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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 05:50 AM
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a harange contra fascism and the AEI
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 06:18 AM by wli
This was originally a response to a post regarding the AEI, but it seemed worthy of a headlining post, hence this post.
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The AEI should in fact be indicted as a terrorist organization and all their members made to stand trial in the Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity along with PNAC, CNP, CSP, and the entire Bushler regime. Particularly Michael Ledeen.

There are no excuses acceptable. This is not the time for tolerance. It is over. This scum must be ejected from our country, and our country reformed to ensure this kind of fascist break can never happen again. Germany is not an appropriate example; Interpol was founded by an SS officer, who furthermore lead the German police before then, and various forms of Nazi heritage were allowed to propagate to the US and other countries as well as persisting within Germany itself (c.f. I.G. Farben not being dissolved until 2003).

Every single fascist must be rooted out of this country and put into prison for war crimes and crimes against humanity. The ideology is in fact the crime. There is no escaping it. There is no room for tolerance of it. There is no quarter we can afford to give them. If any are allowed to roam free they will conspire to overthrow the country again.

The fascists must be aggressively searched for and prosecuted. Neither we nor the world can afford to give freerepublic.com, George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, or similar hate criminals any amnesty whatsoever. They must be confined and isolated and their entire impact on society hyperaggressively removed and hyperaggressively erased for all time. Vigilance must be established in perpetuity to ensure fascists can never walk free or exert any influence on society whatsoever ever again. There is no choice, lest another fascist break occur.

Bushler and Cheney and Rummy talk about a "terrorist ideology" being the target of their genocidal mania. But they are in fact the terrorists, and it is in fact their own fascist ideology which is a threat to the whole of humanity so grave it cannot be exaggerated. Their tactics are completely inadmissible and are criminal acts from their inception, if not their conception. The entire fascist ideology is in fact criminal and can never be allowed to exist in any sense whatsoever. Law and order must be maintained throughout, and their prosecution carried out through strictly legal means, lest we degenerate to their level. The FBI, military police, and peace officers (e.g. local police) must be the ones called upon by a non-corrupt executive (once installed through legitimate election procedures, unlike the Diebold/ES&S/Sequoia shams of today) to arrest and incarcerate these incredibly dangerous criminals.

It would be a crime against humanity to ape the fascists' own tactics. Humane solutions to this ideological crisis must be devised in order to completely eradicate fascism and the fascists for all time. Structures must be erected to completely eradicate the right wing and accomplish the total elimination of fascism. Aggressive education and the criminalization of fascist ideology are practical necessities. Economic restructuring is likewise necessary to eliminate the fascists, in particular the seizure of all concentrations of wealth held by fascists (likely best put to use for reparations to the victims of the war crimes and crimes against humanity they've committed). Much more than this must be done, but there are legal and ethical considerations so deep I'm not competent to address them.
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Dynasty_At_Passes Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 05:56 AM
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1. Its a very good point. We will agressively root them out one by one....
Without resorting to their own fascism, as that is the only thing they want, so everyone will destroy eachother. The whole world could then be over run by AEI disciples so root out the ideology of oil by vigilant, harsh and peaceful means.

Establish also a permanent alternative source of fuels.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 06:11 AM
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2. some kind of major ethical conference is needed
In general, ideological "crime" is not something the constitution allows for, and is not formalized in international law. In order to get a grasp of how fascism must be dealt with, an inherently new notion of crime and punishment must be established, layered atop preexisting structure.

Examples we absolutely must not emulate are things like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China, where forced labor and outright prisons were used. It's not entirely clear what can be done, and that's why the ethicists and similar must be called upon to devise the strategy. The overriding factor is that it must be humane, and not brainwashing or imprisonment.

Things like the following are relatively reasonable considerations:
1. barring fascists from ever holding public office
2. restricting the potential for mass-distribution of hate speech by fascists
3. preventing concentrations of wealth in the hands of fascists
4. preventing conspiratorial behavior by fascists
5. preventing political influence from fascists via voting and lobbying disenfranchisement

It makes me wonder if the real issue is sociopathy and not fascism per se. The left/right dichotomy doesn't truly fit, and sociopathy may describe the phenomenon better. But similarly to the avoidance of ideological "testing" or "screening," neither does psychological screening serve the purpose of resolving this issue without imposing despotism.

A very serious and very public discussion among ethicists and other experts needs to occur in order to determine how this may be carried out without endangering civil liberties any more than it inherently does. Regardless, the neocons et al are immediately prosecutable without any need for such measures to be imposed in advance, so if integrity is ever restored to the electoral process, the advances in combatting fascism and/or sociopathy and the bringing to justice of the current cadre of war criminals and criminals against humanity may be pursued independenly.
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Dynasty_At_Passes Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 06:23 AM
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5. Not good enough....
This comes down to greed and oil, so the fascists will simply regroup in countries like Ubekistan and terrorize everyone to obtain their oil. Pay for their heating and lavish estates and gasoline, etc and so on.

One source of permanent renewable energy needs to be legislated. We must picket and riot their pathetic emotional hegemony from our estate, IE: the world, and recognize that this fascism is the cause and creation of Osama Bin Ladens.

Prosecute them all, as per Fitzgerald and his taskforce for war crimes and deliberate failures against humanity but then root out their starting points by closing down as many institutes, as many Likud type government schools and as many Ariel Sharon copycats as can possibly be reached.

And don't resort to fascism to close them down, simply close them DOWN through the collective voice.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 06:30 AM
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6. I didn't claim sufficiency or global scope
But you do have valid points for the broader global issue.

Your points are things that must be brought up in whatever conference is arranged to decide these issues.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 06:15 AM
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3. not to nit-pick, but... you need a "u"
if you see this before the hour is up :hi:


harangue:


noun: a loud bombastic declamation expressed with strong emotion
verb: deliver a harangue to; address forcefully
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 06:19 AM
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4. all done, thanks for the comment n/t
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