CNN: Dead Wrong theory. CNN got a whiff of what Fitz is up to

[GreenPartyVoter]

with the Grand Jury and decided to jump on the bandwagon early.

Whaddaya think? Is there reason to hope?

Editing to add link to big thread on the show:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4417699

[still_one]

1. I am taping it, is it worth watching?

[napi21]

12. I watched parts, but am taping it too. Sure looks to me like watching!

The words at the very end were something like, it's up to the President how much power Negroponte has, and some of his imformation will fly in the face of the Sec of Defense and Sec of State. He'll have to make a decision.

I'm quite surprised at CNN with this program. I'm going to concentrate on the whole thing later when I play the tape.

[still_one]

20. thanks

[WiseButAngrySara]

38. Definitely worth watching...Many omissions, and it made B* look too

guileless and Tenet too responsible, but the end was actually the weakest part, IMO. Who do you think Negroponte will decide for? Only for the neocons; isn't he a PNAC member? And based on his past with the Iran/Contra affair...I tried to tape it and it didn't take for some reason. Hopefully I'll catch it on a re-run. (But I'm afraid this might be the last time its aired!)

[napi21]

40. I'm not sure about Negroponte. Remember, he's now head of the CIA

FBI & Homeland Security. I think there's a good chance he could side with them. Remember, Shrub is a lame duck with falling poll #'s. I watchid him and his testimony. I guess I could be fooled but I'm thinking he's going to stick with his people on this one.

[WiseButAngrySara]

42. I sincerely hope you're right! I'm glad you responded because I was

not certain about the info in my post; was going to check it out, and had to get off the comp. I might be mixing Negroponte with Iran/Contra, when I should have said Honduran Contras...memory might have failed me. If so, I apologize.

[JDPriestly]

2. What are you talking about?

Do you have a link?

[tjdee]

5. It's on CNN now, reshowing at 11pm.

nt

[H2O Man]

3. CNN knows

about Plame, about the neocon spy scandal, and -- perhaps most important in this situation -- that the US has lost the war in Iraq. Iran won. Bush/Cheney made a huge mistake.

[AuntiBush]

7. Help...

Are they asking the public to forgive them?
Tossing crumbs to those that have awoken?
Covering their butts?
Grabbing at Ratings?
Other?
All of the above?

[H2O Man]

15. I did not

see CNN yet; I'm basing my thoughts on what others said. But it reminds me, in a way, of the evening when at the end of the CBS news, Walter C. told the American people what was really happening in Vietnam. Surely that alone didn't "end" the war. But it marked a turning point, where politicians began to dare to break from the policy of death.

[0007]

29. If you watch "Democracy Now", Amy Goodman, you would have

seen most of those interviews, which only covered snips of what these folks indeed had to say. Carl Ford, Jr. Assistant Secretary of State. Col. John E. McLaughlin, Former Acting CIA Director. Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a longtime Powell adviser. Larry Johnson former CIA & David Kay. John Negroponte, the "Death Squad Master".

The voice over in MHO slanted toward junior and worked against the intelligence community.

Of course they never talked about John Bolton or the Plame leak. They certainly left out a whole lot of stuff. Like the DSM memos and the Joe Wilson's trip to Niger and his letter to the NY Times.

This was old stuff designed to take a little heat off junior and put it on George Tenet. Treason should have been the name of this mickey mouse documentary.

[Solly Mack]

8. I agree. Someone has read the writing on the wall.

[H2O Man]

26. The timing is curious.

A major republican calls it a Vietnam-like conflict. Republican politicians are going to turn on the administration.

[Solly Mack]

28. I saw some interviews w/ GOP Senators and they were all

speaking to what the folks back home were saying about Iraq - and aside from Lott, diehard that he is, they all pretty much said the people back home were upset.

Who do you support? Your own re-election or a President hell-bent on an unpopular war?

Iraq is a theocracy now (by law)...an Islamic theocracy at that. Bush's "base" isn't going to take to that too well....and those GOP Senators know it....not to mention that once people question the war-they start to question the "whys" and "hows"...and they look to blame.

[brettdale]

32. is something up?

Perhaps they did it to take attention away from Cindy?

[Solly Mack]

33. I think what's up is the GOP jumping ship

not all..but some..and distancing themselves from bush and iraq as quickly as possible.

Makes you wonder what else is coming...

[H2O Man]

48. Right.

I don't think it distracts attention from Cindy's camp in Texas. While it isn't a full embrace of the peace movement, it surely is a large step away from the Bush/Cheney position.

The idea of preparation for the 2006 elections is key. It is not as if the republicans in the House and Senate have suddenly become moral. They are prostitutes, and they will go whoring after whatever the riches and comfort that go with their office.

[FloridaPat]

9. We haven't lost yet. Just keep you eye on the oil well contract signature

line. Depends on what they do with their new constitution. If they'll sell the oil or not and to whom. That is the reason we're there. If we walk with the oil we won. That is the only thing you have to watch.

[H2O Man]

16. I do not think

that VP Dick "Dripping" Cheney and the Halliburton boys are going to be in a position to dictate prices. I agree that they can still make money, but not in the manner they anticipated.

[FloridaPat]

23. We're not talking prices. We're talking ownership. The plan is to

have US oil companies own the Iraqi oil wells. If the US doesn't get control of them, we could be in for some real interesting times. Does anyone think we'd get a drop of oil from them once we leave after shooting hundreds of thousands of them and contaminating their country with DU for all eternity?

[H2O Man]

25. Oh, I know that

is the plan. I agree with you fully on that. However, there is a new strain of nationalism sweeping across large sections of Iraq, and it is being fed by Iran. In this set of circumstances, which were not expected by the fools in this administration, it is becoming very unlikely that Halliburton & friends will control the oil resources for long. This type of nationalism does not view what is occuring as the working of the mighty American eagle, which was strong enough to prey on other nations at will a generation ago; rather, this is viewed as the Cheney-type of vulture capitalism that will be resisted.

[FloridaPat]

36. I just don't see * getting out without the oil. PNAC plan is to own all

of it. Maybe their plans would be to get out next year and get through the elections, invade Iran and just kind of take a step to the left while there and retake Iraq. But they have to take Iran in the spring. If oil prices are in Euros and all those economists are right about the dollar sinking to 0 against the Euro, * only choices are face 90% of a very upset American public with no economy or keep these invasions up for as long as they can.

[OzarkDem]

21. How could they not have known

it was a mistake when it was happening?

My guess is they're getting ahead of what's coming out of the Plame investigation AND may be ready to turn their support to Dems in hope of getting favorable treatment for their media merger agenda if Dems end up in power.

We have to watch our incumbent Dems carefully. Those who supported the war and feared calling Bush out are very likely to give the news media anything they want in exchange for a few scraps of media coverage.

Don't forget, it was DLC pressure and fast talking that pushed Clinton to make the mistake of relaxing media ownership restrictions and not pursuing re-establishment of the Fairness Doctrine.

[H2O Man]

24. Valid points.

I think that there may be a distinction between their knowing the administration was lying when they forced us into war, and knowing it was a mistake. They may hav believed the administration could benefit from the war, even if it were based on lies.

[flyarm]

46. think CNN=NOVAK!! cnn knows!!! and so do

hagel and trent lott..bad day today for the * cabal!!!!!!!!!

fly

[Dynasty_At_Passes]

49. Robert Novak is an AEI mole and a fascist.

Joe Wilson may be a neocon fascist spy (I don't know for sure) and there is alot going on behind the scenes. The Jury is convicting reporters....

[H2O Man]

52. " The Jury is convicting reporters ...."

Just curious what you are talking about? What jury has convicted what reporters? Do you know something that no one else does?

[lancdem]

4. I was just thinking that, too

It's like they have no fear of Rove anymore.

[Dr Ron]

11. Somebody snuck some real reporters into CNN. . .

while Rove wasn't watching

[spuddonna]

6. I read on the other thread that this was really good...

:( WAAA! I don't have CNN anymore!

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop watching MSM..."

[NightOwwl]

10. And Russ Feingold was a guest on Meet the Press today.

Are pigs flying?

:woohoo:

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. And out of whose bum?

[NightOwwl]

19. Bush and Cheney's, perhaps?

I hope it hurts. :evilgrin:

[Just Me]

14. They do seem to be getting ahead of the ball.

Perhaps, they are accepting the combination of pressures coming down on the administration: traitorgate, the spy scandal, the DSM "fixing intelligence around policy". Plus, the war is spiralling out of control and, I am certain they know of PNAC and anticipate the neoCONs willingness to exacerbate a situation which already endangers our own national security.

[immoderate]

17. And maybe CNN is coming out of denial.

--IMM

[leesa]

30. They aren't in denial. They are accomplices.

[immoderate]

39. Well, we just saw, they're not dependable accomplices.

--IMM

[peacetalksforall]

18. If the military pulls out - how do you keep an ambassador and PNAC

and Halliburton telling the Iraqis what to do? If your sisters and brothers and cousins were beat up by our young (if what is reported is true) and if you were tormented/tortured in a prison - and if you rotted in a jail waiting for a lawyer or taken to a tropical island to be kept in chicken coop conditions - who would you want to get the oil?

They blew it and we didn't even get a voice because our Dem leaders overwhelmingly gave it to them.

Thanks to our heroes who said no.

Why should we support Hagel or Clinton or Bayh or Biden or anyone else who is visiting New Hampshire and Iowa?

[HereSince1628]

22. This morning on one of the shows Sen Hagel said the dam has burst

on the War in Iraq.

Don't you suppose as a Washington Insider he knew what was coming?

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. One would think so

[brettdale]

31. we live in hope

Fingers and toes crossed.

[brettdale]

34. keep kicked

kick

[Independent_Liberal]

35. Kick!

[wli]

37. it's a whitewash to make it look like bungling instead of malice

Either that or pin all the error/malice/whatever on the CIA.

[GreenPartyVoter]

41. It does sound like **'s tired old story of blame the intel guys... but

I think maybe there's still hope. Those indictments will force a lot of stuff out into the open.

[Oilwellian]

44. I respectfully disagree

Granted, CNN could have gone into more detail about PNAC and this administration's plans to invade Iraq long before they even came to power. However, the report was quite explicit about the OTHER intelligence agencies such as the NSA, the State Dept intel and even intel from the energy department who vigorously disagreed with the OSP and Curve Ball and the unmentioned Chalabi. They also made it clear that Bush didn't call for an NIE before deciding to go to war, it was Congress who eventually did. What is most telling, and CNN included this in their piece, the NIE didn't find Iraq to be an imminent threat.

I'm reaching into cobwebs now insofar as the NIE is concerned. If I remember correctly, Bushco was manipulating the timing of the NIE and sent only a portion of it to the Senate Intel Cmte. for their perusal. Levin and another senator, can't remember who, protested over it being only a partial report and Bushco, with the help of Tenet, stonewalled the final report which included the other various agencies who found Iraq to be a non-threat. This happened only days before the vote for the Iraq Resolution giving Bush power to go to war.

So all of that leads you to a good question...who chaired the Senate Intel Cmte and allowed the resolution to be passed, knowing what the final report of the NIE said?

[wli]

47. good nickname

Fairly reasonable objection. I'll not challenge it, but agree to respectfully disagree. Going further is sort of kicking a dead horse since the thread is largely done with and the remaining criteria involved are largely subjective.

It's a very good point you've brought up, though, and it would take considerable debate to attempt to rebut it. In fact, it's enlightening to see this observation, as I had overlooked it in my review of the show.

Thanks, excellent response.

[brettdale]

43. kick

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[brettdale]

45. kick

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[steve2470]

50. kick nt

[JesterCS]

51. Inside 9/11

Im taped that one too. watched the first hour. gets into real detail over Al-qeada and the Taliban. but looks like a whitewash. I'll find out when I watch the other half.

[0007]

53. bttft

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. Well that's.. cryptic. *g*

[0007]

55. Not at all!

bttft = Bounce To The Fucking Top

[GreenPartyVoter]

56. Aha. Thanks *g*