Inside 9/11 - on National Geographic TV - now...n/t

[RagAss]

[LetsGoMurphys]

1. I watched it last night

quite disturbing. They are supposed to be doing this for "Allah" yet they called an escort service the night before trying to get a prostitute. They also ordered a porn in their hotel room.

[RagAss]

2. part 2 is on now...going into the highjackings - specifics

[LetsGoMurphys]

3. im watching

[BlueEyedSon]

14. Weren't they big drinkers and possible drug users?

not very Muslim of them...

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[txindy]

22. Oh, good God

Type fast.

:popcorn:

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[txindy]

27. Keep making cracks about Muhammed and Islam like that

And you'll find out very quickly. Don't let me stop you.

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[pamela]

4. I'm watching this, too.

It is chilling, but very well done. There is a lot of footage and audio that I have never seen or heard before.

I thought Part 1 was very good. I love that they included the Aug 6 PDB.

[wli]

5. trial ballooning MIHOP?

Maybe these freaks really are going to get brought to justice.

Not that I'll let myself get my hopes up.

[halobeam]

6. I just finished watching the ending,

anyone else here a bit pissed off they threw Iraq in here as the "War on Terror continues" ???

[bpilgrim]

7. did they show this snippet --------------- ---------- > VIDEO

http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wtc7.swf

peace

[bpilgrim]

34. guess not...

though that is hardly surprising since that is just 1 of the ??? they want us to forget about.

peace

[KyndCulture]

8. Just finished watching it... I'm.... um.. I dunno.

I can't figure out how I feel. I'm angry they threw Iraq in there, but they didn't make the connection. I'm numb from seeing the families and the firemen... and I'm fucking furious that OBL is still out there...


and all I keep thinking to myself is we just installed another Islamic extremist gov't...that will harbor and pay for these things - in Iraq - where it didn't previously exist.

The word fucked doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about our country right now. Dear God what have we done.


and my hatred for bush and his cronies is about 1000% more than it was 2 hours ago.

[flyarm]

9. is it going to re-run??

i want to watch..but i have to find national g. on my cable..

thanks for your answer..

fly

[pamela]

11. It's on again right now.

They are showing a rerun of Part 1 now and will show Part 2 again in 2 hours.

[julialnyc]

12. it's replaying right now

here is their website (I bet they'll be playing it quite a bit leading up to 9/11)

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/

[goclark]

58. I just see it listed for Sept.8th

[drfresh]

17. The connection?

I'm pretty sure there wasn't one (between 9/11 and Iraq)...whatcha mean dawg?

[KyndCulture]

19. Sorry.. I mean that there ISN'T a connection... I'm pretty overloaded.

I meant to say that I was impressed they didn't SAY there was a connection and it wasn't propaganda..

That show was emotional to the extreme.

[LetsGoMurphys]

28. my sentiments exactly

[julialnyc]

10. I can't shake the image of the guy waving his jacket out of the window

and then trying to crawl out the window and climb down (and slipped and fell). I am feeling terrible after watching that.How can anyone begin to imagine that fear?

[Corgigal]

13. Me neither

and all the missed opportunities to get ONE damn fighter plane near ONE damn commercial airplane. I'm sure other pilots in the air were giving reports on where those airplanes were too.

I got a splitting headache.

[julialnyc]

60. They still were looking for flight 11 what seemed like hours later

but man......... the image of that guy trying to crawl out.That was deeply terrifying and disturbing.

[KyndCulture]

15. I am still shaken up by the show.

I watched part one last night and part two tonight.

If I had a sleeping pill I'd be taking it right about now... there are some images I can't get out of my head.

[flyarm]

46. thats exactly what this was meant to do..the fear factor game

is back on!!
*'es numbers are crashing so ..lets remind you all what a good job your * did for you!!

its bullshit!

how many other crashed have you seen documentaries of??

twa800??
egypt air??

how about american airlines in rockaway ny shortly after 9/11..the fasted aircrash story to ever move off the front pages of a newspaper! or the news!!

people this was a propaganda ploy!

it was meant to scare you again..

and lets look at the rockaway story...

plane looses tail..and engine and rutter ..
and the head of the ntsb going on national tv and she says they knew they were going down..they dumped alot of the fuel..

well then pataki goes on tv in NY and repeats the same thing several times...

well folks that aircraft has no means to dump fuel!
not like the fuel that came out of that plane right after takeoff!

but bingo it was all off the fronts of the papers in 3 days..and off the news in 3 days...

that still bugs the crap out of me!

from a " NOW" RETIRED AMERICAN AIRLINES FLT ATTEND NY BASED

[KyndCulture]

18. How about the Air Traffic Controller that begged the Air Force to help

and they said no, we are watching other events at the moment...

or the ticket agent that sold the hijackers their tickets...

I never imagined the way these people felt..The utter guilt was just bleeding from them when they spoke.


I need a stiff drink.

[XOKCowboy]

21. Thanks for the heads up....

I've been watching and didn't know that Bin Forgotten and Al Quaeda have been around since 1994. All this info and we just let the PDB saying OBL determined to strike the US go in the trash??

[txindy]

24. Well, Junior was on vacation when he saw that, you know

He had to 'get on with his life'. Presidentin' for less than nine months was "hard work!" Vacation time!

Unreal.

[bpilgrim]

39. and the spook who tore up all the audio tapes of the ATC com

i'm sure he was concerned about privacy issues, is all

peace

[flyarm]

44. and why wasn't that guy put under oath at the 9/11 commission

then arrested immediately for destroying evidence from a plane crash..its a federal offence to destroy evidence of any air crash!
even those audio tapes once they were made!

fly

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[Al-CIAda]

25. I'll bet they didn't talk about the war games using the exact circumstance

as what occured that morning. Nope, I bet they didn't.

The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.
Testimony of Sentor Dayton and an interview with Dr. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret. USAF) by Micheal Kane. He discusses the war games planned that very morning at the exact time the event occured.

Video-

http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-08-04/dayton.html

[Corgigal]

26. actually they did

and they played a tape of the ATC'er telling the people at the Rome New York Air Force base that this wasn't an exercise.

[alcibiades_mystery]

53. They did talk about it

They played the tape of the FAA guy calling NEADS, and the NEADS guy saying "Is this real world or exercise?" They explained that there was a simulation exercise with a similar scenario going on that morning.

[napi21]

29. I watched all four hours tonight. It was a very well done documentary.

I had heard most of what they showed because I also watched all of the 911 commission hearings, but it's much more gruesome when on film.

Something still keeps me from criticizing the FAA, Air Traffic Controllers, etc though. Americans always looked at violent attacks like these as something that happens in Israel, Pakistan, Sudan, and places like that, but not here! Was that stupid and naieve? Of course! But I'm just a guilty. I used to watch the films of the violence in Israel and ask, why do those people stay there? Hell, I'd move!

Having said that...what do you think would have been the response if the US Military, FAA and NORAD had really been on top of this, and had shot down 4 US passenger jets before they did their fatal attacks? What if our intelligence had been good enough to really know what the intent of those terrorists was?

Would we have believed it? I'm not sure I would have.

I know it's playing the what if game, but I can't stop thinking about that.

[Corgigal]

30. After the 2nd plane hit the tower

who didn't know what they intended to do? It wasn't an intelligence problem at that time, as soon as the planes went missing and handled as a hijack they became a national security issue.

[napi21]

32. I understand that, but would we have accepted our military shooting down

3 passenger airliners because they THOUGHT they knew what they were going to do?

Think about that for a few minutes before you answer. I'm not sure!

[Corgigal]

35. Fuck YEAH

Hate to tell you this but people on Hijacked aircraft are normally thought of as dead. Now, if you get lucky and a few live then it's a great day.

Planes just don't turn off transponders and do a 180 for no reason. The controllers also heard Atta and another hijacker pilot key up and tell the passengers their instructions.

What is SOP is getting someone up and meeting up with commercial plane so you can do eye contact and your transponder then can be used to track the other planes whereabout. First things first, of course not a damn thing was done this day.

[bpilgrim]

36. after the first 1 they knew & they did shoot 1 down in Pennsylvania

most likely

couldn't have anyone reporting the plane was on auto pilot after they stormed the cockpit.

peace

[bpilgrim]

37. would folks have accepted our gov fighting a PREVENTIVE (illegal) WAR?

we're just FOCUS GROUPS to the neoCONs.

fyi

peace

[flyarm]

48. ABSOLUTELY!!

that is the proceedures !!

[Al-CIAda]

31. Should I post evidence of

foreknowledge? I don't think so. It exsists, as do whistleblowers. As far as the program mentioning war games, I will have to see for myself. I find it hard to believe they presented it in what it reveals.

[bpilgrim]

38. did they mention the fact of our planes being ARMED and in the AIR

at the time of the attacks should have made our response even more RAPID.

probably not :shrug:

peace

[bpilgrim]

33. this whole horrid attack took almost 2 hrs.

there was a stand-down order in the system.

BTW: did they shed any light on WTC7?
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wtc7.swf

tia :hi:

peace

[SpiralHawk]

50. BushCo's Pentagon had at least an hour warning

before they were struck.

But they couldn't even muster a pea shooter to defend the Pentagon in the nation's capital.

Pathetic, or treasonous?

[Beam Me Up]

42. What makes you think "bad intelligence" led to 9/11?

This administration says "bad intelligence" led them to attack Iraq. The DSM, and many other things, indicate to the contrary that it was the INTENTION of his administration to attack Iraq and overthrow Sadam months before 9/11. But, of course, they needed a REASON; and 9/11 gave them precisely that.

Michael Ruppert said it best, "9/11 wasn't an intelligence failure, it was an intelligence success." Someone else put it differently, "At what point does 'incompetence' cease to be an excuse for TREASON?"

[Sparkman]

61. The PNAC or the Office of Special Plans- Neocons sight'g on Iraq pre 2001.

Oil and U.S. military bases in Iraq, 10 years of Iraq sanctions proove the desires of the neoilycans, and their war profiteering.
THeir propaganda fooled many, including SOME of the politicians who are now proclaiming innocent ignorance for signing on to the neocon war resolution in 2003.

[nomatrix]

41. I thought it was well done

because they pointed out how difficult it is to hunt down a group who are willing to do anything for their cause, and are everywhere in the world.

They did a fine job of pointing out some heroes who helped people get out of the buildings and were never seen again. Interviews with those who became widows that day. No mention of John O'Neil and his FBI hunt for bin laden, or that he was last seen alive going back into the WTC to help people get out.

It was the darkest day in US history. It is not going to end until the US gets out of that region or finds an alternative fuel.

[flyarm]

43. omg i saw something that just hit me hard!!

remember after m.moores film came out..and there was an uproar of how bush just sat in the class room??
does anyone have any tape or transcript of either * or scotty or ari saying...* didnt want to get up and scare the children...
????

i distinctively remember that being said but i don't know by who..was it condi ..who??

well during that show last night..low and behold in that school when * was doing the press announcement about the usa being attacked ..did anyone notice..that it was like perfectly staged??

the teacher and school ( principle?) were all behind him ..in perfect harmony..but.so were many children........

many children!!

* didn't want to jump up from that classroom and reading about goats because he didn't want to frighten children...but he goes to talk to the nation with his back drop being the teachers and the ..children!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the children were used as his backdrop!!

if he didn't want to frighten the children..why were children placed behind him for the photo shoot of announcing to the country were are under attack...??
why were the children not kept in a class room away from what was going on so they wouldn't be frightened..or terrified??

why were the kids used for the announcement??

and several were african american little ones..it was a perfect back drop...

everything about it was perfectly staged!

why didn't * under grave circumstances go in front of the cameras without a back drop..we were under attack..
but these kids were rounded up and put in perfect photo backdrop for * talking to the nation..why put kids through that..they were lined up and it was like a photo shoot..

there was still a possibility at that time that that school could be a target with * in it..with no norad scrambled to protect that school , and i say that because when * took off finally on air force 1 there was no air force escort!...no f16's were scrambled to escort af1 out of sarasota!

if * didn't want to scare the kids in the classroom and he sat there mumified..why would he have himself surrounded with children to make his first address to the nation..why wouldn't they keep the kids in that school from being frightened then??

before there parents were notified , or there to pick up there kids..

i am telling you i watched it last night and i saw it immediately..it was a perfectly coriographed picture..the pres, surrounded by children addressing the nation we were under attack!!!!!!!

so his excuse of not wanting to "frighten the children " was just proven a lie by that national g. presentation!

fly

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. Fly, you're right! Thank you for pointing that out! I forgot all about

his backdrop of the children. Not scare them? I always thought that excuse was total bullshit!

[flyarm]

49. but more than just not scaring the children..* and the ss knew they

were safe!!

why did they know those children were safe??

why did the secret service know* was safe?? and not rush him the hell out of there..
why were no f16's scrambled to guard af1 at take off out of sarasota??

and why were those children allowed to remain in that school ??

and then be used for a backdrop for * announcing to the nation we were under attack./..why was it not his staff behind him???

why the children..if there were more terrorists out there..and * didn't know that there weren't ..why would the children have been exposed instead of it "looking " like * was in a secure place..unless * knew he wasn't going to be attacked...

and i say this because at the time that morning they didn't know how many planes were being commendeered!
the thought at the time * did that photo press thing that there were 6 planes missing!

doesn't secret service shove the pres in a car when they think any thing is wrong??

why would the secret service let anyone film * with a perfect photo shot with the children perfectly lined up behind him ...when our nation is being attacked??

unless there was a stand down of the secret service..

unless someone knew those kids were perfectly safe!!
and funny how they picked the kids with the perfect little dresses and clothes on..and they were standing perfectly behind *..

wake up americans..please before its too late!!

fly

[flyarm]

54. and something else i saw...that was glaring to me!!

ual flt 175 went over my home!! why wasn't mcguire afb scrambled ..minutes by air away??

that aircraft could have been forced over the atlantic..that middle section of nj that flt 175 went over..the planes usually go over the atlantic ocean..they come across and go to the atlantic to come into any of the ny airports ..that plane was crossing mid nj..where was mcguire??

why weren't planes scrambled out of mcguire..even if they didn't know the plane was crossing nj..mc guire many times over flys ny..they protect..supposedly ny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! until the morning of 9/11!!!!!!!!!!

that section of nj is so close to the atlantic ..especially by air..

that plane had to go almost directly over sandy hook to go into the wtc!!


why were no f16's scrambled out of nj????????????????????????????????

the plane came so close to flying " over mcguire afb "!!

those pilots sit in those babys 24/7 ready to go...

come on people ..ask the simple questions...

why was no-one from Mcguire brought in front of the 9/11 commission under oath and asked when and if they were scrambled..and if not why not??!!

i had a long time boyfriend and now friend who flies fighters out of mcguire..i know how ready they are!!

why weren't they scrambled??????????????

fly

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

63. Of course they knew Fly!!!! How about the photo-op when he took

off from the airport in Florida??? Does it look like America is under attack when watching it??? BTW.... on Air Force One, ** had yet another photo-op, and the photos were then given as perks at a GOP fundraiser!!!!!

http://www.attackonamerica.net/AirForceOneLeavingSarasota.ram

[sabra]

52. good point. it's interesting, everything stayed on schedule.

the press conf. was scheduled for ~9:30, and * still went forward with it, will all the "props", even though "we were under attack"...

[flyarm]

55. look * said he saw the first plane hit..6 times he said that!!

until someone shut him up..but 6 times he said that..he saw the first plane hit..

well no one saw the first plane hit until the tape was gotten and showed the day "after" 9/11

so hiw did * see the first plane hit??

and he was still at his hotel when the first plane hit..and then proceeded to get in the suv and drive to that school..

why did he go to that school until he found out exactly what happened at wtc?????????????????????????

why did he not demand answers and demand to know exactly what happened ???????

* said 6 times " on record " he saw the first plane hit..how was that possible when no tape was available till the following day???


he said he thought it was a small plane and a bad pilot..anyone looking at the wtc who had any airline or flight background knew right away it was a big plane..by the wing span damage..

i don't mean the tv talking heads..but i was in operations in newark and saw the damage from the first plane and the ny tv talking heads were thinking it could be a small plane..but all of us in operations were screaming at the tv....its not a small plane..we were screaming look at the wing span!


fly

[Beam Me Up]

67. "everything about it was perfectly staged!"

Truer words are seldom spoken, flyarm.

The entire Bush* pResidincy has been and is being STAGED to have a lasting sociopolitical impact.

[H2O Man]

45. It was very well done.

I think it was an impressive program that gave an accurate description of what occured.

[flyarm]

51. all propaganda usually is ..isn't it?? think..scare factor!! again..n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

57. Oh stop it

It is a documentary about a historical event, and a damn good one, in my estimation. Does it have a fear effect as well? Sure, probably. But it can't be reduced to that.

[julialnyc]

59. I didn't think it was propaganda.... sure a few details bothered me

but in general I thought it was the most detailed dissection I've seen on 9/11.You mentioned earlier that Bush used the kids as props behind him............ I think it very much came off that way. Both my husband and I commented that he didn't want to leave the school because he had the excuse "not to scare the children" so he didn't have to deal with what was going on. It made him look very bad. It made the administration look very bad.


What I thought was great about this documentary were the single acts of bravery under the most frightening circumstances.

9/11 was a scary day, but it's also a huge day in our history.Every time Bush invokes it, of course I think propaganda, but for National Geographic does a documentary as the anniversary approaches, I don't think their intentions were bad.

[H2O Man]

65. I think it was

reality-based. That's a good thing. You may prefer something else, which is certainly well within your rights.

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. I agree

The irretrievably stupid notion that there are "live" hijackers, etc., crumbles before this documentary.

I also found it to be, as a side issue, a remarkable psychological study of the hijackers, and particularly Zaid Jarrah. Atta's worries about Jarrah seemed well-founded, and it may have been his hesitation that led to crash of Flight 93 in a field, rather than at the Capitol.

It always seemed to me that that team took too long to get the plane under control and turned around. Sure, they were delayed on the runway, but they didn't take the plane until Ohio, whereas all the other teams went into action much earlier in their respective flights. Jarrah seems like the weak link, psychologically speaking.

Even in his announcement after seizing the plane, he displays a sense of humor that they speak about earlier in the documentary. Whereas Atta goes with the straight "We have some planes...," Jarrah almost makes a joke of it, saying "This is your captain speaking..." Very strange and fascinating personality.

[petron]

62. That show was disinfo at it's best

IMO that 911 show on National Geographic was disinformation. And to believe that what was presented on the show as "fact" borders on intellectual dishonesty.

Things to research:
The show mentioned in passing that Osama and the muhjadeen(sp?) used weapons given to them by the CIA. Well, it's well known that Osama and Co. were heavily sponsored by the CIA, i.e. given money and arms during the Soviet Afghan war in the 80's. Osama was considered a CIA asset.

The show didn't even mention WTC 7 falling later on 9/11. WTC 7 was 47 story building that fell for no real obvious reason. Yea, there were a few little fires in it but there've been plenty of other steel buildings that have burned much hotter and longer and they didn't "fall".

The show also glosses over the fact that the Air Force was doing live fly "exercises" on 9/11. At one point in the show there is audio of an air traffic controller talking to FAA (I think) and one of them asks if the hijack is "live or exercise" or something to that effect. A question worth asking is, what kind of exercises was the Air Force doing on 9/11 and how many?

One appalling aspect of the show was that they had the nerve to talk about the Iraq war as part of the BushCo "war on terror" near the end of the show. Again more disinfo being spread.

There are a thousand other questions that weren't answered in the show and anywhere else in MSM. I suggest any of you outside of the MIHOP or the LIHOP camps to do a little research on your own.

This issue is definitely worth your time and effort because the truth is so precious these days.

[Al-CIAda]

64. I agree, more propaganda/limited hangout BULLSHIT.

Qui Bono -FOLLOW THE MONEY.

[petron]

66. Qui Bono? or Who Benefits?

Good question, Al-CIAda!

You reminded me of another question that wasn't asked in that crap-ass 9/11 documentary:

A large number of "put" options were purchased just prior to 9/11 on American Airlines and United Airlines. Learn more about the 9/11 "put" options here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

Looks like someone potentially benefitted financial big time.

[sepia_steel]

68. DAMMAT

I wish I were catching this. I'm at work. Anyone know when/if it will replay?