name]

44. Looking for the link now

But a few days ago there was something posted that said that the DLC wasn't going to "allow" primaries. They would "handpick" the candidate they were going to run.
Let me look for it, but folks we are being shut down.

[mopinko]

66. yeah, i think they squeezed richard morrison

who did so much to weaken delay. look to see if anyone challenges christine cegalis. she never stopped running.
and don't forget that rahm emmanual is the guy with his hands on the purse strings. dlc.

[MelissaB]

34. DLC Wikipedia link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

...snip

...The DLC also gave strong support for the 2003_invasion_of_Iraq and the No Child Left Behind Act, but has opposed other policies of President George W. Bush, such as tax cuts for the wealthy, the partial birth abortion ban, borrowing large amounts of money to pay for private retirement accounts, and the underfunding of the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program.

...snip

More vocal critics believe the DLC has essentially become an influential corporate and right-wing implant in the Democratic party. Among the DLC's leadership are individuals with impressive right-of-center credentials, such as Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the DLC and the former legislative director for the Christian Coalition, and Will Marshall, a cosigner of a letter issued by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) endorsing not only the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, but also a foreign policy that has much in common with the neoconservative world-view. Finally, progressive detractors of the DLC note that the DLC recieves funding from the right-wing Bradley Foundation as well as from corporate oil giants, military contractors, and a large number of Fortune 500 companies. (On the other hand, The Brookings Institution, a liberal think tank, also receives large amounts of money from the Bradley Foundation--see wikipedia article).

[Zhade]

97. "borrowing large amounts of money to pay for private retirement accounts"

Note that it's the borrowing, and NOT the idea of privatizing Social Security itself, that the DLC disagrees with.

[PittLib]

38. I know it's not going to happen ...

but I do wish that both parties would split: DLC New Democrats and Progressives, libertarians and conservatives. Then I wouldn't be forced to support these assholes ... and sane Republicans (almost an oxymoron, but I swear they exist) won't be forced to climb in bed with the religious right. It is happening ideologically ... but 2 parties it will stay.

[BigBearJohn]

39. So, John Kerry is a member of the DLC too?

[JanMichael]

40. Bummer, eh?

[Dover]

42. Yep. He was their candidate...n/t

[porphyrian]

53. And the 3rd major election loss they've handed us.

(2000, 2002, 2004, for those who can't figure it out)

[jillan]

43. I don't think Kerry would approve of this statement!

Kerry is as pissed as we are by the way things are going, and I have seen him speak out now in the way I wish he would have spoken on the campaign trail.

Let's not get this into a Kerry bashing thread, we need to work on the DLC first.

[BigBearJohn]

46. If Kerry is part of the DLC, isn't this whole thread attacking HIM too

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm trying to understand.
It says Hilary Clinton is a member too... and yet I understand
a lot of DUers are all for her 2008.

I'm confused a bit.

[Name removed]

48. Deleted message

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[porphyrian]

49. These issues are complex.

Many people, myself included, only supported Kerry because we believed that it was the only way to win the 2004 election, not because we agreed with his stance. In fact, many people did so holding their nose and grimacing. Kerry does not represent me effectively, he's too conservative. The same goes for Hilary Clinton. Her support comes from a number of different camps, not all ones toting her political agenda. Some people would just like to see a woman President. Some are looking for that old Clinton family magic. Others just want to spite the republicans who irrationally hate her. That doesn't mean they agree with her completely, if at all. The thing with both Kerry and Clinton is that they are active members of the DLC, an organization that has declared war on the liberal base of the party it is running into the ground, which I think says a lot for their character, little of which is good.

[MelissaB]

54. I'm confused, too. Here are questions I want answered.

I don't want this to be an attack the candidate thread. I want to learn more about the DLC. The problem is, the more I read, the less I like them.

Have they evolved from what they were in the beginning? Why were they formed to begin with? What do they want now? What are they trying to accomplish? What is their philosophy? If I decide I don't like them, what can I do about it?

[TayTay]

103. IF Kerry is a member of DLC, then why wasn't here at their con

that was held about two weeks ago. He didn't show. Bayh, Clinton and Warner showed up and spoke. Kerry skipped the event.

I think he was from the 'New Democrat' end of the DLC in that he voted for Gramm-Rudman all those years ago, but he has a 92% rating from the ADA, including a strong record envinonmental, reproducting rights civil rights legislation.

Kerry's 'conservative' streak, such as it is, appears to center on strong support for a responsibile accounting and for a reduction in deficit spending. This goes all the way back to his first race in '72. He is more conservative on this, but is hardly a neo-con.

The rest of his beliefs are very liberal and consistent.

What DLC positions are you specifically pinning on him that are at odds with what non-DLC Democrats are advocating?

[never_get_over_it]

159. I would have bet my house

that after all I knew about John Kerry over his years in office that he would have never never never voted for the Iraq War Resolution. But he did and he broke my heart - and he did so because he was planning a run for the White House and you know that vote cost him in the election because he couldn't explain why he voted for it and then criticized the freak in chief during the campign - although I believe he did actually get more votes.

My definition of a DLCer is a democrat who does not have the strength of their convictions - who will not STAND up and support what they know in their heart is right if there is any chance that it might cost them at the polls - like Hillary sucking up to the anit-choice crowd - she made me sick with that and I will NEVER support her - I am sick to death of these kind of people. You know Randi Rhodes is always defending the Dems who voted for the IWR because she said they were lied to - well all I have to say to that is if I knew the freak in chief was lying his ass off then all of those freaking Dems who voted for it should have known too. Pure bull shit they voted the way they did because they were afraid if they didn't it would cost them at the polls - well guess what if the repunks have a choice between repunk light or the real thing they will vote for the real thing.

And the Kerry NEVER fought against the STOLEN election and you want to know why - becasue he wanted to or wants to run in '08 well as far as I am concerned you can put a fork in John Kerry he is DONE.

We need leaders like Paul Wellstone, Dennis Kucinich, Barbar Boxer the entire CBC - I have no use for most of the rest of them....and I have been a Dem for my entire life.

[Warren Stupidity]

104. I supported Kerry

because I had to. But now is the time to push the War Party out of control of the Democratic Party and make sure that we have progressive Democrats from the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" carrying the torch.

Right now the war is the defining issue.

[Dover]

50. Not Kerry bashing. But if you read the DLC website, they are, of course,

dedicated to getting THEIR people into power. That's the way it works. If that's too cynical for you, then perhaps you prefer fantasy?

We can evaluate individual candidates on their personal merits but their affiliations are very telling as regards their values and agendas. Not all DLC policies are problematic...but too many ARE. And the DLC's affiliations/backers are VERY disturbing.

[Mass]

120. Well, if they wanted Kerry in power, they hid it well.

[Rainscents]

51. John Kerry voting records is to DNC... People should look into his records

instead of attacking him.

[Mass]

119. So are Dorgan and Spitzer among others

But none of them was at the last meeting. That should tell you something, I guess. (or may be not, depending what you want).

Note that none of them has been part of the DLC leadership and they have not associated themselves with these statements.

[jillan]

41. An idea...

What if DU composed a letter
and we all signed it, and sent it to them?

Not a "you guys are a bunch of assholes" letter, but a professional letter explaining to them that they are overlooking the whole grassroots movement of the country, that the democratic party is no longer the same democratic party that it was in the Clinton years, how Kerry's loss has started a movement in this country that is more powerful than what they have to offer...reminding them to look at Hackett and Cindy Sheehan.
That the democratic party needs to work together as a whole in order to succeed. And that includes every democrat from the very far left all the way to the center.

Things have changed. I have changed. The DLC needs a wake-up call.

Thoughts?

[Zhade]

101. Thoughts?

They won't give a fuck what you say.

They've essentially declared war on liberals and progressives - why do you think they'd care about our opinion?

[Name removed]

45. Deleted message

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[niallmac]

47. Scary thought: To whom was Wellstone more of a threat? repug/dlc? n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

52. the DLC is fucking LOOPY!!!

[BrotherBuzz]

55. Bullwinkle (DLC) to Rocky (Big Tent Democrats)

Bullwinkle: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!"
Rocky: "Again? That trick never works!"
Bullwinkle: "This time for sure"

[porphyrian]

56. *RRRAAAAHRR!*

The only problem with the comparison is that Bullwinkle always puts the beast back in the hat. The DLC gets it re-elected.

[BrotherBuzz]

70. "No doubt about it, Rock', I gotta get me a new hat"

I wish Bullwinkle would listen to his own advice. :shrug:

[Bluebear]

58. Yeah, well fuck the DLC

Pardon my French.

[wli]

59. we need to eject the DLC from the Democratic party period n/t

[porphyrian]

62. How do we do it?

As long as they can write the big checks that we can't, our party whores will continue to sit in their lap.

[wli]

108. No idea. I don't see any way out. n/t

[shance]

61. So they aren't Democrats after all?

They got one thing right

We are indeed, the dominant,liberal faction.

That we will remain.

;)

[Douglas Carpenter]

63. The DLC is an attempt to create a one-party state

I'm plagiarizing another poster--but I think that sums it up. Imagine for a minute if we do end up with a DLC President and DLC Congress with its slightly watered down neocon foreign policy and its corporations-first domestic policy--all calling themselves Democrats.

What will we have won??

_________________



A True Voice of Opposition
--A Voice for Working People
--Not the Elite--
http://www.bernie.org/issues.asp

[gulfcoastliberal]

64. So "New Democrat Philosophy" differs from Republican philosophy how?

DLC = Reagan Democrats = Bush Republicans = PNAC

[glitch]

163. Fascist-lite?

Sorry.

[shance]

65. They're attempting a coup on the Democratic party.

There you have it.

LOL! They are even telling us.

Either they are very stupid or very arrogant, or both*

[porphyrian]

67. But haven't they already won?

Gore was a DLC candidate. Kerry was a DLC candidate. I'm not sure how many of the Congressional and Gubernatorial candidates in 2002 were DLC, but they lost anyway. Even if they represent a minority of Democrats, by winning every primary, they are controlling our party.

[MelissaB]

69. From the little I've read about the DLC, it was started by a group of

mainly Southern politicians. This would explain Clinton and Gore, although I didn't know Gore was DLC. My question is: Have they evolved into something else? Have their goals changed or have they stayed the same?

[shance]

73. Please state facts and not inaccuracies.

Gore was not a DLC candidate. He was a Democratic candidate. If anyone is DLC it was Joe "Benedict Arnold" Lieberman who left Gore at the bustop during the Florida recount.

[Dover]

78. And they haven't exactly been leaders in E-Voting reform either.

Gee, wonder why...?

[Pepperbelly]

68. why do you guys have so many problems with letting ...

the voters decide who most represents them?

Do you somehow think that you should be "kinged" without benefit of the ballot box?

[Bluebear]

71. Is there a general election process to decide party leadership?

[Pepperbelly]

110. Yes.

Through the county, then state, then national Democratic committees. They are all elected, at least in my state, during the primaries.

[MelissaB]

72. No, I don't. I have a problem if a politician has a "hidden" agenda.

People here know about the DLC, but does the general public?

[Douglas Carpenter]

74. corporate-controlled parties, corporate-controlled media,

corporate-controlled politicians from both parties...that is the level playing field of democracy?

Furthermore, for more than the 30 years the Democratic Party leadership has been following the "Republican Lite" strategy--it doesn't work.

[MelissaB]

77. Well said! n/t

[Pepperbelly]

111. so what ... you should just be "kinged" without ...

the indignity of submitting yourself to the voters?

That isn't Democratic. Nor is it democratic.

[Douglas Carpenter]

127. Of course not

We just don't need corporate America imposing their chosen looser candidates on us--

When the Democratic Party was the visionary party that fought for working people it dominated the political scene for decades.

When DNC Chair Bob Strauss way back in the 70's choose to destroy the grassroots side of the party and adopt the "Republican Lite" strategy-it has been loosing ground ever sense.

It is time for real democrats and Real Democrats to take back our party through grassroots democratic power.

[Pepperbelly]

131. Go for it!

More power to you but for God sakes, this DLC Snowball canard is tedious. I don't even CARE about the DLC. I'm just very tired of all the sky-is-falling-and-the-DLC-did-it threads.

If you have a problem with them, organize against them. But this ain't that.

[K-W]

76. You seem to be confused. It is the DLC who kings people.

It is the DLC that uses money to minimize the power of people's voices in elections.

The voters should get to decide, not political financiers.

[Pepperbelly]

112. candidates are selected through the process of election ...

in the primaries. Should the vote just be disregarded so that self-appointed activists can appoint whom they want? That was the old system, the smoke-filled rooms.

No thanks.

[K-W]

125. What kind of a rediculous strawman is that.

I fairly clearly suggested that if we had elections not tainted by monied interests we would have a more democratic process, do you disagree?

Its funny you should bring up the smoke filled rooms, since that is exactly what the DLC represents. And your equating the smoke filled rooms with activists shows you really dont know what you are talking about.

[Pepperbelly]

126. what is it you have against elections ....

other than fear that you will lose them?

[K-W]

130. Why is it that you keep making things up?

I have not once suggested that we not have elections. I see you have no intention of having an honest discussion.

[Pepperbelly]

132. then what is your problem?

Go win the damned elections if you are concerned with the DLC or the whatever. Pissing and moaning accomplishes da nada. This is yet one more DLC is Emanual Goldstein threads that so many post here. Very tedious.

[K-W]

134. If you had bothered to read my posts.

You would not only not have made the embarassing mistake of thinking I was advocating ending elections, you would also know that my problem is with the warping of the political process by money.

If you find such threads tedious dont read/post on them. The fact that instead of ignoring this thread you have chosen to come on this thread and equate my criticism of the DLC with wanting to have elections cancelled suggests to me your are in fact quite interested in this topic.

[Pepperbelly]

138. what you don't seem to get ...

and allow me to explain ... every member of the DNC is elected. They run the Democratic Party. Every one of the party's nominees are the product of primary elections. If your problem is with the law, then join the crowd. I have many beefs with different laws. Some are truly stupid things.

So try to change the law or not. What the fuck ever.

[K-W]

142. So you are just against discussion overall?

What exactly did I say that suggested to you I did not know how primary elections worked? It seems to me you are still making things up.

If your problem is with the law, then join the crowd. I have many beefs with different laws. Some are truly stupid things.

One of my problems is with the laws. Another one of my problems is with politicians who are beholden to monied interests, which is more to the point of this thread. As far as "joining the crowd" I thought thats what I was doing by participating in discussions on this forum.

So try to change the law or not. What the fuck ever.

No, actually I think I will post my opinion about the law, and the DLC, and lots of other things on this discussion forum, and if you dont like reading peoples opinions about things you can stop coming to discussion forums.

[Pepperbelly]

145. Campaign against them ...

donate money to their opponents.

Write LTTEs.

Take out billboards.

But instead, we have the 17 Ka-zillioneth thread saying BOO! the DLC's gonna get us all.

I wish the DLCers would post more threads against the liberals. Then I could say EXACTLY the same thing to them.

[K-W]

151. I am not a corporate executive, I dont have money to donate.

Its interesting that you answer my criticisms of the election system by suggesting I rely on it.

But instead, we have the 17 Ka-zillioneth thread saying BOO! the DLC's gonna get us all.

I see you didnt read the rest of the thread either.

I wish the DLCers would post more threads against the liberals. Then I could say EXACTLY the same thing to them.

It would probably make just as little sense.

[Pepperbelly]

153. whatever ...

everybody gets pissy when others don't see the sky falling in exactly the same way.

[K-W]

154. I dont see the sky falling in any way.

And the only reason I am pissy, if I am at all, is that you accused me of suggesting that we not have elections.

[shance]

80. You still perpetuating the myth our votes count Pepper?

And that the Republican owned companies of Diebold and Elections Systems and Software who now OWN almost 80% of all of our ballot data will be SURE to count every single vote fairly and squarely?

You still promoting things are fair Pepper and trying to throw everyone else on a guilt trip who doesnt believe like you do?

You implying that many unethical lawmakers, including many of our own Dems won't in fact, eagerly cheat their way back in their seat?

Then you are refusing to look at the facts and the truth.

[Pepperbelly]

114. So they should award nominations to ...

those who get fewer votes?

Or do you favor doing away with that whole indignity of elections and just allow shance to make the calls for everyone?

[porphyrian]

85. Who are the "you guys" you are referring to?

Do you mean the people who realize that the DLC is destroying the Democratic party from within, the people who don't, or the DLC people themselves?

[Pepperbelly]

116. I am referring to those who would substitute their voice for ...

the majority of voters on primary day.

If you can't do anything else, you have to accept the outcome of elections. Fight bad decisions, check for cheating, but after all is said and done, what will not happen is to merely allow disgruntled partians to select nominees over the result of the primaries.

If you have a problem with a candidate or with every candidate supported by whomever, then electioneer against them. Personally, I am so tired of Snowball DLC being blamed for everything around here.

[MisterP]

88. HAHAHAHAHA

the cheap homilies, the pious melodrama, the clearly fabricated "misinterpretation"--you're killing me! (for real)

[Pepperbelly]

117. So ...

what mechanism should be usede to select nominees? Simply ask Mr. P who he wants and then carry on?

[Zhade]

102. Shouldn't you direct that question to the DLC itself?

They're the minority members of the party trying to kick the majority out - they've made it quite clear, in their own words, that they oppose liberals, who make up the base and majority of the party.

EDITED to change 'which' to 'who'.

[Pepperbelly]

118. DLC or lefties ...

it is about the votes in the primary. If you disagree, fight it out in the primaries. Myself, I am tiring of Snowball DLC ... boo!

Support your candidate, oppose whoever but for God's sake, I am tired of the chicken little bullshit.

[Zhade]

121. It's hardly "chicken little bullshit", or a secret, that the DLC...

...wants liberals out of the party, or at best marginalized - even though centrists are the MINORITY.

It's not "chicken little bullshit" to be concerned about founders of rightwing think tanks funding the DLC.

It's not "chicken little bullshit" to recognize that some of the DLC's leadership, like Will Marshall, endorse PNAC ideas.

And it's not "chicken little bullshit" to worry that primaries won't be fair when the cofounder of the Indiana chapter of the DLC signs on to be a spokesman for Diebold's proprietary-coded voting machines.

[Pepperbelly]

123. Then go out and beat them

for heavens sake.

If you can.

[bpilgrim]

137. who got the DNC chairmanship?

next ;->

cya in 06 :hi:

peace

[Zhade]

146. BAM!

May I just say...



:evilgrin:

[Pepperbelly]

148. Dr. Dean and ...

I supported him. I still support him.

Next. :D

[Zhade]

144. If they team up with Diebold, it's a little hard to do.

NT!

[Pepperbelly]

147. give me a break ...

at every little Party committee in the nation?

[shance]

161. No, by all means, give US a break.

You're actions are so counter to what is in the best interests of our party.

[Pepperbelly]

167. come on ....

are you saying that the DLC will DIEBOLD every committee member election?

[bpilgrim]

124. becuase, we're the BEST & BRIGHTEST AND we BOUGHT & PAID for'm, DAMNIT!

:evilgrin:


http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace

[Pepperbelly]

149. in that case ...

the rat-bastards ought to stay bought.

:D

[bpilgrim]

152. now-now

we must take our turns :P

peace

[rman]

165. LOL, what do voters have to do with it?

Why does the DLC try to influence public opinion?

[Zhade]

75. They even admit that 'centrists' are NOT the base and NOT the majority!

...the dominant liberal faction...

That's right, DLCers - even your beloved organization knows that centrists like you ARE NOT THE MAJORITY - just like we've told you time and time again.

And this is from the DLC itself. Let's see you argue with THAT!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

(PS: Your ilk will NEVER, EVER be the majority. Get used to it.)

[MisterP]

81. and the obligatory stab at those pesky Europeans

did Ari Fleischer write this?

[Solly Mack]

86. to semi-quote Jello

"My goal is not replacing a corporate Republican with a corporate Democrat and then calling it a day."
Jello Biafra

[Warren Stupidity]

105. exactly - and that is the game they are running.

After the rethuglicans have finished making a mess of things we get a corporate Democrat to continue to do the same nonsense with a 'lite' coat of humanist values. F* that. I've had enough. No more.

[yurbud]

89. We should start a campaign to have Dems repudiate this

Kerry said as much the other day by saying we don't need a second republican party.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[Hubert Flottz]

91. The DLC is really the CFR

Roster of CFR/Trilateral Commission Members

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/cfr-members.htm

The one world Government gang

The World’s Mastermind: the True Objectives of Globalization - a view from Argentina
Adrian Salbuchi

"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to re-live it"

George Santayana

More and more people are taking an increasingly critical view of the worldwide phenomenon called globalization. Not that they are against constructive cooperation among the sovereign nations of the world on common goals, but rather that they reject this present model of globalization.

As we now have it, globalization can be defined as an ideology which identifies the sovereign Nation-state as its key enemy. It thus seeks to weaken, dissolve and eventually destroy it as a social institution in order to replace it with new supranational world management structures. These structures tie in with the political objectives and economic interests of a small number of highly concentrated and very powerful groups which today drive and steer the globalization process in a very specific direction.

These power groups consist of private interests which have today achieved something unprecedented in human history and which can de describe as the privatization of power on a global scale. Globalization is an understatement of that which former US presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman and George Bush, each at different historical times described as a "new world order".

A New World Order! Clearly, when former president Bush indiscretely used that term a decade ago, the Establishment quickly silenced and replaced it by the more neutral and harmless sounding "globalization" which, nevertheless, today has but one meaning: Anglo-North American neoimperialism on a planetary and all-encompassing level.

http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/mastermind.html

I saw something yesterday that kicked my ass completely Guess who's pals with the CFR/DLC democrats...Scroll down through the B's on the roster and you'll find the name of Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth J Blackwell...I wonder why Kerry is ready to give up the fight in Ohio?

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/CFR97list.html

snip>

Ohio:

AG asks for sanctions against election protection attorneys
Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman write in the Columbus Free Press: In a stunning legal attack, Ohio's Republican Attorney General has moved for sanctions against the four attorneys who sued George W. Bush et. al. in an attempt to investigate the Buckeye State's bitterly contested November 2 election.

Robert Fitrakis, Susan Truitt, Cliff Arnebeck and Peter Peckarsky were named by Attorney General James Petro in a filing with the Ohio Supreme Court. Petro charges the November Moss v Bush and Moss v. Moyer filings by the Election Protection legal team were "frivolous." Petro is demanding court sanctions and fines.

"Instead of evidence, contesters offered only theory, conjecture, hypothesis and invective," the Attorney General's January 18th memo about the suit said. "A contest proceeding is not a toy for idle hands. It is not to be used to make a political point, or to be used as a discovery tool, or be used to inconvenience or harass public officials, or to be used as a publicity gimmick."

But Cliff Arnebeck says it has been Petro and Ohio's partisan Republican Secretary of State, J. Kenneth Blackwell, who have stonewalled the election challenge legal proceedings. Both have refused to submit any evidence to the court to refute the allegations in the election challenge case - claiming George W. Bush did not win a majority in Ohio - and Petro's office has also refused to allow any Ohio public election official to be deposed.

http://www.votelaw.com/blog/archives/2005_01.html

[hnsez]

98. MelissaB's list sorted by state & delimited for a clean import

gg Excel - (Kerry supported this war)

Ethan Berkowitz; House Democratic Leader; AK
Artur Davis; U.S. Representative; AL
Ken Guin; Majority Leader; AL
Blanche Lincoln; U.S. Senator; AR
Mark Pryor; U.S. Senator; AR
Vic Snyder; United States Representative; AR
Patrick Henry Hays; Mayor; North Little Rock, AR
Gabrielle Giffords; State Senator; AZ
Janet Napolitano; Governor; AZ
Ken Cheuvront; State Senator; AZ
Leah Landrum Taylor; Assistant Minority Leader; AZ
Greg Stanton; City Councilman; Phoenix, AZ
Phil Gordon; Mayor; Phoenix, AZ
Roberto Canchola; Superintendent of Schools; Santa Cruz Co., AZ
Adam B. Schiff; U.S. Representative; CA
Cruz M. Bustamante; Lieutenant Governor; CA
Dean Florez; State Assemblymember; CA
Dianne Feinstein; U.S. Senator; CA
Ellen Tauscher; U.S. Representative; CA
Jane Harman; U.S. Representative; CA
Joseph Dunn; State Senator; CA
Juan Vargas; State Assemblymember; CA
Juanita Millender-McDonald; U.S. Representative; CA
Lois Capps; U.S. Representative; CA
Loretta Sanchez; U.S. Representative; CA
Steve Westly; State Controller; CA
Susan Davis; U.S. Representative; CA
Victor King; Trustee; Glendale, CA
Alex Padilla; City Councilman; Los Angeles, CA
Caprice Young; President of the Board of LAUSD; Los Angeles, CA
Jack Weiss; City Council; Los Angeles, CA
Rocky Delgadillo; City Attorney; Los Angeles, CA
Wendy Greuel; City Council; Los Angeles, CA
Jim Aldinger; Council Member; Manhattan Beach, CA
Nicholas Jellins; Mayor Prom Tem; Menlo Park, CA
Lou Correa; Supervisor; Orange County, CA
Steve Cohn; City Councilmember; Sacramento, CA
Marty Block; Community College Trustee; San Diego, CA
Scott Peters; City Councilman; San Diego, CA
Toni Atkins; City Councilmember; San Diego, CA
Ron Gonzales; Mayor; San Jose, CA
Gavin C. Newsom; Mayor; San Francisco, CA
Larry Stone; Assessor; Santa Clara County, CA
Barbara Matthews; Assembly Member; Tracy, CA
Barbara Yamrick; Regional Tranportation District Director; Aurora, CO
Doug Milliken; Treasurer; Centennial, CO
Abel J. Tapia; State Representative; CO
Alice Borodkin; State Representative; CO
Alice Madden; State Representative; CO
Andrew Romanoff; State Representative; CO
Betty Boyd; State Representative; CO
Bob Hagedorn; State Senator; CO
Daniel Grossman; State Senator; CO
DeAnna Hanna; State Senator; CO
Fran Coleman; State Representative; CO
Jennifer Veiga; State Representative; CO
Joan Fitz-Gerald; State Senator; CO
Ken Gordon; State Senator; CO
Lois Tochtrop; State Representative; CO
Michael Garcia; State Representative; CO
Peter C. Groff; State Representative; CO
Rosemary Marshall; State Representative; CO
Sue Windels; State Senator; CO
Suzanne Williams; State Representative; CO
Terrance D. Carroll; State Representative; CO
Tom Plant; State Representative; CO
Val Vigil; State Representative; CO
Joe Rice; Mayor; Glendale, CO
Don Brown Jr.; City Councilman; Louisville, CO
Martin J. Heft; First Selectman; Chester, CT
Christopher Dodd; U.S. Senator; CT
Joe Lieberman; U.S. Senator; CT
John Larson; U.S. Representative; CT
Lewis J. Wallace; State Representative; CT
Eddie Perez; Mayor; Hartford, CT
Dannel P. Malloy; Mayor; Stamford, CT
James Shapiro; City Representative; Stamford, CT
Scott Slifka; Mayor; West Hartford, CT
Anthony Williams; Mayor; Washington, DC
Jack Markell; State Treasurer; DE
Patrica M. Blevins; State Senator; DE
Ruth Ann Minner; Governor; DE
Tom Carper; U.S. Senator; DE
Christopher Coons; Council President; New Castle Co., DE
Charles Potter; Council Member; Wilmington, DE
Bill Nelson; U.S. Senator; FL
Charlie Justice; State Representative; FL
David Aronberg; State Senator; FL
Eleanor Sobel; State Representative; FL
Jim Davis; U.S. Representative; FL
Loranne Ausley; State Representative; FL
Robert Henriquez; State Representative; FL
Rod Smith; State Senator; FL
Ron L. Greenstein; State Representative; FL
Steven A. Geller; State Senator; FL
Kenneth Welch; County Commissioner; Pinnellas County, FL
James Bennett; City Council; St. Petersberg, FL
Earnest Williams; City Councilman; St. Petersburg, FL
Richard Kriseman; City Council Chairman; St. Petersburg, FL
Shirley Franklin; Mayor; Atlanta, GA
Cathy Cox; Secretary of State; GA
David Scott; U.S. Representative; GA
Mark Taylor; Lieutenant Governor; GA
Michael L. Thurmond; State Labor Commissioner; GA
Thomas Irvin; Commissioner of Agriculture; GA
Thurbert Baker; State Attorney General; GA
Ed Case; U.S. Representative; HI
Som Baccam; School Board Member; Des Moines, IA
Brian Quirk; State Representative; IA
Dolores Mertz; State Representative; IA
Geri Huser; State Representative; IA
Janet Petersen; State Representative; IA
Kevin McCarthy; State Representative; IA
Matt McCoy; State Senator; IA
Michael L. Fitzgerald; State Treasurer; IA
Pat Murphy; State Representative; IA
Patty Judge; Secretary of Agriculture; IA
Philip Wise; State Representative; IA
Polly Bukta; State Representative; IA
Romanie Foege; State Representative; IA
Sally Pederson; Lieutenant Governor; IA
Steven Warnstadt; State Representative; IA
Swati Dandekar; State Representative; IA
Tom Miller; Attorney General; IA
Tom Vilsack; Governor; IA
Wendy Jaquet; State House Minority Leader; ID
Duane E. Little; Assessor; Shoshone Co., ID
Debra Powell; Mayor; East St. Louis, IL
Daniel W. Hynes; State Comptroller; IL
Jefferey Schoenberg; State Senator; IL
John A. Fritchey; State Representative; IL
Kevin McCarthy; State Representative; IL
Melissa Bean; United States Representative; IL
Rahm Emanuel; U.S. Representative; IL
Carol Spielman; County Board Member; Lake County, IL
Robin Johnson; Alderman; Monmouth, IL
John Fernandez; Mayor; Bloomington, IN
Graham Richard; Mayor; Fort Wayne, IN
Daniel Grimes; City Council; Goshen, IN
Evan Bayh; U.S. Senator; IN
Jonathan Weinzapfel; State Representative; IN
Peggy M. Welch; State Representative; IN
Bart Peterson; Mayor; Indianapolis, IN
George Van Til; Surveyor; Lake County, IN
Annie Kuether; State Representative; KS
Dennis Moore; U.S. Representative; KS
Kathleen Sebelius; Governor; KS
Ben Chandler; U.S. Representative; KY
Jonathan Miller; State Treasurer; KY
Bill Cegelka; City Council Member; Lexington, KY
Donald Jones; Council Member; Jefferson Parish, LA
Charlie Melancon; United States Representative; LA
Eric LaFleur; State Representative; LA
Karen R. Carter; State Representative; LA
Mary Landrieu; U.S. Senator; LA
Michael Jackson; State Representative; LA
Robert Faucheux; State Representative; LA
Eugene M. Sellers; Vermillion Parish Engineer; Lafayette, LA
David Ragucci; Mayor; Everett, MA
Barry R. Finegold; State Representative; MA
Charles A. Murphy; State Representative; MA
John Kerry; U.S. Senator; MA
Marc R. Pacheco; State Senator; MA
Richard Moore; State Senator; MA
Therese Murray; State Senator; MA
Martha Coakley; District Attorney; Middlesex County, MA
Helen Holton; City Council Member; Baltimore, MD
Keiffer Mitchell Jr.; City Councilman; Baltimore, MD
Martin O'Malley; Mayor; Baltimore, MD
Douglas F. Gansler; State's Attorney for Montgomery Co.; MD
J. Joseph Curran; State Attorney General; MD
Samuel Rosenberg; State Delegate; MD
Doug Duncan; County Executive; Montgomery County, MD
John Richardson; State Representative; ME
Lisa Tessier Marrache; State Representative; ME
Thomas Hickner; County Executive; Bay County, MI
Kwame Kilpatrick; Mayor; Detroit, MI
Bill McConico; State Representative; MI
Debbie Stabenow; U.S. Senator; MI
Gilda Z. Jacobs; State Senator; MI
Jennifer Granholm; Governor; MI
Gregory Pitoniak; Mayor; Taylor, MI
Ann H. Rest; State Senator; MN
Debra Hilstrom; State Representative; MN
Steve Kelley; Senate Majority Whip; MN
Randy Kelly; Mayor; St. Paul, MN
Jeff Harris; State Representative; MO
Russ Carnahan; U.S. Representative; MO
Sharon Sanders Brooks; State Representative; MO
Darlene Green; City Comptroller; St. Louis, MO
Charles F. Tooley; Mayor; Billings, MT
John Morrison; State Auditor; MT
Max Baucus; U.S. Senator; MT
Beverly Perdue; Lieutenant Governor; NC
Bob Etheridge; U.S. Representative; NC
David Price; U.S. Representative; NC
Michael Easley; Governor; NC
Mike McIntyre; U.S. Representative; NC
Richard H. Moore; State Treasurer; NC
Roy A. Cooper III; Attorney General; NC
Byron Dorgan; U.S. Senator; ND
Harvey D. Tallackson; State Senator; ND
Kent Conrad; U.S. Senator; ND
Ben Nelson; U.S. Senator; NE
Lee Hammond; State Representative; NH
Lou D'Allesandro; State Senator; NH
Peter Sullivan; State Representative; NH
Steve Marchand; City Councilman; Portsmouth, NH
Louis Magazzu; Freeholder; Cumberland County, NJ
Michael J. Wildes; Mayor; Englewood, NJ
Glen D. Gilmore; Mayor; Hamilton, NJ
Rush Holt; U.S. Representative; NJ
Peter Voros; Mayor; Pittsgrove Township, NJ
David Lindenmuth; Councilman; Woodstown Borough, NJ
Alfred Park; State Representative; NM
Bill Richardson; Governor; NM
Tom Udall; U.S. Representative; NM
Shelley Berkley; U.S. Representative; NV
Adolfo Carrion; Borough President; Bronx, NY
David Yassky; City Councilmember; Brooklyn, NY
Allen Jay Gerson; Council Member; New York City, NY
Eva Moskowitz; City Council Member; New York City, NY
Brian Higgins; U.S. Representative; NY
Carolyn McCarthy; U.S. Representative; NY
Eliot Engel; U.S. Representative; NY
Eliot Spitzer; State Attorney General; NY
Gregory Meeks; U.S. Representative; NY
Hillary Clinton; U.S. Senator; NY
Joseph Crowley; U.S. Representative; NY
Malcolm A. Smith; State Senator; NY
Sam Hoyt; State Assemblymember; NY
Steve Israel; U.S. Representative; NY
Barbara Blanchard; County Legislator; Tompkins County, NY
Paul Clark; Town Supervisor; West Seneca, NY
Andrew Spano; County Executive; Westchester Co., NY
David Pepper; City Council; Cincinnati, OH
Jane Campbell; Mayor; Cleveland, OH
Charleta B. Tavares; City Council Member; Columbus, OH
Michael Coleman; Mayor; Columbus, OH
Daniel Brady; State Senator; OH
Eric Fingerhut; State Senator; OH
David Braddock; State Representative; OK
Robert Butkin; State Treasurer; OK
W.A. Drew Edmondson; State Attorney General; OK
Alan C. Bates; State Senator; OR
Darlene Hooley; U.S. Representative; OR
Dave Hunt; State Representative; OR
David Wu; U.S. Representative; OR
Ryan Deckert; State Senator; OR
James S. Gregory; City Councilman; Bethlehem, PA
Timothy Scott; Council Member; Carlisle Borough, PA
Jamie Fleet; City Councilman; Gettysburg, PA
Stephen Reed; Mayor; Harrisburg, PA
Michael Golden; Borough Council Member; Jenkintown, PA
Matthew Mangino; District Attorney; Lawrence Co., PA
Ruth Damsker; County Commissioner; Montgomery Co., PA
Keith Mulvihill; Commissioner; Mt. Lebanon, PA
Allyson Schwartz; U.S. Representative; PA
Constance Williams; State Senator; PA
Dan B. Frankel; State Representative; PA
Ed Rendell; Governor; PA
Jennifer Mann; State Representative; PA
Lisa Boscola; State Senator; PA
Mark Cohen; State Representative; PA
Michael A. O'Pake; State Senator; PA
T.J. Rooney; State Representative; PA
Michael Nutter; City Councilman; Philadelphia, PA
Twanda Carlisle; Council Member; Pittsburgh, PA
William Peduto; City Councilmember; Pittsburgh, PA
Jules Mermelstein; Township Commissioner; Upper Dublin, PA
John Brenner; Mayor; York, PA
Kenneth McClintock; State Senator; PR
Matt Brown; Secretary of State; RI
Joe Riley; Mayor; Charleston, SC
Doug Echols; Mayor; Rock Hill, SC
Douglas Jennings Jr.; House Democratic Leader; SC
James Smith; House Democratic Leader; SC
Stephanie Herseth; U.S. Representative; SD
Tim Johnson; U.S. Senator; SD
Brenda Barger; Mayor; Watertown, SD
Carol Chumney; Council Member; City of Memphis, TN
Rosalind Kurita; State Senator; TN
Harold Ford; Jr. ; U.S. Representative, TN
Kenneth Shetter; Mayor; Burleson, TX
Elizabeth G. Flores; Mayor; Laredo, TX
Sergio De Leon; Constable; Tarrant County, TX
Charlie Gonzalez; United States Representative; TX
Gonzalo Barrientos; State Senator; TX
Michael Villarreal; State Representative; TX
Karen Hale; State Senator; UT
Karen Morgan; State Representative; UT
Patrice Arent; State Senator; UT
Ralph Becker; State Representative; UT
Sharon McDonald; Commissioner of Revenue; Norfolk, VA
Ray Davis; Registrar; Stafford County, VA
Bob Brink; Delegate; VA
Jim Moran; U.S. Representative; VA
Mark Warner; Governor; VA
Tim Kaine; Lieutenant Governor; VA
Viola Baskerville; State Delegate; VA
Ron Sims; County Executive; King County, WA
Richard Hildreth; Mayor; Pacific, WA
Aaron Reardon; Snohomish County Executive; WA
Adam Smith; U.S. Representative; WA
Brian Baird; U.S. Representative; WA
Ed Murray; State Representative; WA
Jay Inslee; U.S. Representative; WA
Lynn Kessler; State House Democratic Leader; WA
Maria Cantwell; U.S. Senator; WA
Patricia Lantz; State Representative; WA
Rick Larsen; U.S. Representative; WA
Ross Hunter; State Representative; WA
Zach Brandon; City Councilmember; Madison, WI
Herb Kohl; U.S. Senator; WI
Jeffrey Plale; State Senator; WI
Jim Doyle; Governor; WI
Ron Kind; U.S. Representative; WI
Evan Jenkins; State Senator; WV
John Unger II; State Senator; WV
Thomas Campbell; State Delegate; WV

[MelissaB]

100. Wow! Thanks for doing this.

:yourock: I'm going to copy this into a word document for future use.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

122. So does DLC consider 'liberals' to be a greater threat than Repubs?

And just what is a "New Democrat" anyway? Is that like a Republican?

Help me out here.

[flyarm]

128. "Ultimately, it is success in winning such offices,

they have got to be kidding!!!!!!!!!:puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad:

who has lost us more seats and allowed our elections to be stolen...

those fuckers!

fly:wtf: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Maestro]

133. Asswipes.

Since when did liberal and Democrat not go together? They need to just start calling themselves repukes and be done with it. Dean is the head of the only Democratic Party I know.

[globalvillage]

136. The article is five years old.

And was written by one person. Some perspective, please?

[bpilgrim]

140. there have been many others, just like it, from the TOP DLC leadership

over the years, right up to the present.

if you gotta star search DU, tons of excellent info on how they have sold out to corps.

:hi:

peace

[globalvillage]

143. I've read much of it.

I don't believe the DLC is either all good or all bad. It's membership is fairly diverse, if mostly moderate by DU standards. This post, however, is based on a five year old article written by one person.

Here's something from two days ago that sounds OK to me:

"We have to go out and fight for the real issues that make a difference in the lives of the American people and we don't need some great lurch to the right or lurch to the left or redefinition of the Democratic Party," the Massachusetts Democrat said. "The last thing America needs is a second Republican Party."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/20/john.kerry.ap/index.html

[bpilgrim]

150. "Some perspective, please?"

they have a HISTORY of demonizing liberals, right from the TOP.

i am all for them changing their tune and i am sure a lot of members are to boot ;->

:hi:

peace

[globalvillage]

155. I am only commenting on the fact

that this post is based on a five year old article written by one person. I'm not defending everything the DLC has ever done. Not condemning it either, some of the DLC are liberals and always have been.
IMO, you're right regarding some, though. Peace back atcha.

[bpilgrim]

156. likewise

:hi:

peace

[rman]

166. Would it be on the DLC website if it were not representative

of DLC views?
Is there any indication the DLC has changed its goal of de-liberalizing the Dem party?

[Nothing Without Hope]

139. It's not jut the GOP that has mutated beyond recognition. JFK Jr once

said that 95% of the GOP congress members are corrupt and 75% of the Dem ones. I do believe he is right.

Here's the January DU thread where I heard about the 95%/75% quote:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2999611
Thread title: RFK,Jr. says 95% of reps and 75% of dems are corrupt

[Al-CIAda]

160. .

[Mythsaje]

164. I consider the DLC

(now that I understand who and what they are) to be the real source of voter frustration and apathy with 'politics as usual' and the reason many people see no real difference between the parties.

There is very little difference between the Republicans and the DLC and only an idiot or an ignoramus would vote for a DLCer before a Republican thinking they're getting something different.

I despise the corporate interests in congress and think the DLC agenda is a betrayal of everything Democrats have stood for since the days of FDR.

Now where did I leave that time machine? I have to jump back and grab Teddy Roosevelt to come forward and kick their asses into gear.

:evilgrin:

[Lerkfish]

168. let's get down to brass tacks, shall we>?

I don't know everything, but I DO know the DLC, in their own words and actions, have declared war on liberal democrats. They constantly chide us to be more conservative in order to "win" elections. Here at DU, I've witnessed them telling us to abandon gay rights and abortion as issues if we want to be "electable".

IMHO, this is bass-akwards. The voters should determine who represents them, not the would be representatives telling voters how to more effectively elect them by abandoning their issues.

In other words, instead of hoping to represent a constituency by ASKING them how they feel on certain issues, They attempt to dictate to a constituency how they should change their view on issues so that the candidate can be elected.

ok...let's say we do that, and the candidate gets elected. WHO BENEFITS? not the constituency, because they've already sacrificed whatever issue they felt was important. What do they get in return? THE SAME PEOPLE who told them to abandon their issues in power. How does that benefit the constituency? the answer is, it doesn't. It only benefits the DLC candidates directly and their corporated sponsores indirectly. It benefits the voter NOT AT ALL. The voter is left with a candidate who votes WITH the republicans and the corporate sponsors on issues that the voters would prefer they didnt.

LETS BE HONEST DLC:

instead of floating the "electability" argument, why don't you be real honest with us?

"We want to get our DLC candidates elected. Since you outnumber us in the party, we need you to change yourselves in order for that to happen. Hand-picked DLC candidates have lost the last several elections (diebold notwithstanding) because not enough of YOU have come around to our way of thinking. We have the corporate handlers in our pocket, but we can't return their sponsorship by passing legislation that benefits corporations unless you, the little people, abandon you pesky liberalism and get in line. Until you completely sacrifice what's important to you, we can't get what's important to us. We don't represent YOU, we represent our corporate handlers. See how we've brought all their money to the campaign? That's doesn't come without strings. They expect a quid pro quo on their investment, and you liberals are standing in the way of that. And, if you DON"T come to heel, we will attack you publicly through our representatives for being unpatriotic. doesn't that want you to come to our side, our repeated attacks on you liberals?
Here's the deal: elect us and we promise to not listen to you or your issues. Sound fair? It does to us!"

[MadHound]

169. So, does anybody out there now doubt

That we are living in a two party/same corporate master system of government? New Dems and the DLC have hijacked the Democratic Party and are using it to further the interests of their corporate masters. Sure, they might talk a good liberal game, but when the rubber meets the road, the only people these asswipes are looking out for is their corporate masters.

Meanwhile the leftist, liberal base is marginalized ever further, are slammed as being too far out there(though polls show otherwise), are demonized or ignored, except for when elections roll around and their votes are needed. Then we on the left are expected to march in lockstep with these New Dems, right over the cliff.

Sorry, but it is time to do one of two things. Either kick these corporate toadys out of the party, each and every one, or to abandon the Democratic Party to its fate, and instead embrace a party that truly fights for liberal ideals, and that takes no corporate cash, the Greens.

But we simply cannot continue on the suicidal path that we're on. The more we support the current Democratic party as is, the deeper we dig our own graves. It is time for real change in this country, not the faux change promised by the New Dems and DLC.

[Dora]

170. Those assholes. n/t

[LincolnMcGrath]

171. DLC are a minority here on DU as well as in the Party

Poll results
Start purging DLC now (93%) Vote
Run them out after the Bush gang out (5%) Vote
let them fade away naturally (2%) Vote

[JNelson6563]

178. And they don't swarm effectively

so their minority is evident. :toast:

[tgnyc]

172. Still waiting for the DLC to produce

that "continuing hold on the presidency" they dream about. They couldn't beat the most beatable ignoramus in either of the last two elections.

[Skidmore]

173. Can we say "Fifth Column"?

Traitors running the country. And traitors running the Dem party.

[JHB]

176. To help fight the DLC takeover of the party, look at the "Pacifica Coup"..

...and how the Pacifica Radio Network was saved from a corporatist takeover in 2000/2001. The DLC isn't the "corporate takeover", so analyse past successes. Not everything will work, but it shows the importance if standing up and fighting it.

For a quick primer written during the crisis (a rebuttal of corporatist talking points published in Z-Magazine):
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_2_61/ai_72274469

"Taking his points in order:

Schubb: "Myth: There has been a corporate takeover of the Pacifica National board." To which Schubb responds: "Reality. Untrue. Pacifica's board is little different than any other progressive nonprofit. There is no corporate influence or formal corporate presence on the board."

REAL REALITY: There was a Pacifica board coup in 1999, as the board changed the bylaws to make itself completely self-selecting (see also #8 below). The claim that there is no "formal corporate presence" hides behind the word "formal." Businessmen in real estate and accounting, a home-construction industry lobbyist, a financial entrepreneur and a member of a corporate law firm with a specialty in union busting have been brought onto the board by the dominant control group and have been present and active. A New York banker was proposed by the management in 2000 but decided to withdraw because of the controversy.

On the alleged absence of corporate influence, control groups on boards make overall policy, and enforce them not by board orders but through hirelings. Thus a WBAI is overhauled and dissidents are fired by people like Utrice Leid and Bessie Wash who are selected by the dominant members of the board to do the designated work.

On the alleged absence of Pacifica's difference from other non-profits, the Sierra Club's board is elected by members. State ACLU chapters select their boards and national representatives via member elections. Popular/professional organizations like the American Historical Association elect their president and council by member elections. Pacifica's board of directors now selects itself, and it recognizes nobody else as having a formal binding role in governance."
----more at link-----


An Index of links on the topic:
http://www.diymedia.net/links/lhistpcrisis.htm

[Al-CIAda]

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[Al-CIAda]

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[Al-CIAda]

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[Walt Starr]

182. We have a word in these parts for DLC Democrats

Republicans.

[Past_World_Doubt]

183. So that's why they wanted Diebold and ES&S....

All makes perfect sense. I hate the DLC and will never vote for anything DLC.