Thanks to a Du'er for pointing out the Chimp's symptoms during VFW speech

[Whoa_Nelly]

Thanks to Gildor Inglorion in the thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4423329&mesg_id=4423329

Tardive Dyskinesia
What is Tardive Dyskinesia?
<snip>
Tardive dyskinesia is a neurological syndrome caused by the long-term use of neuroleptic drugs. Neuroleptic drugs are generally prescribed for psychiatric disorders, as well as for some gastrointestinal and neurological disorders. Tardive dyskinesia is characterized by repetitive, involuntary, purposeless movements. Features of the disorder may include grimacing, tongue protrusion, lip smacking, puckering and pursing, and rapid eye blinking. Rapid movements of the arms, legs, and trunk may also occur. Involuntary movements of the fingers may appear as though the patient is playing an invisible guitar or piano.

More at:
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/tardive/tardive.htm

Good call, Gildor Inglorion! :applause: :applause: :applause:

[knowbody0]

1. we're in good hands

NOT

[flakey_foont]

2. invisible guitar or piano?

so chimp is morphing into Joe Cocker?

[Darkhawk32]

4. Can you imagine a duet with Cocker and Morrissette? Ay Carumba.

:silly:

[flakey_foont]

8. LOL

Katie, bar the door!

[i miss america]

18. LOL! That was my first thought as well.

[bertha katzenengel]

3. Bill Frist dx'd Terry Schiavo by watching a video, too.

:eyes:

[spinbaby]

5. Or just drunk

http://tinyurl.com/bgph5

[Why Syzygy]

10. oops dupe

[Why Syzygy]

11. Is there a medical term

for gumby face?

His brain needs to be donated to science. ASAP.

[Whoa_Nelly]

6. Hmmm...was just wondering if this makes it more difficult

to get the pretzel to the mouth...

[Journeyman]

7. Maybe Gildor and Frist can open a video-based medical clinic...

start a trend toward cheaper, less intrusive exams.

[Whoa_Nelly]

9. It has been reported in the past that * had been put on a drug regime

or was that debunked?

[Journeyman]

13. Maybe so. We scoffed at Frist though, when he gave unfounded diagnosis...

why should we place anymore credibility with another video-diagnostician, just because they are on "our side."

You ask, has Shrub's drug regimen been debunked? I ask in turn, has it been proved?

[Whoa_Nelly]

17. From this archived article

at Capitol Hill Blue:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=33&num=5141

Bush Taking Anti-Depressants to Control Mood Swings

<snip>
The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the White House physician, can impair the President’s mental faculties and decrease both his physical capabilities and his ability to respond to a crisis, administration aides admit privately.

“It’s a double-edged sword,” says one aide. “We can’t have him flying off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a President who is alert mentally.”

Tubb prescribed the anti-depressants after a clearly-upset Bush stormed off stage on July 8, refusing to answer reporters' questions about his relationship with indicted Enron executive Kenneth J. Lay.

“Keep those motherfuckers away from me,” he screamed at an aide backstage. “If you can’t, I’ll find someone who can.”

[Journeyman]

21. Please. Find me anything other than Capitol Hill Blue. . .

I could write outrageous copy too. Doesn't make it true.

[seemslikeadream]

28. It was good enough for LBN

Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=602189

[Journeyman]

32. So's Xinhuanet and Drudge...

I think the keyword needed here is discernment.

Again, seen anything like this anywhere else?

[seemslikeadream]

33. You should read that link

It's there

[AllyCat]

29. Obviously, something is wrong with him, but we need to be careful

pulling a Frist (like someone else here has noted). Also, a regime is a group of likeminded people who try to effect a change in government.

A medication schedule is a REGIMEN. I'm a nurse and hear other nurses make this mistake all the time. Drives me nuts. It's right up there with orientated (it's oriented).

As for Bush*, it's hard to say. There is something not right with him and the fact that it seems to come and go really indicates a mental problem that might be related to medications. Tardives Dyskinesia is irreversible however, and he displays it intermittently. So I don't think TD is it. I'm still inclined to believe Korsakoff's Syndrome.

[NAO]

12. I DX'ed him with Tardive Dyskenesia watching the debates, esp 3rd.

debate where he had involuntary drooling. Combine that with the footage from the first debate, where he had the blinking, smirking, and lip smacking...and the second debate, where his handlers cut down his meds due to his performance in the first debate, and he had that psychotic outburst at the moderator.

[Why Syzygy]

15. I feel a little ugly

laughing at a handicap. In this case .. I CAN'T HELP IT.

Wow. A moron in chief who makes you laugh and cry all in the same day. What talent.

[Roland99]

26. He was drugged up for that 3rd debate...no doubt in my mind

30 seconds into his first response I was on the phone to a buddy of mine and, when he answered, I yelled, "HE'S DRUNK! THE FUCKING PRESIDENT IS DRUNK OFF HIS ASS!"

[stevedeshazer]

14. He doesn't have tardive diskinesia

If you'd ever seen someone who really has it, you'd know what I mean. The symptoms are much more severe than what Bush exhibits.

I'm no doctor, but I think Bush has narcissistic personality disorder, from the DSM-IV:



A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy.
link: http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html#npd

Just my opinion, though.

[lady lib]

16. I agree with you Steve, on both counts. n/t

[Bluebear]

19. Could he have both?

The narcissistic disorder is a given.

[lady lib]

24. Well, one wouldn't preclude the other.

But if you've ever seen a real life case of tardive dyskinesia, like I have, you'd find it a stretch to say that * has it.

[stevedeshazer]

25. Yes, I agree.

It's very severe, not just Bush's droopy mouth or even drooling.

[lady lib]

27. Exactly.

Tardive dyskinesia is so dramatic that once you've seen it, you never forget what it looks like.

[NAO]

20. This author gives Bush a DX of "Malignant Egophrenia"

THE MADNESS OF GEORGE W. BUSH: A REFLECTION OF OUR COLLECTIVE PSYCHOSIS by Paul Levy
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/georgew.html

excerpt

George W. Bush is ill. He has a psycho-spiritual dis-ease of the soul, a sickness that is endemic to our culture and symptomatic of the times we live in. It’s an illness that has been with us since time immemorial. Because it’s an illness that's in the soul of all of humanity, it pervades the field and is in all of us in potential at any moment, which makes it especially hard to diagnose. Bush's malady is quite different from schizophrenia, for example, in which all the different parts of the personality are fragmented and not connected to each other, resulting in a state of internal chaos. As compared to the dis-order of the schizophrenic, Bush can sound quite coherent and can appear like such a "regular," normal guy, which makes the syndrome he is suffering from very hard to recognize. This is because the healthy parts of his personality have been co-opted by the pathological aspect, which drafts them into its service. Because of the way the personality self-organizes an outer display of coherence around a pathogenic core, I would like to name Bush's illness ‘malignant egophrenic (as compared to schizophrenic) disease,’ or ‘ME disorder,’ for short. If ME disorder goes unrecognized and is not contained, it can be very destructive, particularly if the person is in a position of power.

In much the same way that a child's psychology cannot be understood without looking at the family system he or she is a part of, George Bush does not exist in isolation. We can view Bush and his entire Administration (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, etc), as well as the corporate, military industrial complex that they are co-dependently enmeshed with, the media that they control, the voters that support them, and ourselves as well, as interconnected parts of a whole system, or a "field." Instead of relating to any part of this field as an isolated entity, it’s important to contemplate the entire interdependent field as the ‘medium’ though which malignant egophrenia manifests and propagates itself. ME disease is a field phenomenon, and needs to be contemplated as such. Bush's sickness is our own.

full article at above link

[Dinger]

22. Something Specific I Noticed . . .

After completing a sentence, his jaw moved slightly forward and backward rather quickly. I didn't like watching him, but if you watch it again, see if you notice it. I'm not a doctor, so I don't know if this even means anything.

[WiseButAngrySara]

34. This is not new...I noticed during the debates, as did many DUers. I

don't think it's tardive dyskinesia, but it appears neurological. Actually, there was discussion before, that he was straining to listen to his audio device (B* back bulge), and at that time, it made quite a bit of sense! Oh, what an embarrassing moron. I can't believe that people really believe he was elected after those debates. The world must think that a majority of US citizens are morons themselves!

Another idea is body language reaction because he knows he's lying, and has to appear sincere and genuine, so his body language unconsciously gives away his lies; like Pinocchio's nose, etc

[steve2470]

23. I've seen many cases of tardive dyskinesia and I don't think he has it

If he does, it's a very early case. Of course, you cannot truly diagnose via TV, unlike "Doctor" Frist's special abilities. I think it's that coke jaw phenomenon.

[livvy]

30. I noticed the jaw thing also.

He's been doing that for a while now. What I also noticed today was the sniffing. He does remind me of someone who has been doing coke. The jaw thing was worse today than I have noticed in the past, too. He is such an embarrassment and disgrace. It is hard to watch him with all the sniffing and twitching and jaw swishing.

[lady lib]

31. Cocaine...

"...a paranoid mental state may be irreversible and permanent."
http://www.puberty101.com/d_cocaine.shtml

Heh, no kidding.