Suitcase Nukes -- Already Here!!! ...Freepers know

[Peter Frank]

Ya think Bush's absence of border security might play a role here?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1440555/posts

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Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.
World Net Daily ^ | July 11, 2005 | Joseph Farrah


Posted on 07/11/2005 9:34:53 AM PDT by wesley_windam-price


WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions (snip)

[oscar111]

1. Nuclear Power Plants - each a dirty bomb, no smuggling needed

terras only need a jet to crash into your local backyard nuke plant, then the uranium atoms are in the bottom of your lungs, radiating gamma rays to cause cancers by the millions.

no suitcase needed. Arent there about forty nuke plants sitting around waiting in our various backyards?

"ALL URANIUM BACK IN THE GROUND"

Man is not wise enough to handle uranium.

WW2 was a nuclear war. Reframe it.

Enough wind power in the Dakotas and Texas to power the whole US.

get to building windmills, folks.

[tocqueville]

10. you need more than a crash on a plant

to vaporize uranium in such quantities it could be more than a local problem.

[DemInDistress]

2. bad link ??

this page cannot be displayed...

[bananas]

4. try this one

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1440555/posts

[Peter Frank]

5. Thanks -- I'll snip my text & add your link N/T.

[Dogmudgeon]

3. The link doesn't work

But the Freepers have been blathering about suitcase nukes for well over a year now.

I don't have a lot of faith in those rumors. For one thing, the smallest amount of fissile material required for a nuclear explosion is about 25 pounds, and it has to be compressed together with explosives, which requires the explosive AND enough metal to contain the early part of the explosion. That would make for a very large, very heavy suitcase.

There has been some work done on various methods to create a fission reaction without fissile material, using electromagnetic or optical (laser) energy to "kindle" a fission reaction in an otherwise unreactive material. I rue the day that such a device could be built, since it would be much lighter, much cheaper, and probably quite easy to mass-manufacture.

--p!

[Richard Steele]

15. You are quite mistaken re: size and weight.

A 25-pound sphere of Plutonium is about the size of a tennis ball.

The soviet union built around 250 "suitcase nukes",
according to the testimony given by their former
National Security Advisor, Alexander Lebed.

In his 1997 "60 Minutes interview:
QUOTE:
"I'm saying that more than a hundred weapons
out of the supposed number of 250
are not under the control of the armed forces of Russia.
I don't know their location.
I don't know whether they have been destroyed
or whether they are stored
or whether they've been sold or stolen,
I don't know."


According to him, those 100 nukes
weighed around 45 pounds apiece.

[tocqueville]

6. complete tinfoil

the way it's written reminds me of the stuff you find in spam or in newsgroups

the description of the suitcase nuke is ridiculous

"nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War".... they surely wished they could...

and of course all that motivates the "Minutemen" which nowadays have a Geiger counter when they track illegal Mexicans...

[Dogmudgeon]

7. To their credit ...

... many Freepers also can see through the rantings and ravings of Joseph Farrah.

Another rumor going around, this time courtesy of some of the free-energy people, is that surviving rogue KGB agents have teamed up with the Japanese Yakuza, and plan to destroy the USA next year using "scalar" or "hyperdimensional" weaponry.

That will happen right after chickens dance the Macarena on my kitchen ceiling.

--p!

[Peter Frank]

8. Substantiate nt

[Dogmudgeon]

13. Read FR posts nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. Huh?

Another rumor going around, this time courtesy of some of the free-energy people, is that surviving rogue KGB agents have teamed up with the Japanese Yakuza, and plan to destroy the USA next year using "scalar" or "hyperdimensional" weaponry.


Oh, that I *gotta* read!

[Dogmudgeon]

16. Here's a few links to get started

Most of the rumor comes from Tom Bearden and Sherman Skolnick. They have a lot of "street cred" because they offer a mix of actual news (and, in Bearden's case, cutting-edge physics) and bat-shit craziness.

http://www.cheniere.org (Bearden's website in general)
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/index.html
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/021702a.htm
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/020804.htm
http://www.cheniere.org/articles/Yakuza%20threat%20including%20tsunamis%20-%20final%20w%20edits%201%20website%20a.doc
http://www.bariumblues.com/bearden_disinformation.htm
http://www.bariumblues.com/bush_yakuza_connection.htm
http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm
http://www.skolnicksreport.com

There's plenty of enjoyable reading here, whether you are an apocalyptic, a scoffer, or anything in between.

--p!

[TheMightyFavog]

9. Ant the article is from WorldNutDaily

About as accurate as the Weekly world News' lates report of a study that says that topless women live longer.

http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/science/61498

[Peter Frank]

11. Still no substantiation of your "rumors"...

Do some homework if you expect people to believe your assertions.

Here's a little blurb...
http://forums.military.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/672198221/m/902105113

[tocqueville]

12. don't they ?

[Vogon_Glory]

17. Suitcase Nukes: One If By Land, Two If By Sea

I should think that if al Qaeda decided to smuggle in a suitcase nuke, they'd bring it in by ship--where US port security isn't particularly secure, and where they wouldn't have to worry about their little play toy being hijacked either by robbers or by one of the drug-smuggling cartels on the Mexican side of the border.

Incidentally, for the benefit of any right-wing lurkers reading and snickering about the "liberals"' nervous joking about the suitcase nukes issue--just remember that it was your very own favorite Republican congressional representatives and your very own pet right-wing Republican US Senators who were constantly voting to short-change efforts to adequately secure the former Soviet nuclear stock pile so that former Soviet fissile materials or former Soviet nuclear weapons didn't find their way into the hands of rogue states or loonies like al Qaeda. We look to risk having been nickeled and dimed--by conservative Republicans--into a nuclear disaster. Remember that again in case some US city goes up in a mushroom cloud.

[anarchy1999]

18. Baloney, hype and BS.

Freeps only know and spread what they are told.

Come and talk with some vets.

FEAR, FEAR and some more FEAR!

We are staying with our Vets, and they aren't buying.

[Bassic]

19. Yet another fear-inducing rumour.

Freepers are so much fun. Can you imagine having one at home? ugh..