Freeper heads exploding over Iraq Theocracy

[Walt Starr]

Choice quotes:

We'd be better off with Sadam if this is the ultimate result.

1 posted on 08/22/2005 11:13:10 AM PDT by Charlesj
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To: Charlesj
We'd be better off with Sadam if this is the ultimate result.
Is there some strategy here? I can't help but thinking this is very bad... maybe the polls are reflecting this? People supported the war that was supposed to bring freedom.. not the war that was going to install an Islamic dictatorship..


2 posted on 08/22/2005 11:16:20 AM PDT by podkane
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To: Charlesj
What was the point of liberating Iraq if we're just helping to install another Islamic theocracy?



3 posted on 08/22/2005 11:18:43 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Charlesj
So what the heck does this mean?

Sharia law by default?

Before you democrats chuckle, I wouldn't vote you in office on a bet.



4 posted on 08/22/2005 11:19:45 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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Inshallah, Allahu Akbar.

America as the midwife of a Sharia state.

Goodness.



9 posted on 08/22/2005 11:21:24 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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Iran Junior. Wonderful.



18 posted on 08/22/2005 11:35:42 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: Charlesj
All this and what do we get? The beginnings of a theocracy. Don't worry, I'm sure Bush will try to spin this over the next week. Isn't the plan over the next 5 days to presents even better excuses for the police action?



20 posted on 08/22/2005 11:37:09 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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I think that there might be one post spinning this positively for every twenty posts in the thread. Really good reading. The term Schadenfreude comes to mind:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1468350/posts

[LeftNYC]

1. I refuse to go over there, but I was wondering about their

thoughts on Hagel?

[Melodybe]

29. Hey Freepers Saddam wasn't Islamic! He was a secular dictator.

Why else do you think the people hated him?

Dumbasses!

[indie_voter]

65. This is beyond comprehension to the Bushbots.

I've tried explaining this for YEARS. Before the war I would get in to arguments with people who would try to tie Saddam Hussein to bin Laden.


They hated each other because bin Laden was a religious fanatic while Hussein was a secular fanatic.

NOW these people are finally starting to wake up and smell the greater threat.

[johnfunk]

93. ... moreover, a secular dictator with no WMDs!

In the immortal words of Johnny Rotten, uttered into the microphone at the abrupt end of the Sex Pistols' final concert of their disastrous American tour of January 1978,

"Ever feel like you've been cheated?"

[johnfunk]

95. My, my, some of the FRepublicans are experiencing cognitive dissonance...

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn: :popcorn:
:popcorn:

[Hekate]

136. Pass me some of that popcorn

:popcorn: Thanks; I already melted butter for it -- I'll share.

Cognitive dissonance indeed; I just picked my jaw off the floor. This is sweet, sweet. Myomyomyomy...

Hekate

[niallmac]

103. I won't go there either. scary monsters!

It is like entering Mordor, land of the Nazgul, the politically challenged Nazgul.

[Jacobin]

2. Bwaaahahahaha

They finally figure it out:

"We'd be better off with Saddam"


They finally got a fucking clue. A secular brutal military dictator is preferable to U.S. interests than a radical fundamentalist Islamic state.

Amazing shit.

[Hubert Flottz]

27. They are figuring out what a liar Bush is too...

A little too late now though.

[Carni]

82. I have only been trying to tell freep types that for 3 plus years

I would go into Saddam is secular/ the shia are fundies which is why Saddam hasn't been booted by his own people etc and they would look at me like I was smoking crack.

Basically we just spent big BIG bucks to invade Iraq and hand it over to the powers in Iran--WTF did these people think the Iran Iraq war was about?

They are all completely stupid--no functioning brain cells whatsoever.

[kysrsoze]

134. Just what the hell did they expect? I hate people who won't read ANYTHING

and still feel they have a valid viewpoint on this whole screwed up situation. My own brother-in-law said something to the effect of, "I don't read up on all this stuff, but I know what's going on."

What? How the hell do you do that? These people will not do anything to simply educate themselves about the world around them. Should we really trust that our "leaders" are there because they are NOT corrupt? Seriously, don't they remember ANYTHING from history class?

[sellitman]

3. When will they admit it?

junior FUCKS UP EVERYTHING he touches.

:popcorn:

[Mr Rabble]

35. Reverse Midas touch. nt

[kmla]

51. Yep. Everything he touches turns to poo.

Sad. And tragic.

On a global scale.

[msu2ba]

87. The Merde Touch n/t

[Modem Butterfly]

4. Note to Charlesj

No shit, ya fucking nazi.

[johnfunk]

96. The "J" must stand for

"Jawohl!"

[SmokingJacket]

5. What did they think was going to happen???

If you try to bring democracy to a country where the MAJORITY favors a theocracy... well, you either get a theocracy, or you thwart the will of the majority, and that's not a democracy.

I just want to slap those freepers upside the head for not seeing the obvious.

(actually, they probably expected bushco to rig the election more effectively...)

[Roland99]

24. Morans following a failed ideology results in the exact opposite effect.

Hmmm...

[fishwax]

131. gosh, it sounds so simple when you put it like that

i wonder why nobody pointed this out to them before? :sarcasm:

:puke:

:grr:

[proud patriot]

6. bush betrayed the freepers just like the rest of us

I wonder if freeper will ever understand that they
were used by traitors to this republic . Freepers
were fooled by all the flag waving god bless America
stuff bush dished out . It sure did sound good to them
at the time . too bad bush doesn't walk the walk bush
is just a snake oil salesman , and freepers bought it .

As I've said all along those who bought the snake oil
are going to be far more pissed off than those of us
who didn't buy it .

[hexola]

7. Another Freep thread here - this one had them really paranoid!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1468086/posts

They started calling for a ZOT right away...

Its like they can't believe or even consider the slightest critcism of their ideas...

[Jacobin]

9. okay, what's a 'zot'?

[Walt Starr]

11. Their version of a tombstone n/t

[trekbiker]

62. not a lot of tolerance over in nazi land..

any little thing that threatens thier little made up worldview is immediately killed. Paranoia runs rampant. FR is more Stalinist than Democratic.

[Name removed]

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[GreenPartyVoter]

15. Touche

[Walt Starr]

10. Check this one out from a Freeper of FIVE YEARS!

This guy has been posting on Freakerland longer than there's been a DU:

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No more American lives for Islam! Bring our troops home now.



87 posted on 08/22/2005 12:14:38 PM PDT by MrLee
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Bush is mostly toast when long time Freppers start calling for bringing the troops home!

[stevietheman]

109. Holy effing Christ! The chimp's mask is falling off! n/t

n/t

[unhappycamper]

12. Here's a hint when you post a link to freeperville

If you change the link from

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1468350/posts

to

http://www.freerepublic.com.nyud.net:8090/focus/f-news/1468350/posts

you'll read their post thru a public cache & readers won't boost the count of folks accessing their web slur site.


on edit to add my favorite post:

Did people think the Iraqi legislators would dawn powdered wigs and draft on constitution based on Christian ideology like our founding Fathers did?

10 posted on 08/22/2005 11:24:37 AM PDT by NavyCanDo

[PunkPop]

57. LOL! Oh, the irony.

Freeper acting like a know-it-all using an analogy that proves he knows nothing.

[smoogatz]

71. And inventing a new verb.

To dawn.

I guess I should go back and reread the U.S. Constitution more closely. I apparently missed all the references to God, Christianity and Jesus Christ for first hundred-or-so times.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

67. Yeah, but bandwidth costs them money.

I'd rather hit em in the pocket book than boost their arbitrary hit counter.

[BR_Parkway]

135. If we're posting favorites -

To: Charlesj
Islam is defined as a "a" main source, not "the" main source of state legislation. That leaves enough wriggle room to keep some secular personal status laws, such as those pertaining to women, on the statute books. Its not enough for extremists like Musab al Zarqawi, who view a secular constitution as godless and hold the Koran is the only law Muslims should live under.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
42 posted on 08/22/2005 11:50:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Just for fun, let's replace a word or two:

That leaves enough wriggle room to keep some secular personal status laws, such as those pertaining to women, on the statute books. Its not enough for extremists like Dobson, Falwell or Robertson, who view a secular constitution as godless and hold the Bible is the only law Americans should live under.

And we thought Freeps had no sense of irony.....

[Straight Shooter]

13. It's their own damned fault they couldn't read the writing on the wall.

I swear, it's almost Biblical. The signs were there as if writ by the hand of God, Stay the Hell out of Iraq. But they did not listen, and now we are all in greater danger.

Saddam and Osama must be laughing their a**es off. What neither could do alone, bush has managed to fulfill both their dreams, a gradually growing cohesion of anti-Americanism based in growing Islamic theocracy in the Middle East.

bush has the spider's touch. The black widow spider, the brown recluse spider.

[EC]

55. And today, with Saddam offering himself as a martyr

I'm guessing theres going to be more bad news outta there....

[CatholicEdHead]

81. I am suprised they have given up on the "End of the World"

defenses. Where is the Revelation 7 horseman posts? What about the "glorious second coming"? :rolleyes:

[Child_Of_Isis]

14. Wow!

It took them this long to catch on!

[oasis]

16. Freep wouldn't vote for a Dem, but voted for a Shia Govt. in Iraq via Bush

He also voted for "Bush's war".

[Carla in Ca]

58. LOL...I liked that

"Before you democrats chuckle, I wouldn't vote you in office on a bet."

HaHa!

[SammyWinstonJack]

114. What's that called?

"Bite your nose off to spite your face" Or something like that. :yoiks:

[meganmonkey]

17. "Everybody calm down. This is Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld...

...we're talking about, not the RATS. Everything will work out fine. They've gotten us this far with overwhelming success. Don't go wobbly now that the end is nearly in sight."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[myrna minx]

36. No WAY!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

""Everybody calm down. This is Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld..."
Bwahhahhahhahhahhahaha!!!

[northernsoul]

39. Don't worry. Larry, Curly, and Moe have everything under control.

Sheesh, if you're gonna be evil at least by competent!

[myrna minx]

52. Hey NS.

:hi: Are you enjoying the last days of summer? Doesn't it feel like an autumn day today?

These freeps are pretty amazing aren't they. I can't imagine how difficult life must be being so incredibly delusional.

My neighbor finds out today if he ships out for Iraq. He was raised Pentecostal and had always been a republican. Wellll, he told me that the he and the folks in his unit can't believe Rumsfeld still has a job. His only word to describe the war is FUBAR. We joke around politically, but he was completely serious last night. Poor kid, he's only 21. :cry:

[NewJeffCT]

120. throw me a frickin' bone here

sorry, I don't really know the Stooges, so I chose another evil incompetent.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

98. hahahah!!!

i swear FR is the best place on the entire web for satire. there, satire and irony are like uncut diamonds just waiting to be mined.

i wish i could stand to go in that horrid place.

[Beaverhausen]

41. "They've gotten us this far with overwhelming success." WTF???

:rofl:

[meganmonkey]

42. For the record, one of the replies on FR was

simply 'LOL'

Gotta give that person credit
:shrug:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

48. That one got me too!!

that poor little freeper is as bloated with kool aid as a tic on a dog getting ready to explode. The only end in sight is cheney's big white ass giving them all a huge mooning.

[Eloriel]

49. overwhelming success?

I musta slept thru that. Hmmm.

[smoogatz]

72. Oh. My. God.

Too fucking funny. Have Bush, Cheney and Rummy been right about ANYTHING yet? Let's see: tax cuts paying for themselves? Nope. Rogue states with missiles only real threat to our security? Nuh-uh. Oil prices responding to "jawboning"? Qualified no--what little (if any) jawboning's been done has apparently caused oil prices to almost double since 2000. Iraq's WMD/al Qaeda connection? Nootwah. Iraqis welcoming us as liberators? Um, no. Handover of sovreignty dealing a death-blow to the insurgency? Nyet. Ditto Iraqi elections? Nein, fraulein. Insurgency being in its last throes? Well, again, somewhat open to debate: as the VP informs us, "last throes" can go on for ten or twelve years. Freedom's on the march in Iraq? Well, if freedom means being ruled by an Islamic theocracy, I guess so. Iraq the central front in the "war on terror"? It is now, mofo.

[smartvoter]

18. So they're how many years behind us in the light going on? nt

[derby378]

19. "Before you democrats chuckle, I wouldn't vote you in office on a bet"

Hey, uh, Mr. FReeper? Guess what? In a real democracy, you get to vote. And guess what? That vote of yours gets counted. By someone who is completely unbiased, not some private corporation that'll sue anyone into the Bronze Age who tries to decomiple or reverse-engineer their proprietary code. Oh, and that code? It's rigged.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. Right. My tax dollars go towards establishing CHRISTIAN Theocracies

or nothing at all!

[MADem]

60. My thoughts exactly--they would not have a problem if it was the right

KIND of theocracy...and ole Jesus and the Ten C's were leading the charge!

[Secular Agent Man]

21. Looks like they are in 'Shock and Awe" of the outcome.

See Freepers, that's what happens when you don't know your enemy. You had ears, but would not listen...

[wicket]

22. Maybe if they'd only listened to us 2 1/5 years ago!

Stupid freepers.

[jackster]

61. i hate saying we told you so....

but we told you so.....

just like Molly Ivans in one of her books - which was it - we tried to tell you about Shrubya but you wouldn't listen....

[geckosfeet]

23. Fuck the freeps. If I wanted to read their crap I would visit their site.

And that will not happen.

[LondonReign2]

25. Gee, Freepers

Ya think? Golly, I guess no one could have guessed this whole thing would be a gigantic cluster fuck, huh? Darn, maybe if just someone had warned you...

Dumbasses. Destructive dumbasses. Evil destructive dumbasses.

[Stirk]

26. Yep. And now we look like a paper tiger. Thanks alot, idiot Freeps.

Kind of like the Soviets in Afghanistan. They pulled out and exposed the real limits of Soviet power. Things started crumbling not long after, with all sorts of satellite states demanding autonomy.

We're seeing the same sort of thing already in South America. Not that it's bad- I'm all for countries like Venezuela standing up for themselves. But we look weaker than ever now, and that's just a fact.

You know, alot of people predicted all this shit. We were called the "loony left".

[fob]

28. Hey OpusatFR, you go girl! To your own ignorance be true!

Before you democrats chuckle, I wouldn't vote you in office on a bet.

4 posted on 08/22/2005 11:19:45 AM PDT by OpusatFR

[Union Thug]

30. Hey Freepers...you got this coming...

HA HA! Told ya so...

[meganmonkey]

31. Good lord, even their sig lines are ridiculous

by Warren_Piece
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:wtf:

Doesn't even make grammatical sense. I guess it is a take on Baby Got Back, but it just...boggles...the mind...

[elehhhhna]

32. Someday maybe we'll merge & Be Freepocratic Underepublic!

Oh the irony.

GW really IS a uniter!

[Saphire]

33. Ahhh, a voice of reason???????

To: Charlesj
Everybody calm down. This is Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld we're talking about, not the RATS. Everything will work out fine. They've gotten us this far with overwhelming success. Don't go wobbly now that the end is nearly in sight.

[DS1]

34. This is one of those times I'd enjoy rubbing someone's face

in their own shit. On cement.

[progressoid]

37. "Gosh Beaver, how could this happen?

Welcome to reality freepi. Your leaders are douchebags.

[pa28]

38. We made Saddam and now we've made this.

BTW: why can't they just form the words "miserable failure".

[GreenPartyVoter]

47. It's Iran all over again. Except the pit stop in democracy was shorter,

[Old and In the Way]

40. So let's provide them a recap.

On the plus side-

* We got rid of an old defanged secular tyrant.

At the cost of:

* 1800 American Lives...and counting
* 10's of thousands of American casualties
* 10's of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives
* $300BB of US Treasury down the drain
* Our international reputation

What we got:

* At best, an end to secular moderation in Iraq.
* Islamic theocracy not a democracy; at worst a balkanized country that will ensure ME destabilization for decades.
* Millions of new terrorists that hate America.
* $70bbl oil

And all we get is the sad humor of watch FreeRepublicans dance on the head of a pin.

[Eloriel]

56. No, no, no -- not down the drain!

* $300BB of US Treasury down the drain

Safely in the pockets of Halliburton and its subsidiaries (KBR), Carlyle properties, DynCorp, and other fine, upstanding war profiteers. :spank:

[Garbo 2004]

126. Yup, our tax dollars not at work, lining pockets of the robber barons.nt

[Jacobin]

80. Um, except that oil thingy?

We don't got.

Cross that off your list:

http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm

Here's the last 60 days of what happened to 'our' oil:


237. June 3 - 8 a.m. attack on pipeline between Kirkuk and the Dibis refinery, about 30 miles west.
238. June 8 - saboteurs blew up a main oil pipeline near Kirkuk.
239. June 8 - saboteurs opened connections between two pipelines near the Bayji refinery causing oil spill.
240. June 9 - 8:00 p.m. saboteurs blew up a major oil pipeline five miles east of the Bayji refinery.
241. June 15 - insurgents blew up a pipeline near Baghdad that transports crude oil between Bayji and Daura.
242. June 23 - attack on pipeline carrying crude from Kirkuk to Bayji, near al-Fathah.
243. June 25 - attack on oil pipleline leading from Kirkuk to Ceyhan.
244. June 24 - pipeline linking the southern fields around Basra to Daura. The attack took place near Yusifiyah.
245. June 28 - attack on pipeline in southwestern Baghdad.
246. June 29 - attack on a natural gas pipeline linking storage facilities in Yousfiyah, south of Baghdad, to a plant in Baghdad.
247. July 3 - attack on a key feeder pipeline that leads to the Daura refinery.
248. July 8 - mortar attack on the Daura oil refinery hit a pipeline attached to one of the reservoirs.
249. July 20 - attack on an oil pipeline that connects Bayji and Baghdad.
250. July 20 - 6:00 a.m. a roadside bomb exploded under the pipeline that goes from Kirkuk to the Daura refinery.
251. July 20 - late night attack on oil pipeline between Mahmoudiyeh and Latifiyehin in southern Iraq.
252. July 21 - insurgents incinerated an oil pipeline west of Samarra.
253. July 26 - two Iraqi security personnel were killed and three wounded by mortar fire near Bayji while guarding an oil pipeline.
254. July 28 - a bomb hit an oil pipeline conecting Bayji and Kirkuk. A gas pipeline that supplies Bayji power station was also damaged during the attack.
255. July 28 - a bomb on a railway line hit a train carrying oil products near Baghdad, causing a huge fire.
256. August 3 - an explosion damaged a pipeline used for shipping fuel to a Baghdad power plant north of the capital.
257. August 4 - 5:00a.m. three explosions set ablaze a pipeline near Kirkuk.

[Old and In the Way]

84. Well,,,,,,we certainly know who is benefiting from $70bbl oil.

and it's no one posting here or at the FR. I've always thought that the point was to keep Iraqi oil product off the market, to maximize profits from here on out to the end of usable oil. When SA is tapped out, Iraq will become just stable enough to allow $120.00/bbl to get to market.

[tomg]

43. Don't worry. It will all go back to normal

as soon as one them explains how it is all Clinton's fault.

[electropop]

74. Yeah, it's Clinton's fault, because Clinton shoulda done it earlier

Clinton should've advocated an attack...oh, wait a minute...

Actually, I'm REALLY glad now that the Pukes blocked him, so now it can be all Bush's fault. :evilgrin:

[SiouxJ]

44. Waking up to the fact that this war is not about freeing these people

Shrub and his cronies could care less about that. It wasn't about WMD's either. So, what are our troops dying for? Are you finally going to wake up to the fact that you've been lied to and deceived? If not now then when? Please wake up and stop supporting this Idiot!

[tomg]

45. self delete

[Singular73]

54. I hope the irony isn't lost on anyone

Republicans complaining that someone wants a theocratic state LOL.

Its too stupid for words....perhaps it just wasn't intelligently design...

[Terran]

46. They're right about something, for once.

I for one don't believe in making fun of somebody who's having an epiphany, no matter how late it is. Maybe some of them will permanently see the light from this disaster.

[Beaverhausen]

50. Suddenly a bunch of them are against the war

and have been since the beginning.

:rofl:

Wow...they are just nuts over there. That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Are you sure that is really FR?

[trekbiker]

53. freeper heads are spinning and twisting...

clean off thier little moran necks... then exploding..

Hey lurking FREEPS!!!!! an Islamic Democracy??? are you completely stupid???

"Democracy" without seperation of church and state?? aahaahhahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!

thousands of lives destroyed and hundreds of billions flushed down the toilet for what?? uh.. another IRAN??!?!?!?!! only this Iran is Osama's dream come true ultimate training camp.. courtesy of the Idiot in Chief and his PNAC fucksquad..!

[Zenlitened]

66. Excellent point-without separation of church & state, it's not a democracy

:thumbsup:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

59. Oh man! If the freeps start agreeing with us on this

pretty soon we'll all be sitting in a circle singing Kumbaya. HAHAHAHA

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Their Contempt For Islam Trumps Their Loyalty To Bush

That being said how did we end up creating the second Islamic republic in the Middle East....

[mom cat]

79. Bigotry has it's virtue!

:sarcasm:

[Burried News]

64. Welcome to reality - and you freepers were the midwives.

[RobertSeattle]

68. Sounds like a Priceless commerical

Iraq War...1800+ American Lives
War Cost...100's of Billions
Islamic Theocracy...Priceless

[tinfoilinfor2005]

73. I smell a bumper sticker! n/t

[RobertSeattle]

69. SELF Delete - Dupe

[Beaverhausen]

70. "I didn't see/hear any one making the hugh deal about this "

"This has been bugging me for a week---I heard last week that this was heading toward Islamic Law only...and I posted it..

BUT, I didn't see/hear any one making the hugh deal about this that I was...I figured I must have misunderstood, because can ANY of us say truthfully, that if this constitution calls for a fundamentalist Islamic state, that we would feel like all of this has been for NOTHING!!!

Talk about giving Cindy Sheehan and pals AMMUNITION!!! Plus, the insurgents are still doing their nasty stuff. I could handle the insurgents IF I knew that the Iraqi people were fighting for their own DEMOCRATIC type government....but to have them go from Saddam to the Taliban...

I say that Bush should just quit...cause his "PARTY" is OVER.

152 posted on 08/22/2005 12:58:35 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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Bugging you for a whole week, huh?

[tinfoilinfor2005]

75. Amazing. Just amazing.

I skimmed through the freeper junk but missed this one. Hope Camp Casey sees your post. That would be a HUGH thrill!

[Warren DeMontague]

77. Here's where their logic breaks down:

See, we're supposed to be "liberating" these people. Liberation means self-determination. Self-determination means that if a majority of people want things to be one way, that's how it's going to be.. and the majority of Iraqis are Shiites who want a theocracy... soooooo... figure it out.

What boggles, really, is that people don't get the obvious: If we leave now, there will be lots of fighting, a fractured country, and a majority shiite theocracy. If we STAY, there will be lots of fighting, a fractured country, and a majority shiite theocracy.

So, uh, knowing all that... what could possibly be the reason for keeping troops there?

Hmmmmm, lemme think.

[jimshoes]

107. The correct usage is

HUGH!!!111 I believe. There was a good thread on freepisms earlier today. Hilarious!

[PsychoDad]

128. Couldn't have stated it better.

But many here and at free republic feel that "self determination" for Iraq should only go as far as accepting the government we want them to have.

You know, "democracy" as in "By We the People, For you the other people, no menu substitutions or other offers accepted".

I look at many of the threads at FR and here, and I just have to wonder, "Why do they hate us for our freedoms"? Maybe it's just our understanding of "freedom" that leaves a bad taste in their mouths and an Islamic republic is to them a better alternative than a "democracy" like modern america.

And that by itself should give us pause.

Peace.

[Warren DeMontague]

133. Well, pesonally, I think theocracies are generally for shit.

As is any country that doesn't guarantee full equal civil rights for women, gays, and minorities.

As is any country that doesn't have free, fair, and full representative democracy as it's overriding governing principle.

I also don't particularly like countries where the government wastes a lot of time trying to tell consenting adults what they can or cannot do with their own bodies.

(By that measure, really, I think the Netherlands is perhaps the only truly progressively-governed place on Planet Earth)

Hey, that's just my opinion.

But I also think invading other countries to tell them what to do is generally a VERY bad idea. My concern is democracy and freedom HERE, not Iraq.

[LondonReign2]

85. The hugh deal, huh?

Yes, it certainly is hugh. (shakes head in dispair...)

[callous taoboy]

76. They must tire of changing their shorts these days. n/t

[Lori Price CLG]

78. 'Freeper heads exploding' --LOLOL!!

[Independent_Liberal]

83. Hahaha!!!

I love it when their heads explode!

:D

[bribri16]

86. They are just repeating talking points. They don't know the meaning

of the word "theocracy."

[Beaverhausen]

88. and here it is - one of them blames Clinton (and Carter)

To: Charlesj

Okay lets imagine Iraq does turn into an islamic theocracy (and this is highly unlikely given facts on the ground). Whose fault would it really be?

Well it's clear that Islamic Iran is responsible for helping the terrorists in Iraq and forcing Iraq to become an islamic theocracy.

In other words, if Iran was secular this wouldn't be a problem. Any blame for an Iraqi theocracy lies squarely at the feet of Jimmy Carter for allowing an Islamic Iran to emerge. Also if Clinton had actually pursued Bin Laden this wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.

Just think the liberals should know this before they try to spin the situation (seems they have started).


177 posted on 08/22/2005 1:17:48 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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[ninkasi]

92. Thanks for posting that, Beaverhausen

bobdsmith must hold the world record for mental contortions, in coming up with a conclusion like that. It only goes to show that the truly deluded will allow no obstacle, certainly not an obstacle like the truth, to prevent them from clinging to their delusions.

[Beaverhausen]

97. the world record for mental contortions is right!

that is the most twisted logic I have heard in a long, long time.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

99. why do they hate Iraqi freedom?

i mean, the Iraqis are likely to put God in the courthouses and the government and in the schools too. And our troops did it! It sounds like it would be a religious zealot's paradise, why are they so goddamned upset about it!?

[Catrina]

104. Finally!! I thought they had lost it so completely

they forgot to blame Clinton! :rofl:

Bobdsmith, while true to freeper form by remembering to blame Clinton, completely forgot 8 years of Reagan and four of Bush Sr. supplying Saddam with funding and weapons, including chemical agents while he fought Iran ~ and poor Bob doesn't seem to know that Reagan/Bush/Rummy/Cheney et al, sometimes helped Iran just to balance things out.

I don't think I've ever defended Bush before, but why are Freepers putting all the blame on him? Were they not his most ardent supporters as he set the stage for an Islamic Theocracy in Iraq?

Now they want him to take all the blame ~ the fact is, without them, he couldn't have done it!! What happened to taking responsibilty for your own actions? Unbelievable!!

[Threedifferentones]

89. It's funny how these morons don't even know the

history of the country they claim to love so much. I have noticed that alot of freepers seem to think of people in the Mid-East as essentially stupider and more brutal than Americans. They talk as if America has always treated everyone fairly. Even if it were true that America has the utmost respect for the rights and needs of all its citizens (HAH), a mere century ago WELL over half the population could not vote. A few centuries before that we wiped out one race of people and enslaved another without a second thought purely for our own benefit. Where do these fuckers get the idea that we have the moral high ground?

[bpilgrim]

90. Every Republican we all know will agree with us on this... we MUST use it

to help WAKE them up before the NUKES start fly'n and start have'n some ADULT conversations :nuke:

peace

[Miss Chybil]

91. Schadenfreude was Dictionary.com's word of the day yesterday.

They seem to be quite prophetic with their words. I often wonder, if it's a Democrat that runs it, or at least, picks the words. They're always so apropos for the events unfolding in our political world.

[agincourt]

94. Well?

What did they expect? Laura needs a burka now.

[boston bean]

100. How suprising!

I thought they support the religious state.

:wow:

[Ilsa]

101. "Another theocracy..." ??? I wonder if the poster meant besides

Afghanistan. Other? Apparently they don't understand that Iraq wasn't a theocracy under Saddam.

[progressivebydesign]

118. I think they meant other than America in its current state. n/t

[niallmac]

102. Saddam was evil glue, but he was glue.

Tito was a bad actor too but he kept religious rivalry in check (no pun intended)
" 'Yeehaw' is not a foreign policy." ...someones bumper sticker...

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. Oh I need a shower

but this was enlightening readying... bring the troops home, I even read that over there.

[rateyes]

106. Isn't it amazing..

that the very people who want theocracy in the U.S.A., DON'T want a theocracy in Iraq? The very people who say that the first amendment of our constitution does not erect a wall separating church and state, insist that the idea of separation of mosque and state be written into the Iraqi constitution?

Isn't it ironic that we were told we went to war to spread "democracy" and make Iraq a "democratic republic" and the sovreign nation of Iraq has decided instead to create an Islamic Republic, JUST LIKE IRAN's with a Shiite majority?

Isn't it ironic that, under Saddam's rule, women had more freedom than they will now enjoy under the new Iraqi constitution?

Tell me again, somebody, what was the noble cause?

[stevietheman]

108. Bush in a BOX, Bush in a BOX, oh yeah!

Now, no matter what Bush tries in Iraq, things will only get worse for him. Poor Bushie.

If he tries to stop the constitutional process in Iraq to avert an Islamic Republic, it will blow up in his face on the ground in Iraq. If he doesn't try to stop it, it will blow up in his face politically with much of the remaining support for the war.

Bush may as well cover his face with charcoal right now and be done with it.

[Maru Kitteh]

110. It won't be long now - and here's the proof

To: Charlesj
Well its no longer a question bring the boys home...No sense being there if their not protecting freedom, because they are officially not now.

the war is officially a failure.



16 posted on 08/22/2005 11:33:18 AM PDT by TShaunK
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P.S. Freepers, you know how you're always starting prayer circles? I have a suggestion. Please pray for a spell checker and a grammar fairy. That is all. Oh, wait! One more thing. WE TOLD YOU SO. :banghead:

[Dynasty_At_Passes]

111. "I won't vote for you democrats on a bet"

On a bet? :crazy: These folks have completely lost their minds...

[peekaloo]

112. Positive note: They won't make much mess!

[Mr_Spock]

113. Should we be providing M80's to help them in their time of need?

I mean, it's the humanitarian thing to do :rofl:

[johnfunk]

122. Send GimpRob and his FRepublicans a case...

... of custom DU M80 self-lighting suppositories!

[Mr_Spock]

124. Uggh, that's gross

They are so full of it - that's disgusting!!

[dchill]

115. "Don't worry,

I'm sure Bush will try to spin this ..."

Oh yeah, billbears, it's all about that Bushspin - screw those 1800+ dead troops. Don't worry, George W. Bush will spin it all away.

[leesa]

116. They actually bought the lie that we were liberating Iraq!! Amazing.

[progressivebydesign]

117. Uh. We bombed a secular, middle cass country to smithereens..

.. and we install a theocracy in its place?

Hey freeper peeps, it's not part of a plan, it's FUBAR courtesy of your fearless leader. (or is that clueless leader?)

[Ladyhawk]

119. Stupid Question: Has this been reported in the "mainstream" media?

I don't have TV.

[Garbo 2004]

129. Likely they spotted a Drudge headline that went like this:

IRAQ CONSTITUTION DRAFT SAYS LAWS MUST CONFORM TO ISLAM... that links to a Reuters story here: http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050822/2005-08-22T234539Z_01_MOL045458_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-DC.html

But yeah, the news about the draft constitution and the bit that Iraqi laws may not be contrary to Islam is out there in the corporate media.

[ZombieGak]

121. the ultimate insult......

A rabidly Christian president would be responsible for the establishment of a Islamic state.

[stevietheman]

123. And what tops it all...

the grand irony is probably lost on the chimp himself.

[ZombieGak]

125. I just hope.......

I just hope this isn't lost on the ditto-bots in the religious-Right. Just think what it would do to their programming!

[stevietheman]

127. Yeah, the fundies must not be too happy about...

indirectly supporting a new Islamic republic all but founded by their uber-Christian leader in the White House. I can only imagine the cognitive dissonance they must be experiencing. And I'm sure they'll put great pressure on Bush to prevent the Islamic state from forming, and in doing the bidding for the fundies, matters in Iraq will get much, much worse.

[fishwax]

130. A "Holy Cow!" reaction to a "No Shit" development

It might be funny if the cost weren't so outrageously high. Honestly, how could they not see this coming? Bastards.

[osaMABUSh]

132. God, I love this....

"Everybody calm down. This is Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld we're talking about, not the RATS. Everything will work out fine. They've gotten us this far with overwhelming success. Don't go wobbly now that the end is nearly in sight."

This moran still believes.

However, he is right about the end being near: Plamegate indictments and '06 election.

[johnfunk]

137. I love the smell of purple Kool-Aid in the morning...

"Don't go wobbly now that the arsenic is kicking in..."

[hnsez]

138. It makes me even happier about it after reading this:

because they deserve it - hell they deserve much worse, and will most likely get it from the * but many of em will be dead before they wake up and vote Dem:

To: Charlesj
So what the heck does this mean?

Sharia law by default?

Before you democrats chuckle, I wouldn't vote you in office on a bet.



4 posted on 08/22/2005 11:19:45 AM PDT by OpusatFR