"I have to live with that." Colin Powell..

[speedoo]

commenting on the fact that he sold the Iraq invasion based on bullshit "intelligence".

Well, fuck you General Powell. You stupid scumbag, you were used to sell this fucking immoral war and you will go to hell for that. Who knows how many will die for your stupidity. And some of them probably served under you in your military career.

How does that make you feel, asshole?

Miserable, I hope.

Because you will be forever linked to the most terrible thing the USA has ever done. You are no better than the scumbags you worked with and for in this horrible administration.

[babylonsister]

1. I have to agree. He had A Lot of credibility, and I

in part believed this could be righteous because of him. I was proven wrong rapidly but by then it was too late.

[Jackpine Radical]

19. Powell owes his high military rank to being a Good Little Soldier.

He made his hash marks covering up My Lai.

[Parrothead Terp]

2. honestly though

While Powell did do this, and knows his responsibility. If he did not do it, someone else would have. Someone without any care I feel at least that Powell one day might come out and let the world know what many on this board already know.

[jsamuel]

7. If he did not do it, we would not have gone to war.

Think about how damaging it would have been for Powell to publicly show that he did not think that the evidence was strong enough to show the UN. It would have caused Bush to drop like a rock in the polls and congress to react accordingly.

However, in the spirit of Jesus Christ, I forgive him for any wrong done to me and hope others will forgive him the same way. That doesn't mean that I will follow what he says, but rather that I hold no spiritual grudge against him.

Maybe he can help by coming out now and saying something to help us stop the rolling ball that is threatening our country and the world.

[babylonsister]

24. Right on, jsamuel. He enabled this crooked admin to make

these actions appear justified. He screwed himself, and apparently he considered that might happen but did nothing to prevent it.

[Parrothead Terp]

29. oh come on

this administration was going to war with or without Powells show. They would of sent someone else up there, condi for one, to make the bs display. i am not saying powell should not be blamed and ridiculed, i just hold out hope that mabye he is the only one out of the bunch that has a conscience which could mean he may be the guy. let's not forget deep throat did some awful things before realizing he had to do something

[jsamuel]

31. it was known that Powell was to make the speech long before he gotthe info

that was corrupted.

Everyone would have realized that he would not do it. It wasn't a spur the moment thing.

[Catholic Sensation]

43. oh bullshit, we would have gone to war had he done it or not

if he hadn't done it, he would have been booted out and someone else would have made the speech.

[jsamuel]

45. it was known that Powell was to make the speech long before he gotthe info

that was corrupted.

Everyone would have realized that he would not do it. It wasn't a spur the moment thing.

[Catholic Sensation]

46. and how does that refutes my point that bush was going to war

regardless of his speech at the un?

[jsamuel]

47. Just because Bush wanted to go to war doesn't mean he could will it

without the support of his Secretary of State. Once people realized that Powell would not speak, it would have caused people to seriously question the intelligence like they did not do before. Bush needed public support for the war in order to do it. Hense the whole WMD lie.

[Catholic Sensation]

48. he got the authorization well before the speech

the speech was made like a month before the war, it was clear to everyone after his speech at the UN we would invade Iraq. It was never a question of "if" but "when".

[jsamuel]

49. Right, he got the authorization well before the speech, but it was known

he was going to make the speech way before he got the intelligence he was supposed to give to the UN.

[Catholic Sensation]

51. your point isn't refuting mine

:banghead:

[speedoo]

8. Oh it's ok, because someone else would have done it?

That logic is as bad as the logic in the email that said "this war is gonna happen, so nobody cares about the fact that curveball is a liar."

Powell deserves no sympathy whatsoever.

[Talismom]

9. They'd have had a very hard time finding anyone with as much respect and

credibility. He let himself be used and was a real chump! He has squandered that respect and deserves to be rejected soundly!

[still_one]

14. will he tell that to the more than 13000 wounded Americans

who whose lives he destroyed?

How about the more than 1800 dead American families

How about the more than 100000 civillians?

Mistakes are one thing, but intentions are something else

[Jackpine Radical]

22. He could have resigned very noisily, thereby

making things quite sticky for the Bushoviks.

That was the only honorable course.

[karlrschneider]

36. Well, "someone else" was not the Secretary of State of the USA, and

as has been widely reported, at one moment before he stood before the UN, he looked at the "chinese menu" and told an assemblage "this is bullshit" or something quite close to that. So he went into the duplicity with his eyes wide open (or his pockets full)...or under threat - but he has never been a paragon of virtue.

[buddysmellgood]

3. Man speedoo, you're better than Malloy. I feel better just reading that, I

can only imagine what a release that was for you. Rock on!

[speedoo]

15. It did feel good to write that.

As a former navy man, I know that Powell had great respect amog the military, both active and other. Now, this former Navy officer would love to see the stupid mofo court-martialed and keel-hauled.

[DesEtoiles]

4. And 100,000+ people had to die with it.

[Talismom]

5. That's right. "That" consists of the deaths of so many thousands of

innocent people, and the misery of the wounded and the families both here and in Iraq. How can these people sleep at night? I can hardly stand it and I've been fighting it since the beginning!

[Swamp Rat]

6. Fuck Colon Bowell!

Americans died and are STILL dying due in part to his lies. :mad:

[spanone]

10. A Swamp Rat Instant Classic!

:toast:

[Swamp Rat]

30. Dank u.

[speedoo]

11. Thankyou Swamp Rat.

Wonderful portrayal of a scumbag and a traitor to his former troops.

[Swamp Rat]

32. I hope he has nightmares until he dies.

[Solly Mack]

12. What Swamp Rat said

[kansasblue]

13. Correction: " WE have to live (and die) with that"

I have to admit when I heard Powell was on-board for the war I dropped my opposition. I trusted him.

No more.

[kansasblue]

16. ahhhhhhhhh.... no one has come forward with the lame

"he did it because he's a soldier" excuse. Sec of State is a civilian leadership position. You should have lead us to the truth.

[lonestarnot]

17. Hope you dream of piles of children's bodies every fucking night Powell!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. Yes, he has to live with the blood on his hands

The thing is it isn't his blood, nor is it the blood of his loved ones. Just how much do you really think he mourns for those who have lost their lives?

Now ask yourself this, how much do you think he mourns for the death of his "good" name?

[ourbluenation]

20. at least he gets to live....

can't say that for 1800+ dead soldiers.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

23. Yep

His life goes on, while they are dead, most of them far too young to be gone. Then there are those who have been seriously maimed and mentally wounded by this war who will never recover.

To say how he "has to live with that" is arrogance.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

21. Yes, you do have to live with that, but...

...you can begin to atone for "that" by going public, right now, with the truth. People still have enough trust for you to listen to what you have to say. You CAN make a difference. Your public career is over, but you can still do something positive with your life. Go public about the B* lies and war crimes.

[FrenchieCat]

25. At least Colin Powell, you get to "live with it",

and Bush will go on with his life.

Some others aren't so lucky!

[PatriotGames]

26. Damn! Tell us how you really feel!

Yeah, he was a tool of BushCo. At least he jumped ship.

[otohara]

27. He Will Live A Long Prosperous Life & Won't Think Twice About His Lies

as long as the sheeple are willing to pay the big bucks to go watch Powell speak at these motivational tours, Powell will not suffer one wink of sleep over what he did.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. Yep

Even if he was threatned he could've gone to someone or been a deep throat. But noooo. I can't believe I used to even like the guy. Oy!

[Garbo 2004]

33. Well he didn't quit in protest and AFAIK he's been quiet on the war

since he left office. Not exactly a standard bearer for truth or conscience.

I'd wager Powell lives with that rather comfortably.

[oasis]

34. You're going to have to live with it Colin, you lying puke.

:puke:

[driver8]

35. Amen, speedoo, Amen! Powell is guilty just like the rest of them.

No one put a gun to your head, dipshit...

Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!

Powell sold out the troops to protect his own worthless ass.

[Skittles]

37. he pimped for bush inc

AFTER THEY STOLE THE ELECTION IN PART BY NOT ALLOWING BLACKS TO VOTE. How's that for integrity? I second speedoo - Colin Powell is a g.d. SCUMBAG

[Dynasty_At_Passes]

38. I never have understood Collin Powell. Why didn't he just resign?

Couldn't the man have had some integrity and simply refused to do anything, and resigned? :shrug:

It just makes no sense, I thought he would not go along with this hoax.

[Wizard777]

40. What a good friend African Americans have in the Republicans

That's why. "These are historical times we are living in." says Bush. They probably had his head full of dreams of being the modern day Dr. King. Reaching new heights in our government for the African American Community.
I am very disappointed in Colin Powell. But I also cannot ignore the fact that the Bush Administration set this once great man up for Failure. That reflects upon George Bush not Colin Powell. Now Colin Powell is just a man. That is because he is owning up to his mistakes. Also as we have seen in Iraq. Colin Powell is not the only soldier that Bush has set up for failure

[Dynasty_At_Passes]

42. That makes it sound like Bush was an innocent scapegoat like Powell!!

Please!!! Bush is an idiot, a coward and a half. The lies spewed on Powell sure didn't deceive him. He knew this crap was lies he probably knew Cheney was doing some big scheme....He didn't give a shit, because he is a vindictive slimy asshole. He didn't care what they were lying about as long as he didn't get in trouble and got the money. Neither of those happened....

:shrug:

[Wizard777]

39. What is done is done.

But admiting a problem exists is the all important step in correcting that problem. But he still has a long way to go to be forgiven. Then he can begin to try recoup his respect and dignity. Colin Powell is one of the very few people involved in this that I do have some sympathy for. I hope the African American community learns something from this. Even if it's only how to tell when a Republican is trying to do something for you and trying to do something to you. Like leave you holding the bag. Condi is next if she doesn't go down with the tanker. I knew when those good old boys were appointing them. That is what they had in mind for them. They were setting them up for the knock down. Somethings never change.

[fujiyama]

41. History will judge Powell to be a coward

He had the chance to tell the others "Hell no I won't spout off what are obviously lies". Instead he went ahead and gave a masterful theatrical performance, with all the bullshit the administrationc could muster.

But Powell's been playing coverup since My Lai so what surprise should this have been?

[Catholic Sensation]

44. Uh...

Because you will be forever linked to the most terrible thing the USA has ever done.

So slaughtering millions of Indians is somehow not as bad as this war?

[Catholic Sensation]

50. and...

and slavery, and segregation, and denying women the right to vote till only 85 years ago?

this war is worse than all of that? I think not.

[MetaTrope]

52. Didn't Powell say the same thing about Iran-Contra?

Where he was one of those whose testimony was eventually pinned as a lie by Senate investigators?

Well, he should have.

[Mad_Dem_X]

53. With all due respect, General...

go to Hell. :nopity:

[theHandpuppet]

54. No, WE have to live with that!

As do the thousands of Iraqi civilians who have died, Mr Powell.

Just like Bush, Colin can only think of the war in terms of how it affects him.

Cry me a river, asshole. You ought to be at Dover greeting every one of those flag-draped coffins as a reminder of the cost of your lying, sellout self. As a military man you took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. You betrayed that oath on the altar of your own personal ambition. Were you so surprised when that pit of scorpions with whom you chose to throw in your lot turned around and stung you?

Here's an apt fable for Colin:

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I am a scorpion. I could not help myself. It is my nature."