If women lose their rights in Iraq I will be outraged beyond belief!

[Quixote1818]

If women lose their rights in final Iraqi Constitution Draft I will be outraged beyond belief!!!!!! Those of us here on DU should go absolutely BALLISTIC!!!! In a nut shell our kids will have died protecting a government that stands for everything we are against and the Iraqi people will be LESS FREE than under Saddam!!! Stop and think about that for a second! Bush should be run right out of Washington and sent to live in the shit hole he created.

This is a HUGE issue and the news media better as hell jump on this big time! If the constitution takes away womens rights the US better as hell not spend one more fucking second protecting those ass holes!!!

I can't tell you how infuriating this is for me! I am pissed!

See this thread for more info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4416902&mesg_id=4416902

[ThoughtCriminal]

1. They're getting ready for that

That's why the 9-11 meme is being recycled.

[fishnfla]

2. Did they have rights before?

I'm asking because I really don't know. You can't lose what you've never had.

[FloridaPat]

4. They had rights as women. Jobs, marriage, what to wear. They

are about to go back being treated as second hand citizens. Or non-persons if it goes back that far.

[Autumn]

5. Yes

Women did have rights under the Saddam regime. Say what you want about him but he did keep that tiger in the cage.

[Lenore]

15. Ya, Saddam was a murdering Tyrant but...

He was only a murdering tyrant toward those who opposed him politically. What I mean is that he tried to maintain a secular government and actually provided protection and security for those of different religions to live and practice their faiths in Iraq.

Women weren't second class citizens and most of them were fully educated and afforded the opportunities to flourish within the workforce. They didn't need the protection of their male relatives, on their way to the store.. school.. work.

Christmas was a vibrant and festive time in Baghdad, under Saddam. He was considered a patron of this holiday, often participating in Christmas service ceremonies. It was only because of Saddam's strong armed brutal control that Christians were able to practice their faith unmolested. Heck, they were even able to sell booze and most of the liquor shops were established and ran by Christians.

Don't get me wrong, Saddam was one mean and awful SOB! But, generally it was politically motivated and not due to discrimination of a sexual or religious nature.

Just the fact that the Burqua is becoming standard and women can't shop w/out male escorts (let alone work, in peace) clearly demonstrates how destructive our actions have been to the average Iraqi woman.

And the Christians, they are mostly fleeing to safety in other Arab countries. The most popular destination? Syria! Where, from my recollection, a full 20% of the Syrian people are Christian! And obviously offering safe harbor to Christians persecuted in Iraq! Throw that little fact out at the next bible thumping ne-o-con who tries to spin our aggression as something good and Christ like, it usually gives them pause. Especially since most of them think Syria is a branch off of the bigger Axes of Evil.

[fishnfla]

18. Thank you for that thoughtful reply

and welcome to DU.

The right wingers are gonna spin that SH's sons raped and brutalized women, so they are better off now.

Also, what sort of positions did women hold in the society then?

If the US pulls out, or even remains, and women are back to burquas, this will be nothing less than the hugest foreign policy blunder the bushocrats have already been foisting upon the world.

Lemme guess: Laura Bush wont meet with Cindy Sheehan, but she will start wearing a black robe and veil.....

[WorseBeforeBetter]

3. Prepare to be outraged. And my guess is there will be nary a whimper...

from our Corporate Media.

A gf recently came back from a doctor's visit absolutely disgusted b/c the flag-wearing staffers behind the desk were talking about I-raq and whether children were being killed. They are phucking CLUELESS. And they're voting.

[JDPriestly]

6. Saddam's real crime was being a socialist

and for not allowing religious fanatics entirely to run the country. He is religious, but did not apply the Shariat. It's true that he was cruel and killed many of his own people, but what about countries like Pakistan, Sudan, Rwanda and South Africa during Apartheid? We didn't send 150,000 soldiers in to save the people in those countries from dictatorships and genocide did we?

[Quixote1818]

8. If those countries strike Oil we will most certanly be their to save the

day.

[cthrumatrix]

7. Imagine "Cindy's of the Country" when this comes out --- not good

[Extend a Hand]

9. I'm afraid

of these PNAC'ers. It seems like they don't mind letting the religious fanactics have some power as long as the fascists get their oil. It seems like maybe it's even in their best interest to have people repressed by the religious fanactics. I'm afraid with John Roberts we're headed that way too.

:scared: :scared: :scared:

[Bluebear]

10. See my ballistic thread, Q1818

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4416263

[Quixote1818]

12. Great post! I don't think people realize what a huge issue this is

Bush will no longer be able to say we are spreading democracy to the Middle East but are taking it back-wards. Dem's need to scream louder than ever about this.

[etherealtruth]

11. I share your outrage ...

I have been expressing mine and hoping "people" would get interested in this very important issue.

I am horrified that this is even a possibility ... with all the ridiculous reasons we've been given for attacking Iraq, how can anyone accept that half the population being denied basic HUMAN rights is acceptable!

If this comes to pass the United States government IS responsible for fostering human rights violations!

Thank you for this post and thanks to all others trying to bring this issue to the forefront.

[Quixote1818]

14. And our kids are DYING for these ass holes!!!!!

This is simply maddening!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :grr: :grr: :grr: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[etherealtruth]

16. Our "kids" dying so that a full one half of the population ...

is denied BASIC human rights. Yeah that's a NOBLE cause!

[The2ndWheel]

13. What were you expecting?

"In a nut shell our kids will have died protecting a government that stands for everything we are against and the Iraqi people will be LESS FREE than under Saddam!!!"

They've also died killing for a government that stands for everything we are against.

[Me.]

19. And Paying For It To Boot

They've destroyed our economy so that the Islamic clerics can rule in Iraq too. OBL must be laughing his ass off.

[peacetalksforall]

17. The Republican Party is the Regressive Party so why should we be

surprised. They would like to have all the countries practice the equivalent to Islamic strict female limitations. Why? They want us silent, submissive, obedient, and ignorant so that they keep us working for our taxes and too busy to understand what is being done to us as well as too busy protest. So if they take out the rights of women by fundamentalists and macho countries - that takes care 1/2 the people who need to be controlled.

I am sure there is a secret clause in their PNAC agenda. Population is x - 1/2 of the adults subject to the male mind of the past centuries.

One of their higher ups just said that it's not great loss if women lose their rights in Iraq.

Saddam looks pretty good when PNAC finishes up.