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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:19 PM
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More about the Protest in Pittsburgh (the one with tasers, dogs, and mace)
OK, if you haven’t heard, a peaceful protest turned violent in Oakland yesterday when, according to Police Sgt. Clint Winkler, “one of the marchers grabbed a TV camera and damaged it and protesters then attacked an officer who tried to intervene.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05233/557445.stm At least that’s what the police are saying. Here's a link to some video of the incidents:

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/19803.php


Well, I’ve been doing some digging, I visited the protester's in front of the jail, and I talked with their leaders at their "new conference" today and there’s a vastly different story to tell.

Chronologically, it happened like this:

The Pittsburgh Organizing Group (POG) has been protesting the Oakland Recruiting Office (right in the center of the University of Pittsburgh campus) for a while. They planned their latest protest for Saturday Aug. 20 at 10:30 AM and advertised it on their website: http://www.organizepittsburgh.org. Here’s where it gets interesting. Unknown to POG, the folks at the far-right websites, specifically Little Green Footballs and Freerepublic.com caught wind of their plans. Here’s some of their posts:


24 Fight the Hypocrisy 8/16/2005 08:38PM PDT
I live less than an hour and a half from there and it just so happens that I have nothing else going on (surprisingly) this Saturday. It also just so happens that I have two large dogs. It doesn't "just so happen" that large dogs eat alot and therefore, ahem, excuse me, deficate alot, but that is what happens. But it does just so happen that I have right here a quite sizeable stack of brown paper lunch sacks. I'll be scooping and saving all week. While it may be true that Molotov cocktails would hurt alot more, I think my dungbombs will be much more satisfyingly humiliating.

The only thing I'm worried about now is telling my wife that I'm not going to be free on another Saturday after all.

#28 Baldy 8/16/2005 08:41PM PDT
They are meeting in Oakland, home to CERT, CMU and U of Pitt, MANY hospitals. It is moonbat central (actually, the entire East End, except for some "ethnic" neighborhoods - full of Catholics/blue collar workers). I live in Squirrell Hill, which is the wealthier part of town, which is a mix of professors, Jews - 50%, Russians, and assorted other immigrants. I emailed the police about this, since the last time they did this (earlier this year), the police didn't know about it beforehand, IIRC.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17082_None_Dare_Call_It_Sedition


To: LM_Guy
Well, since we know their protest route, I guess pelting them with tomatoes and eggs will be all the easier?

6 posted on 08/18/2005 8:15:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465898/posts


just thought freepers would like to know what the enemy is up to. (And remember -- the left supports the troops!)
Their site was down yesterday, but looks to be up at the moment. I've saved a screen shot of this page just in case.

1 posted on 08/18/2005 6:59:57 AM PDT by 68skylark

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465856/posts


I’ll let POG pick up the story of Saturday:


…. Prior to the start of the march, word was received that the
station wouldn’t be opening for the day due to the protests.

At 10:45am people began to march towards the Oakland Recruiting Station in order to celebrate this victory, ensure there was no chance of the station reopening that day, and to focus attention on the continuing demand for its closure. The march took over Forbes Avenue opposing traffic and met only limited police interference. Upon arrival, the march moved completely onto the sidewalk and blocked the doors to the center. Speakers from POG talked about the need to confront recruitment and the ongoing war in Iraq. More information on the overall campaign can be found at http://www.organizepittsburgh.org

As the speech finished, someone taped a cardboard sign to the stations door reading “No Lies Told Today, Recruitment Center Has Been Shut Down.”. At this point, a cameraman from Fox News shoved his camera into the face of a protester who was standing by the sign. When that individual asked that it be pointed somewhere else (instead of his face) the cameraman became aggressive. An altercation ensued at which point he started screaming to the cops to arrest people for assaulting his camera. Police from the City Of Pittsburgh and the University of Pittsburgh promptly began to attack the crowd on the sidewalk. The first person arrested (and according to the police, the person Fox is pressing charges against) was hit and pepper sprayed, during which time a cop held a taser two inches from his face. After that, a women in the crowd was grabbed, hit, pepper sprayed in the face while on the ground, and then tasered, all while three large cops stood around her. She is currently in the hospital and we are unsure of her condition. A male protester was also arrested, pepper-sprayed and tasered. An overwhelming police presence started ordering people to disperse from the sidewalk, and a police dog began pursuing people. Cops hit and shoved people, while the dog lunged forward and bit a 68-year-old grandmother who was walking away with her back to the dog. The police also let the dog bite a videographer, who narrowly avoided injury as the dog only got his pants. Further outrages occurred as the police grabbed a 17 year-old girl off the sidewalk and slammed her to the ground. Her crime? She questioned the legality of their earlier actions. Pepper spray also hit a group of children and the police knocked over a man in a wheelchair.
...

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/19793.php


So, according to POG and the Pittsburgh police, the whole police incident started with the “FOX TV cameraman”. Well, witnesses now say this “TV Cameraman” was, in reality, just a guy in a Fox News t-shirt holding an amateur VCR camera:


by a witness Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 11:50 PM

For clarification -- the camerman in question was wearing a "fox news" shirt, but was not directly working for him. Other TV crews identified him as a freelancer for Fox. His camera was not a pro camera like the other crews (DVCAM), but was a consumer-grade miniDV camera.

He also was aggressive and hostile towards the protestors from the beginning. I think it is likely that he wanted to provoke protestors so that he could give the cops an excuse to react violently.

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/19793_comment.php#19808


Putting one and one together, I think it’s highly likely the cameraman came to the protest with provocation on his mind and I find it extremely interesting that the police were waiting in force and used this “TV Newsman’s” shout as a signal to begin what can only be described as an excessive show of force.

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durutti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:29 PM
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1. No one did anything to his camera or attacked any cops. n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:01 PM
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4. As I said, the whole thing smells of "set up"... n/t
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 06:56 PM
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9. You are right. It has a foul smell.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:30 PM
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2. PS: According to Vincent, the leader of the jail protest...
Several of the real reporters on the scene told the police that the "Fox TV" guy started the thing, but the police refused to arrest him.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:40 PM
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3. Welcome to the AmeriKKKan Reich.
Enjoy your freedom to be a fascist, or else enjoy the nice camp they build for you..
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 05:59 PM
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5. Thank you for posting this, Junkdrawer.
I will send my letter to the mayor, etc. tomorrow. I think I may try to deliver McNeilly's personally.
This is a sad day for Pittsburgh and for democracy.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:01 PM
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16. Great letter, globalvillage.
"This is a sad day for Pittsburgh and for democracy."

Agree 200%
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:07 PM
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21. Thank you, blue.
I am adding the Pittsburgh Citizen Police Review Board to my distro.

:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 06:31 PM
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6. kick and nominated
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 06:43 PM
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7. Did you notice that the camera man was from FOX?
This does sound like a setup just to make sure this looked like a violent protest!

It apparently didn't work, but it's still BS!

Final result was that nothing happened to the camera man or his camera!!!!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:17 PM
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12. He was a freelancer in a FOX t-shirt
according to the last part of the post. Not an actual FOX employee. FWIW.

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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 06:51 PM
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8. Thanks for the report, Junkdrawer...
So we have provocateur cameramen now, eh? Well, whaddya know? I still vividly recall their little tripwire operation at 7th and William Penn on March 20, 2003. That was a doozy.

I won't soft-pedal it: as far as I'm concerned they are committing treason and fraud; as well as aiding and abetting fraud, treason and mass murder.

Nevertheless, that's a very good letter, globalvillage - I applaud you and hope you receive a reply.

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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:29 PM
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14. Thank you.
If I receive a reply, I will post it.

BTW, Junkdrawer, nominating.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 06:58 PM
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10. can civil suits be filed against that cameraman?
It would help if they could. I'm guessing no.

In any event, the provocateur tactics to provide pretexts for demonstration smashing are old, and figured prominently in the various WTO, FTAA, and RNC Convention demonstrations.

Videotaping the provocateurs would help a lot.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:16 PM
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11. PPS: The good Mrs. Junkdrawer is sending this out to DemocracyNow...
I'd be surprised if it's not covered Monday or Tuesday there. The Pittsburgh Campaign for DemocracyNow works closely with the Thomas Merton Center and POG is taking donations through the Thomas Merton Center.

http://www.thomasmertoncenter.org/
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:20 AM
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30. On Monday morning, DemocracyNow showed some of the video and...
read a brief statement by the police and the protesters. Here's hoping they do a followup later in the week.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:25 PM
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13. Excellent work, Junkdrawer.
I am so shocked that this happened here (I don't know why I'm shocked, just naive, I guess).

They had a report on WTAE at 6:00 today. They showed video of the woman being TASERED WHILE SHE WAS ON THE GROUND. I think everyone across the country should see the violence of the Pittsburgh police yesterday and their accomplices.

If I could nominate this 1,000 times I would, because this story is really significant.
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:10 PM
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17. I'd be shocked too, blue...
If I hadn't witnessed their shenanigans in 2003.

I'm anxious to hear any further reports as to how this was covered in local media.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:19 PM
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18. What Happened in '03?
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:28 PM
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23. I witnessed two incidents...
...that involved unwarranted provocation and force from Police. The big one (involving Pittsburgh Police):

Pittsburgh protest turns ugly as police arrest 122

and the little one (involving Edgewood Police):

Police pepper-spray protesters, arrest three

You see that woman? I was standing right there. I offered my half-drunk bottle of water to wash her eyes out.
_________

In yet another incident, the Pgh. Police put on a ridiculous show of force at a silent march, the only conceivable purpose of which was to intimidate:

Silent Marchers Mourn Dead in Iraqi War

I was 45 years old in 2003. At that time I naively assumed that the police acted impartially in the public interest. I was wrong.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:32 PM
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24. Wow.
I am slowly waking up to the truth. How sad.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 07:43 PM
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15. Kick
Very important story.
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:31 PM
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19. A MOST EXCELLENT job, Junkdrawer...
my compliments and a tip of the hat!

http://santorumcybergate.blogspot.com/
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:54 PM
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20. Thanks all. Besides the obvious (ahem) "over-reaction" by the police...
what would be even more disturbing is the idea that Freepers monitor us and direct the police our way. It's not proven yet, but, damn, I want it looked into.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:16 PM
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22. Junkdrawer, have you thought about sending this info
to Keith Olbermann? This seems like the kind of story that he likes to cover.

PM me if you want to send this info in other directions. I think it's important to get the word out.

I've already e-mailed some of the "Pittsburgh Protest" threads to people in FL, VA, and OH.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:37 PM
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25. Be my guest to send it far and wide...
As I said, I sent it to Amy Goodman for now, but AAR (especially Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy) might also be good.

As for MSNBC, I'm guessing even Keith might have trouble getting this by his bosses, but feel free to try.

Here's the edited email my wife sent out (warning DU clips links, so you'll need to rework the links):

Dear Ms. Goodman, Mr. Gonzalez, and Democracy Now! Staff,

If you haven’t already heard, a peaceful protest turned violent in the Oakland neighborhood of Pittsburgh yesterday when, according to Police Sgt. Clint Winkler, “one of the marchers grabbed a TV camera and damaged it and protesters then attacked an officer who tried to intervene.” http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05233/557445.stm

At least that’s what the police are saying. Here's a link to some video of the incidents:

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/19803.php

I did some digging, visited the protesters in front of the jail, and talked with their leaders at their "news conference" today and there’s a vastly different story to tell.

Chronologically, it happened like this:

The Pittsburgh Organizing Group (POG), an affiliate of the Thomas Merton Center, has been protesting the Oakland Recruiting Office (near the center of the University of Pittsburgh campus) for a while. They planned their latest protest for Saturday Aug. 20 at 10:30 AM and advertised it on their website

http://www.organizepittsburgh.org

Here’s where it gets interesting. Unknown to POG, the folks on the far-Right websites (specifically Little Green Footballs and Freerepublic.com ) caught wind of their plans. I have copied some of the posts from these right-wing websites for you. To clarify, when these folks use the term "they," it refers to the POG protesters. And "there" refers to the Oakland protest site:

From

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17082_None_Dare_Call_It_Sedition
..................................
24 Fight the Hypocrisy 8/16/2005 08:38PM PDT

I live less than an hour and a half from there and it just so happens that I have nothing else going on (surprisingly) this Saturday. It also just so happens that I have two large dogs. It doesn't "just so happen" that large dogs eat alot and therefore, ahem, excuse me, deficate alot, but that is what happens. But it does just so happen that I have right here a quite sizeable stack of brown paper lunch sacks. I'll be scooping and saving all week. While it may be true that Molotov cocktails would hurt alot more, I think my dungbombs will be much more satisfyingly humiliating.

The only thing I'm worried about now is telling my wife that I'm not going to be free on another Saturday after all.
..................................
#28 Baldy 8/16/2005 08:41PM PDT

They are meeting in Oakland, home to CERT, CMU and U of Pitt, MANY hospitals. It is moonbat central (actually, the entire East End, except for some "ethnic" neighborhoods - full of Catholics/blue collar workers). I live in Squirrell Hill, which is the wealthier part of town, which is a mix of professors, Jews - 50%, Russians, and assorted other immigrants. I emailed the police about this, since the last time they did this (earlier this year), the police didn't know about it beforehand, IIRC.
..................................
From
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465856/posts

just thought freepers would like to know what the enemy is up to. (And remember -- the left supports the troops!)

Their site was down yesterday, but looks to be up at the moment. I've saved a screen shot of this page just in case.

1 posted on 08/18/2005 6:59:57 AM PDT by 68skylark
..................................
To: LM_Guy

Well, since we know their protest route, I guess pelting them with tomatoes and eggs will be all the easier?

6 posted on 08/18/2005 8:15:56 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
..................................

I’ll let POG pick up the story of Saturday.

From
http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/19793.php
..................................
…. Prior to the start of the march, word was received that the station wouldn’t be opening for the day due to the protests.

At 10:45am people began to march towards the Oakland Recruiting Station in order to celebrate this victory, ensure there was no chance of the station reopening that day, and to focus attention on the continuing demand for its closure. The march took over Forbes Avenue opposing traffic and met only limited police interference. Upon arrival, the march moved completely onto the sidewalk and blocked the doors to the center. Speakers from POG talked about the need to confront recruitment and the ongoing war in Iraq. More information on the overall campaign can be found at http://www.organizepittsburgh.org

As the speech finished, someone taped a cardboard sign to the stations door reading “No Lies Told Today, Recruitment Center Has Been Shut Down.”. At this point, a cameraman from Fox News shoved his camera into the face of a protester who was standing by the sign. When that individual asked that it be pointed somewhere else (instead of his face) the cameraman became aggressive. An altercation ensued at which point he started screaming to the cops to arrest people for assaulting his camera. Police from the City Of Pittsburgh and the University of Pittsburgh promptly began to attack the crowd on the sidewalk. The first person arrested (and according to the police, the person Fox is pressing charges against) was hit and pepper sprayed, during which time a cop held a taser two inches from his face. After that, a women in the crowd was grabbed, hit, pepper sprayed in the face while on the ground, and then tasered, all while three large cops stood around her. She is currently in the hospital and we are unsure of her condition. A male protester was also arrested, pepper-sprayed and tasered. An overwhelming police presence started ordering people to disperse from the sidewalk, and a police dog began pursuing people. Cops hit and shoved people, while the dog lunged forward and bit a 68-year-old grandmother who was walking away with her back to the dog. The police also let the dog bite a videographer, who narrowly avoided injury as the dog only got his pants. Further outrages occurred as the police grabbed a 17 year-old girl off the sidewalk and slammed her to the ground. Her crime? She questioned the legality of their earlier actions. Pepper spray also hit a group of children and the police knocked over a man in a wheelchair. . .
..................................

So, according to POG and the Pittsburgh police, the whole police incident started with the “FOX TV cameraman.” Well, witnesses now say this “TV Cameraman” was, in reality, just a guy in a Fox News t-shirt holding an amateur VCR camera:

From
http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/19793_comment.php#19808
..................................
by a witness Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 11:50 PM

For clarification -- the camerman in question was wearing a "fox news" (sic) shirt, but was not directly working for him. Other TV crews identified him as a freelancer for Fox. His camera was not a pro camera like the other crews (DVCAM), but was a consumer-grade miniDV camera.

He also was aggressive and hostile towards the protestors from the beginning. I think it is likely that he wanted to provoke protestors so that he could give the cops an excuse to react violently.
..................................

Putting one and one together, I think it’s highly likely the cameraman came to the protest with provocation on his mind and I find it extremely interesting that the police were waiting in force and used this “TV Newsman’s” shout as a signal to begin what can only be described as an excessive show of force.

In fact when I spoke today to a man named Vincent, the leader of the jail protest, several of the real reporters on the scene told the police that the "Fox TV" guy started the thing, but the police refused to arrest him.

I hope that you will be able to shed some light on this event and to bring news of it to the rest of the world. We need to be mindful of the tactics used by those who would deny us our right to peacefully protest.

I am copying this e-mail to a man named Kenneth Miller (kennethalanmiller@yahoo.com) whom I met earlier today at the POG news conference. Mr. Miller is affiliated with the General Defense Committee of the Industrial Workers of the World. He is organizing a defense fund for the incarcerated protesters.


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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:48 PM
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26. Excellent!! n/t
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 09:50 PM
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27. From the site that can not be named, it shows that they will do anything
in order to silence dissent. Is this legal and doesn't it seem to be threatening? I put it here because it does surely fit this thread and it proves in abet a small way, they will stop at nothing, someone should contact Distressed American and make him aware he has been threatened...and I know they will read this, just so they know, such behavior is not only moraly wrong, it is downright evil, and I wish some people would wake up, these politicians don't care about us the little people, they urge this kind of behavior by condoning such actions by their imposed silence....we are one nation folks, we need to remember that, we need each other for better or worse, we don't always have to be in agreement for everything, wake up and realize that we are neighbors, countryman and such divisionary tactics being heraled as fun should not be acceptable, nor is it a very Christian attitude and I could care less if one believes it or not, you don't need to believe in religion to know wrong from right...grow up and quit hurting others and our country.

Today, 11:55 PM #11
Oracle
Newbie


Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: A Cave in the Pocono Mountains
Posts: 90 To DistressedAmerican: Greetings from the Oracle.

Is it not poetic justice that one of your own released your name on the Internet, and not some right-wing nut job?

Perhaps there are those that would enjoy nothing more than giving you the Walldude treatment solely for your political beliefs. My sincerest hope is that you are not ill-treated. Ah well, your identity is now in the public realm and there’s no telling what some people will do. The fame you sought might be paid for dearly.

By the way. I noticed in your profile when you were posting here on CU, you used the zip code for the university and not the one of your home. Did you consider this a part of your “perfesser” work?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:03 PM
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28. Pittsburghers: Anyone else reminded of the infamous Blue Knight incident?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 10:23 PM
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29. They just blew it
this is what turned the protests during the Vietnam protests...They got stronger and bigger...When other Americans see these things happening, they realize something is wrong.
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