If the CIA name flys - is it time to run Kucinich?

[Trek234]

Let's think about this... In all logical thought Bush should be screwed as it is come 2004.

Let us say, however, that this evolving scandal works out and people in the Bush admin are prosecuted. Surely Bush would stand a chance in hell (assuming he is still in office) of being elected in 04 after such an event.

This being the case - is it then an ideal time to run Kucinich? We may not have another chance to get a real liberal (and IMO a damn fine democrat/person) in to office again for a LONG time... say until the next major republican scandal.

Surely he would be able to pull a win in 2004 with even the greatest republican opposition. This could potentially be a great oppurtunity. Anyone think this would work out?

[JohnKleeb]

1. Its been time

The moment is now.

[Padraig18]

2. No

[Maple]

3. No

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[MuseRider]

4. He is running

so vote for him, send in your support. The movement is gaining some momentum. It has always been the time to run with Dennis Kucinich.

[Trek234]

5. By "run"

I mean have him be the Democratic candidate against Bush.

Yes, I am aware he is running now and can be voted for come primary time.

[MuseRider]

6. Sorry, I

did not mean to imply that you did not know. I was just making a statement. Yes, we should back him if we believe in what he says. I was just surprised to see this thread. Was wondering what one had to do with the other. I guess the implication is that he is not electable unless the shit really hits the fan? Is that it? I don't for one minute believe that. Is that what you meant?

[JohnKleeb]

8. I dunno what he means muse but that is so overused

Its not even funny. I dont like being told hes too liberal to win, well damnit maybe I should leave, I hate to complain about that matter, but if we cant pride ourselves on being liberals anymore, I dont get it. What we could do is amazing. Oh well, its a tough fight but no doubt the right one.

[MuseRider]

12. I hope you

and he did not thnk I was replying with anger. It kinds sounds that way when I read it again. Oops, I was really just trying to figure out what he meant. I have been noticing a tremendous amount of support here for DK. Even those who support other candidates are with him, at least to stay in because they like what he says. Don't get too frustrated. Things are getting exciting and he has only just begun.

[JohnKleeb]

14. I am not angry, I am starting to get more optomsetic

Its only just begun, It aint over, 1/3 can name a democratic candiate. Its obvious, its anyone's game.

[Trek234]

10. Personally I do not believe

that he is not electable - and I intend to vote for him in the primary.

However, you can't deny that a large number of Democrats do feel that he is unelectable.

I believe that if a scandal hits the Bush admin (and thus seriously weakens Bush's ability to win in 2004) most dems will see more candidates as "electable". In that case they may decide to vote for Kucinich in the primary rather than someone else.

That's really the intent of the thread - to see if more people (i.e. those who say he is "unelectable") would want Kucinich to run in such a situation.

[JohnKleeb]

13. yes

I also however am told "Bush will tear him to shreds" so lets give up without a clue of knowing whats gonna happen. Those right wing bastards are gonna do that to any candiate.

[MuseRider]

15. Thanks

I just responded to John with post 12. I was afraid I came across with anger and that was not intended. I think post 12 explains how I feel about this. Thanks for the explanation. I will be anxious to see the responses.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. Maybe you're right

I'm sure they will shoot Kucinich before he takes office, but it's now or never!

[JohnKleeb]

9. if they did

:cry: Yes the moment is now. I know its silly of me to say I am sick of waiting but what about the others who are more older than me. Ive had 4 wars in my young life, 4! I am sick of war, I wanna make war rare as can be. I want change, I want a candiate who appeals to the heart's desires, that candiate is Kucinich.

[Tinoire]

24. That's about what it boils down to for me

Never again will we have the opportunity to get someone as progressive in office.

During iffy elections, I am more than willing to vote for a Centrist but this time, people are so angry at Bush that we don't need to cater to swing voters. This election will boil down to pro-Bush or anti-Bush- why squander the opportunity?

And please... :shiver: don't even say that in jest- If any of our guys get shot that would be a tragedy... Wellstone's death was horrid enough.

[Kat 333]

31. Thanks

for the welcome Tinoire :hi:

"During iffy elections, I am more than willing to vote for a Centrist" - My thoughts exactly. This isn't looking like anywhere, near, an iffy election. People are over it ...

Perfect time to get a REAL democrat elected.

[Nederland]

11. Not a chance

This scandel is way too small to bring down Bush. The most that will happen is a few low level staffers are going to get sacked and no one will even remeber what happened by January 04, let alone Nov 04.

[Trek234]

22. There is talk Rove may go down

Since when is Rove a "low level staffer"?

Even if Bush doesn't do down it will hurt him BADLY. Remember this is the guy that campaigned on cleaning up "the Clinton mess".

[library_max]

16. Watch and see

Will the general population become enraged about the CIA scandal? I wouldn't be a nickel on it. Don't forget who controls the media (HINT - it ain't us). Bush's poll numbers are dropping, but that's only down into the range where there's some point in running against him. No way is the 2004 election going to be a sure thing for the Democratic nominee no matter who he/she is.

The country is full of people who read nothing and who don't pay attention, for whom Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 and the war in Iraq was necessary and George W. Bush is their President, case closed. And I'm not even talking about right-wingers, just about apolitical know-nothings. A lot of stupid people clasp Bush to their bosom because he is one of them.

Even if polls show Bush behind one or another of the Democratic front-runners, wait and see what effect his huge campaign finance advantage will have. Wait and see how effectively he can attack and smear his opponent. Wait and see how he'll use the advantage of the incumbency.

I'm not saying we can't win. I think we can. But it's naive to think that we have it in the bag and no longer have to concern ourselves with our nominee's electability.

[nolabels]

17. In truth the corporate media can only mangage, control and steer

They cannot really do anything about it when something really bad happens. I hope it don't but with the fools we have at the rudder now, who knows what happens

[Kat 333]

18. Scandal

or no scandal - people are sick of pres unelected and the repubs. This would, I agree, be time to back a REAL democrat. I'm so sick of this "new democrat" shit I could :puke:

[JohnKleeb]

19. exactly kat

[Tinoire]

26. Welcome to DU Kat333

:toast:

Exactly! The New Dems shit has got to go!

It doesn't make any sense to let them hijack this because their platform doesn't offer anyone a real choice.

They're only there to protect the corporations from over-zealous Democrats. Their real nightmare is Kucinich which is why they go out of their way to marginalize him and play down the polls where he ranks no 1 in popularity and political match-up with people.

They are trying to kill him with the media.

Dean is barely acceptable to them, not because he's progressive (because he's not) but because they can't control him and he will feel more beholden to the people than to corporations.

Peace

[tinnypriv]

20. Too slow

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=436358 ;-) :D

[Tinoire]

27. Ok- posted on your thread too ;) n/t

;)

[TroubleMan]

29. If we were true to what we say we believe in...

then we'd all vote for him (at least the large majority of DU). He represents everything DU stands for. Many of the other candidates represent a lot of what the majority of DUers believe in, but they all have some issue, which a good amount of DUers disagree with(hence the flame wars between the backers of Dean, Kerry, and Clark). Supposedly this "issue" that the candidate has a stance on, which is opposite of what a lot of DUers believe in, is what makes this candidate "electable." This "issue" or "issues" supposedly makes this candidate more mainstream.

To me, that's just crazy. I'll vote for the candidate that I don't totally agree with, but I won't vote for the candidate that I wholeheartedly agree with? ..... all because the right wingers (people who have a vested interest in not seeing Kucinich elected) tell me so.

To me, there's nothing wrong with any of the 10 candidates, except Lieberman, with whom I have major disagreements with. Clark, Dean, Kerry, and any of the others (except Joe L.) I feel would make a great president. However, Kucinich would just be better than any of them, because he truly represents what I believe in.

He's only unelectable because the right wing media will keep saying that, so even though a lot of people know the source is skewed, they will still go along with it out of fear.

I'm sorry, but Kucinich is the worst nightmare for every corporate crook, polluter, human rights abuser, and terrorist out there. He's the worst nightmare for every business or person who has used money, power, and influence to write legislation that they are affected by, so they can get away with bad things. He is the worst nightmare for every fox that is guarding the henhouse. These people, for whom DK is their worst nightmare, have a lot of money and power, and they are the ones who have you scared of Kucinich being "unelectable." Yes Clark, Dean, Kerry, and all of the others (except Joe) are all nightmares for the people listed above, but Dennis is their worst nightmare.

Notice ... I mentioned terrorists, too. A lot of right wingers won't get this, but the terrorists will know that you can't get away with terrorism anymore if you have large business deals with the US. Yes, Saudia Arabia, Al Qaeda, and The Carlyle Group - I'm looking at you. With the current regime, if you have major business deals, you get a pass on terrorist acts.

Kucinich is only unelectable because people keep saying "he's unelectable." There is no other reason other than the media has played this unelectable boogey-man trick with you. They've got you scared of the big bad bush, so you'll play it safe and not vote with your heart.

Once again, all but one of the candidates (Joe) represent A LOT of these things, but Dennis Kucinich is the epitome of this.

DON'T BE SCARED

[JohnKleeb]

32. TM youre sorry

You shouldnt be because that was kickass. It is true what you say, he does represent what most of us here believe in.

[Zorra]

21. Yes. Maybe

the American people will be ready to elect an honest, scandal free Democrat that has shown his long time dedication, knowledge of issues, great voting record (other than on women's choice legislation), and a platform that promises to reform government. A direct opposite of the current, undeniably crooked Resident.

[Booberdawg]

23. I don't think it would have any relevance whatsoever to a Kucinich run

[Loyal]

25. No

If the CIA name flys, run Kerry. Kerry has so much experience investigating scandals. Iran-Contra, anyone? Kerry-Graham

[Tinoire]

28. Loyal to the DLC to the end? Why?

Kerry won't get it because most of us are furious about his DLC affiliation and conduct regarding Iraq.

Had Kerry made a few different choices and listened to us when we begged and pleaded and faxed and called and marched... he would be number 1 right now but he blew it.

I'm not convinced at all that Dean would have done any different because he was pro-war and was even pro-Afghanistan war and pro-Iraq war (just wanted to wait 60 days) and his really informed supporters will admit that. His stance on Syria and Iran should, I think, cause a few people to pause but no one's making much noise about that except the Muslims who have a vested interest in confronting the truth.

Kerry totally blew it and doesn't have the luxury of saying "I would not have" so you can't even give him the benefit of the doubt. You can try to understand why he did but most of us are to angry about it to even try to understand because he was supposed to be representing us but he choose to ignore our protests.

So no- Kerry won't get it. The DLC can't push either of their boys down our throat which is why they went and shopped for a new one.

[xJlM]

30. And look where Iran-Contra went

Nowhere. Hell, my little brother thought Raygun/Bush were fully cleared in that.