Let me just point this out: If you deny evolution, don't you also deny DNA

[jsamuel]

Isn't that true? If you deny evolution then you deny all evidence that supports it and holds it to be true. Like DNA. DNA, in itself proves evolution exists. In order to make evolution invalid you would have to say DNA doesn't exist either. You would then have to unravel physics itself and deny the existance of an atomic bomb and so on and so on...

[renie408]

1. Nahh...

If you are crazy enough to deny evolution, you are crazy enough to tweak your 'faith' around to covering those bases.

Hey, the lord works in mysterious ways, right??

[rkc3]

2. I thought the same about DNA over the weekend. Least I'm not alone.

I've also thought about denying the existence of linear algebra and advanced statistics - both, I believe, were invented by Satan to distract us from bigger issues.

[jsamuel]

3. I think this way of explaining evolution may be the best way to combat ID

AKA creationism in sheep's clothing.

This way you tell them, if you want to disprove evolution, disprove that planes fly.

[renie408]

8. Even trying to combat ID...

is allowing yourself to be sucked into the argument.

ID is not scientific. Therefore, it has no place in a Science class. Creation is not scientific, therefore it has no place in a Science class. Period. I would not expect anyone to teach evolution (science) in either a Philosophy class or during vacation Bible school. And I don't expect to see half-assed philosophy or religion in my kid's science class.

[renie408]

4. I think I am going to deny the existence of the IRS...

They aren't mentioned in the Bible anywhere. That would really make my life a lot easier.

[back2basics909]

5. Kind of..

Some of the best evidence for evolution and more importantly inter-species evolution is to be found in the DNA record.

Evolution ADDS to existing systems, it does not rebuild them from scratch. So we can see genes from simple organisms being built upon.

Like the three brains, we see an older reptilian brain, then two other more modern brains built upon them.

[DBoon]

10. They aren't mentioned in the bible

so they can't possibly be godly

[rkc3]

13. Do a Conjoint study and you'll see how ungodly statistics can be.

[Ready4Change]

6. If I may...?

I think the arguement would be that, while DNA exists, it doesn't provide a mechanism for species wide change. It reflects differences between individuals, and vast differences between species. But the encodements that create actual, different species, are the work of God. Those haven't changed since creation, and there is no way to genetically change a mollusk into a musk ox.

Now, allow me to say, I think that's BS. Evolution makes total, beautiful sense to me. I'm just playing devils advocate here.

[HereSince1628]

7. No, and the ID people and most creationists including Orin Hatch

accept DNA and even all the Hardy-Weinberg mechanisms that biologists refer to as "microevolution."

What they don't accept is the idea that biological diversity is generated by speciation.

[jokerman93]

9. Was the Intelligent Designer a Preschooler?

Not to put too fine a point on it but...But I think no one argues that species don't change over time. That's proven. I thought the problem lies in explaining how entirely new separate species have emerged? As far as I know we have yet to find that particular mechanism of speciation.

Seems to be that's the gap in our knowledge through which the fundies are ramming their oh-so-puerile "intelligent designer 'theory'".

Is this wrong? Anyone know?

[HereSince1628]

11. But I think your could say they shouldn't accept animal experimentation

as a basis for medical research.

An underlying justification for animal research as a foundation for human medicine is that because of evolution humans and other animals have remarkable similarities in physiology and anatomy.

If you don't believe in evolution there is no reason to believe that any given animal species (or the cells of these species) used in the laboratory shares meaningful similarities with human counterparts.

[zbdent]

12. "cafeteria" science - take only what you deem necessary

Kinda like American Catholics vs traditional/European Catholics . . . even our hardcore, traditional American Catholics are picking and choosing what to "follow" - remember, JPII said that Sunday should be holy, that there should be no football, baseball, concerts, etc. . . .

[Endangered Specie]

14. Not just that, If you deny evolution you deny biology.

Evolution is one of the most fundamental theories (laws) of biology. Everything from pure biology to applied medicine, evolution is everywhere.


It would be like trying to deny chemistry physics and engineering the laws of thermodynamics.

[Roland99]

15. Who designed the Intelligent Designer?