Is anyone else watching "CNNI Presents" ?

[Solly Mack]

They're airing "'Dead Wrong' -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown"

link to earlier article regarding some comments made during the show

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/index.html


They are basically laying out, quite plainly, how the Bush Regime ignored actual intelligence in favor of anything and everything they could use to back their "Must invade Iraq" case.

They've shown footage of Bush, Rummy, Cheney, Powell and Rice saying one thing - and proving how and why they were lying when they said it.

Lots of interviews with former CIA, cabinet members, and other intel people.

As well as Durbin.

[still_one]

1. a little late aren't they

[Solly Mack]

2. way late...but the footage alone is worth taping

[Bluebear]

3. This will be on CNN-US tonight at 8pm eastern time

It looks like a stunning piece. I wonder how it got by CNN management?

[Solly Mack]

4. I was asking myself the same thing. Because it's very telling

This is a MUST watch...and a MUST tape.

[Cush]

6. *'s bad poll numbers

so CNN says ok, "lets look like we're doing our job"

[longship]

11. Excellent, Prime Time!!

Somebody start a thread!!!

[KC21304]

14. Thanks. I didn't know the time and tried to Tivo it

under title " Dead Wrong " and nothing showed up. That would be 7pm my time. Do you know how long it is ?

[Solly Mack]

15. It just went off here and I caught the last half..so maybe a hour?

[MuseRider]

5. Really? Hmmmm

I was not planning on watching it. I figured it would just be there to prove BushCo innocent of anything. Hmmmmm. I may have to tune this one in.

[Solly Mack]

7. Oh, I'm not saying some aren't spinning the info...but truly..watch it

because they show footage of them saying one thing, then claiming they meant it a different way...and in between interviewing people who blow the lid off...

[MuseRider]

10. Thank you my friend.

I really would have missed this if not for you.

[babylonsister]

8. It hasn't been aired in the US yet but I am looking

forward to it.

[Solly Mack]

9. I'm taping it just for the actual footage of the speeches by the Bush

Regime...

but it's really good.

[Arkansas Democrat]

12. I hope it gets as much

air time as "A Flyboy's Story"! God I got so tired of seeing that being re-aired every weekend for an eternity!

When is Bush going to be back to the White House??

[Solly Mack]

13. No kidding!

Well, it's over now..I caught it halfway through...but if for nothing else, the footage is worth seeing again...

[WiseButAngrySara]

16. You bet I'm watching it! Late or not. I thought that they'd be trying to

pin ALL of the blame on Tenet and intelligence, but from the BRIEF excerpt I heard on Wolf Blitzkrieg a while ago, my impression is the opposite.

[Solly Mack]

17. It basically said if you disagree with Bush, you're gone

regarding intelligence...and that's VERY telling.

[WiseButAngrySara]

28. I had it on in the background, and had already made my mind up about

the probable content, but I was going to view it anyway, and then heard a portion of an interview with (?) someone who had been under Tenet, and he said that George and Powell had been good friends, but when he kept telling Powell that there was no evidence for WMD's, and Powell kept ignoring him, the friendship cooled, saying in effect, once or twice, maybe, but 4 or 5 times? Also very telling, IMO is Powell's recent confession about his biggest mistake...

It should be good. Let's keep this kicked, because many might be as cynical as I am, and not watch! I'll be watching at 9:00.

[Solly Mack]

31. I had it on in background too! and then went "What???????!!!!"

so paid more attention...I'm gonna to catch the replay so I can tape the entire show.

[WiseButAngrySara]

33. LOL!!! Me too! Except I was watching CNN Late Edition...can't wait to see

the entire documentary. Maybe someone here will start a thread. TU again for the post.

[JaneGat]

18. A good night for documentaries - Thanks for the report

I just heard there's also a 2-part documentary on National Geographic, part 1 tonight (airing after the CNN report on NGeo), called "Inside 911". NG claims its airing unreported information, and will have interviews with Coleen Rowley and other whistle-blowers.

[Solly Mack]

20. It ended on kind of a weak note, I have to admit

asking if Negroponte will tell the truth to Bush and if he does, will he too be gone (cause Bush gets rid of those who disagree with him)

I mean, come-on...Negroponte tell the truth? Not likely.

[leftchick]

19. crap! I just missed it.

I can't watch or tape it tonight because we are having a Six Feet Under party.

:(

[Solly Mack]

21. Arg! I can't get Six Feet Under here yet...

I miss that show!!!! :(

Maybe they'll replay again on another day. (CNN Presents, that is)

[leftchick]

22. Tonight is the very last episode.

forever. :(

I do know that the first 4 seasons are on DVD now.

I certainly hope CNN replays it. Over and over like that ghw bush/zahn interview. :puke:

[Solly Mack]

29. I've seen them all but this last season..and I bought the DVD's as they

came out...but still :( gone forever.damn

[SoCalDem]

23. I wonder if they will re-run and ballyhoo it like they did with FLYYYYYBOY

:evilgrin:. It shows up on my preview thing as "CNN Presents"..

[Solly Mack]

26. Maybe they will...but I doubt it. Kind of like their Rumsfeld's War

show...it aired once I think- but it was excellent.

[europegirl4jfk]

35. CNNi already aired it three times

Yesterday afternoon, then later last night and tonight. I watched it twice and I agree, it's really very well done.

[Solly Mack]

37. I missed it the other times, darn it! I caught the 7 PM showing

Will they air it again later tonight? I only got half on tape.

[europegirl4jfk]

40. I don't know but it's possible

They often do reruns of this stuff during the night when it's actually daytime in Asia or so.

[Solly Mack]

41. Thanks! Good. I'll stay up a little later to see.

[knowbody0]

24. im betting it's psy op

to take the blame off george, and lay it all on Intel

[SeveneightyWhoa]

25. Maybe you should read the rest of the thread..

..and you'd see that that's not the case.

[Solly Mack]

27. Like I said in another post - there is some spinning by people BUT

the footage of the Bush Regime lying and then the Bush regime explaining away "what they really meant" is well worth the watch - if only to tape it yourself in order to have the quotes handy to debunk right winger speak

[rocktivity]

30. They didn't just ignore the real intelligence--they fabricated their own

and then forced it down everyone's throats.

Yes, they were "lying when they said it," but the real point is, they KNEW they were lying when the said it. If the program circumvents coming to that conclusion, it's nothing more than revisionist propaganda.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Solly Mack]

32. Yes, it brings that up too

but you do have some spinning away from that

I watched it for the footage of the speeches the Bush Regime gave -like Cheney on August 26, 2002 stating that Iraq had WMD and they had proof...but then intel guys being interviewed coming right after him and saying..NO.

[Skip Intro]

34. kick

[robertpaulsen]

36. Anyone who watched this - Did they mention WHIG or OSP?

If not, then CNN deliberately dropped the ball. The truth is out there. Unfortunately, "investigative journalism" seems to be an oxymoron with MSM.

[Solly Mack]

38. Yes, they mention WHIG

I only caught the last half really.

[robertpaulsen]

39. Well, that's a start.

I hope they interviewed Karen Kwiatkowski. I'll try to check it out tonight.

[RamboLiberal]

42. BTW US viewers CNN will air it at 8PM and 11PM tonight

That was in the original article I posted Friday that is still on LBN with 180+ responses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1712485

[Solly Mack]

43. Thank you!!!!

You get to hear the quote from the article and a bit more from Col. Lawrence Wilkerson.

All in all, it has some interesting things in it.

[Peace Patriot]

44. Yeah, it sounds like something is definitely up, what with the Fitzgerald

investigation, Bush approval rating tanking in the 30's, and CNN telling the truth (or some of it). Hm-m-m. Wonder what it is. I think maybe they need to put a War Democrat in there to straighten out the colossal mess Bush and them have made of everything, to run a better war in the Middle East, to get a draft, and to manage the breadlines (and maybe put down the riots). Any given Democrat--even the worst of them, from our point of view--is more competent than these bozos, who are only good at lying, and seem to have collapsed in that department as well. Then, when the War Democrat has extended the war profiteering for four more years, and doesn't really straighten much of anything out--just keeps those tax dollars shoveling off to Buffalo the way they have been--and maybe, with a tighter "I feel your pain" squeeze on the poor, even creates a little surplus they can come in and loot, they'll kick the War Democrat out and give us Jeb.

Nothing's going to change until we throw Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia voting machines (and all their ilk--with the secret, proprietary programming code, owned by Bushites) into 'Boston Harbor' and start counting people's votes for real once again.

Mark my words. War Democrat shoved down our throats, on a promise to "bring the troops home" some time or another, and NOT to loot Social Security.

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Best solution: Paper ballots, hand-counted at the precinct level. (They do it in Canada in one day--but speed should not even be a consideration, only accuracy and verifiability.)

or, at the least...

Paper ballot (not "paper trail") backup of all electronic voting, a 10% or better automatic recount, very strict security and NO SECRET, PROPRIETARY PROGRAMMING CODE, and NO PARTISAN BUSHITE COMPANIES INVOLVED IN ANY WAY.

NOW!

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A little caveat: After the major looting by the rich and the illegal fascist wars during the Reagan junta, Bill Clinton--who didn't have much of a taste for fascist wars (a plus for him)--got elected on promises to, a) insure labor and environmental protections in NAFTA, GATT and the other free piracy agreements; b) regularize the status of gays in the Military, and c) pass a national health care plan. He was not long in office before all of these promises were broken and/or forgotten. You could blame the rightwing but I don't think so. I think the promises were just game-playing. Clinton was chosen by Time magazine (the Corporate Rulers). I remember it well. Nice photo, at the BEGINNING of the primaries. Just as they did with Schwarzenegger during the phony recall election (as if Schwarzenegger needed the publicity!). And Clinton--my guy, I voted for him, twice--was the one responsible for the outsourcing of millions of jobs, the loss of our manufacturing base, and the proliferation of sweatshops worldwide--as well as for increases in pollution and global warming. Not Bush. Clinton. By signing the trade agreements with NO labor or environmental protections. All Bush had to do, from the point of view of the super-rich, was to keep it all going--and destroy the last shreds of our internal U.S. corporate regulation. (--to which the Bush Cartel added war profiteering and slaughtering and torturing Arabs, and outing CIA agents; possibly fatal mistakes).

The caveat: Beware of Democrats in anti-Bush clothing. And get on that Diebold thing, my friends--NOW! We can't do anything about any of this until we restore our right to vote.

[Nothing Without Hope]

45. The CNN documentary “Dead Wrong” is now viewable ONLINE – here’s where:

The CNN documentary “Dead Wrong” is now viewable ONLINE – here’s where:

For those of you who, like me, don’t have cable TV, you can watch this important documentary ONLINE in its entirety. Links to the documentary video, in 10 parts, are posted in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2025050
Thread title: CNN - "DEAD WRONG" documentary on Iraq intelligence is posted ONLINE!!!

[Solly Mack]

46. Thank you !!!!!!!!

[rman]

47. Odd; they do mention "fixing intelligence around the policy",

which obviously is not an inteligence failure, but CNN titles it "intelligence meltdown".

[wishlist]

48. They showed Downing St. Memo and talked about fixing intelligence

The gist of the program was that Bush and Co were intent to go to war against Iraq so they went to the CIA to find some 'evidence' to use to prop up their case, even though they used unreliable and unsubstantiated claims as evidence while ignoring stronger evidence that Iraq was not a threat. Program shows how Bush, Cheney, Condi and Rumsfeld shamelesssly and boldy exaggerated and misled us in their statements. Program made it clear that Tenet was complicit to their scheme by knowingly allowing Bush and Co to politicize and cherry pick the intelligence without calling them on the deceipt and explained that he should have resigned rather than going along with Bush but chances are he would have been fired and forced out if he had not gone along with their campaign to invade Iraq.

The program needed to be 2 hours though in order to include Chalabi, Judith Miller, forged yellowcake documents and the Plame leak. But it was an excellent start to refresh everyone's memory of the way the Bush gang misled us about Iraq. It was very damning to both the White House and Tenet.

[Stand and Fight]

49. Bookmarking this for once I get home. n/t