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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:18 AM
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It finally happened (The 'christian' Right = The 'islamic' Right)
You know how RW'ers say "You shouldn't badmouth the Christian Right, they are better than the Muslims because they don't call for the deaths of people."

Well, Pat Robertson recently called for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. He said Chavez was exporting Communism and 'islamic' Terrorism across the Americas.

Knowing Pat's recent blunders, BTW he blasted Barbara Boxer for comments she never made, Pat is basically calling for the murder of a Democratically elected President whose only crime may be the fact that he is standing up against the Far Right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4431731&mesg_id=4431731
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:21 AM
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1. A Christian Fatwa........
Actually, a Fatwa for lower gas prices......
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:21 AM
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2. Great talking point!
nominated
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:22 AM
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3. I call them the American Taliban
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:58 AM
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8. And I call them The TaliBornAgain.n/t
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:57 AM
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10. In Robertson's case...
I call him talibaptist
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:29 AM
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4. Here is Pat supporting keeping a real terrorist (Taylor) in office
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:30 AM
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5. How can he say such things and still pretend to be a Christian?
How can any Christian support the killing of another least call for the assassination of another human being. Not very Christ-Like
Robertson has a serious mental illness.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:36 AM
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6. There is a heaven,
and I am certain that Pat Robertson is not going there.
I hate to say that, but the man is beyond reproach.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 06:46 AM
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7. Makes me almost wish
for their rapture to come and they find themselves standing firmly on Earth with their jaws agape thinking, why am I still here.
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dutchdoctor Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 07:17 AM
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9. Robertson is a crusader
And like the medieval crusaders, he is using religious statements to justify a war for power and resources (in this case: oil).

I mean come on: how the hell can Venezuela export "islamic" terrorism?
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 08:00 AM
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11. Mancow and Faux & Friends actually said the same thing
Said he might as well be a mullah or Farrakhan issuing calls for death. Pretty shocking, considering the source. (CNN was on commercial break and I've got a remote control, what can I say?)
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:14 AM
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12. Get the man some meds.
He's been sounding more and more unhitched by the day.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 09:24 AM
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13. RW religious zealots ...
... are all the same. They spread hatred, intolerance and their "supreme" right to rule ... the actual religion they profess allegiance to is irrelevant, as they will interpret it only in ways that suit their desires.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:00 AM
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14. Here's one of their media guys. Just got canned in DC for
his comments about Muslims. Station is owned by Disney. At first they backed him but after protests he was fired. His name is Michael Graham and I am trying to find out if he is related to Billy Graham because he was fired from a Charlotte NC radio station. He also was bashing Cindy.
The article link will be here in a minute.
Here's the Cindy bashing link:

http://www.free-times.com/Usual_Suspects/suspects.html
It's a knife in the back job. The kind where - somebody called you a lying cheating murdering, but I would never do that. It is not a DEFENSE.

"In Defense of Cindy Sheehan

FROM: MICHAEL GRAHAM (codename "Nutjob")

TO: MY NEO-CON, ZIONIST MASTERS IN THE VAST, RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY (codename: "Karl Rove")

RE: CINDY SHEEHAN, WAR PROTESTOR AND LOVING MOTHER

Dear Gentleman (and Condi),

I am writing to acknowledge receipt of your secret orders to my fellow conservative commentators to "smear" (Salon.com) and "make a joke of" (Atlanta Journal-Constitution) Cindy Sheehan, the grieving mom holding vigil outside President Bush's home in Crawford, Texas

I regret to inform you that I cannot fulfill this mission. And no, it's not because the check from the White House didn't clear. That was Armstrong Williams.

I am unable to join the angry chorus of conservative commentators attacking Ms. Sheehan for camping out at the Crawford ranch. Michael Moore? Sure, I'll bludgeon his logic-free lunacy any day of the week. Howard Dean? I will not hesitate to attack him in the most mean-spirited manner of all: quoting him accurately.

But I cannot do the same to Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey re-enlisted to fight in Iraq, and who died after volunteering for a rescue mission to save other soldiers. I'm sorry. I can't find it in my heart to hurt her any more.

I cannot, for example, join the many critics who dismiss Ms. Sheehan as an irrational "Moveon.org left-winger." Is it true that she parrots the looniest of left-wing conspiracy theories, that she wants to meet with the president so he can "tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East?"

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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:03 AM
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16. Here's the article about his getting fired.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/22/AR2005082201255.html
"Talk Show Host Graham Fired By WMAL Over Islam Remarks

By Paul Farhi
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 23, 2005; Page C01

Washington radio station WMAL-AM fired talk show host Michael Graham yesterday after he refused to soften his description of Islam as "a terrorist organization" on the air last month.

Graham had been suspended without pay from his daily three-hour show since making his comments July 25. The station had conditioned his return to the midmorning shift on reading a station-approved statement in which Graham would have said that his anti-Muslim statements were "too broad" and that he sometimes uses "hyperbole" in the course of his program. WMAL also asked Graham to speak to the station's advertisers and its employees about the controversy."
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:21 AM
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17. Ahhh he's an NRO (National Review) CONtributor
A trip funded by Michael Eisner's Walt Disney. Here's the closing on a propaganda piece that will warm the spirit.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/graham200507210803.asp
"Isn't it at least significant that not one in 100 thought invading Iraq was a mistake? Was it mere coincidence that a random selection of 100 soldiers all believe their mission is worthwhile? Should we detect the hand of the Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy in the fact that the vast majority of the troops find the media coverage of the war ignorant, harmful, or both?

I'm proud to say that, for a week, the soldiers had their say. If I were the editor of a major daily newspaper or a national network, I would be concerned that what they said is so contrary to what I am printing or broadcasting.

But the mainstream media don't need to hear from the soldiers. They already know that the war was a terrible mistake, that the world would be safer if we'd left Saddam in power, and that there is no chance for victory in Iraq.

Me, I'm not so smart. I like to let the guys on the ground tell their story. I believe it is completely possible that they know something that I — and the New York Times editorial page — do not.

— Radio-talk host Michael Graham covers southern politics from his home in Virginia. He is an NRO contributor."
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:02 AM
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15. I'm glad he did this...
Maybe now the good chrishuns will wake up.

There was another preacher that did something similar not too far back and there was video of that too... the chrishun RW is DRUNK WITH POWER. They think they run things because they think they were the reason * got "elected."
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:41 AM
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18. He knew he would set off a firestorm. He also knew the comment
would end up on the world stage. The question is if he thought such an operation was being considered by the powers that be, would bringing it up as a "Pat Robertson suggestion" at least postpone or perhaps even cancel it? Maybe we should then consider why Pat Robertson wants to keep Chavez alive and well??...I'm no apologist for Pat Robertson..quite the contrary...but if nothing else this guy knows the reaction and the publicity that accompanies every statement he makes..RW kook ..yes...but this one is so over the edge I keep thinking "crazy like a fox".....what's the motivation here? This idea is nothing new. Chavez himself has brought the issue before the world as a real possibility. Why Robertson? Why now?
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:45 AM
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19. Doubtful at best.
American oil companies carry the largest responsibility for the civil unrest, and opposition to Chavez. Robertson is merely kissing the ring of the "pope".

He means every word he said. Like a good Christian, he wants him dead.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:47 AM
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20. Amazing photo of Robertson ....... Thanks Swamp Rat.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 10:54 AM
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21. During a fundraiser no doubt.....
:rofl:
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:15 AM
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22. Religious Reich has issued Fatwas on SpongeBob, Shriek, SCOTUS Justices...
and now the democratically elected leader of a sovereign nation.

Historically, Christians have been MUCH WORSE than Islamic extremists.


Heretics And Hericies
Robert Green Ingersoll
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/heretics_and_hericies.html

It is claimed that God wrote a book called the Bible, and it is generally admitted that this book is somewhat difficult to understand. As long as the church had all the copies of this book, and the people were not allowed to read it, there was comparatively little heresy in the world; but when it was printed and read, people began honestly to differ as to its meaning. A few were independent and brave enough to give the world their real thoughts, and for the extermination of these men the church used all her power. Protestants and Catholics vied with each other in the work of enslaving the human mind. For ages they were rivals in the infamous effort to rid the earth of honest people. They infested every country, every city, town, hamlet and family. They appealed to the worst passions of the human heart. They sowed the seeds of discord and hatred in every land. Brother denounced brother, wives informed against their husbands, mothers accused their children, dungeons were crowded with the innocent; the flesh of the good and true rotted in the clasp of chains; the flames devoured the heroic, and in the name of the most merciful God, his children were exterminated with famine, sword, and fire. Over the wild waves of battle rose and fell the banner of Jesus Christ. for sixteen hundred years the robes of the church were red with innocent blood. The ingenuity of Christians was exhausted in devising punishment severe enough to be inflicted upon other Christians who honestly and sincerely differed with them upon any point whatever.

Give any orthodox church the power, and to-day they would punish heresy with whip, and chain, and fire. As long as a church deems a certain belief essential to salvation, just so long it will kill and burn if it has the power. Why should the church pity a man whom her God hates? Why should she show mercy to a kind and noble heretic whom her God will burn in eternal fire? Why should a Christian be better than his God? It is impossible for the imagination to conceive of a greater atrocity than has been perpetrated by the church. Every nerve in the human body capable of pain has been sought out and touched.

Let it be remembered that all churches have persecuted heretics to the fullest extent of their power. Toleration has increased only when and where the power of the church has diminished. From Augustine until now the spirit of the Christians has remained the same. There has been the same intolerance, the same undying hatred of all who think for themselves, and the same determination to crush out of the human brain all knowledge inconsistent with an ignorant creed...

In those days the cross and rack were inseparable companions. Across the open Bible lay the sword and fagot. Not content with burning such heretics as were alive, they even tried the dead, in order that the church might rob their wives and children. The property of all heretics was confiscated, and on this account they charged the dead with being heretical -- indicted, as it were, their dust -- to the end that the church might clutch the bread of orphans. Learned divines discussed the propriety of tearing out the tongues of heretics before they were burned, and the general opinion was, that this ought to be done so that the heretics should not be able, by uttering blasphemies, to shock the Christians who were burning them. With a mixture of ferocity and Christianity, the priests insisted that heretics ought to be burned at a slow fire, giving as a reason that more time was given them for repentance...

According to the theologians, God, the Father of us all, wrote a letter to his children. The children have always differed somewhat as to the meaning of this letter. In consequence of these honest differences, these brothers began to cut out each other's hearts. In every land, where this letter from God has been read, the children to whom and for whom it was written have been filled with hatred and malice. They have imprisoned and murdered each other, and the wives and children of each other. In the name of God every possible crime has been committed, every conceivable outrage has been perpetrated. Brave men, tender and loving women, beautiful girls, and prattling babes have been exterminated in the name of Jesus Christ. For more than fifty generations the church has carried the black flag. Her vengeance has been measured only by her power. During all these years of infamy no heretic has ever been forgiven. With the heart of a fiend she has hated; with the clutch of avarice she has grasped; with the jaws of a dragon she has devoured; pitiless as famine, merciless as fire, with the conscience of a serpent: such is the history of the Church of God.

According to the theologians, God, the Father of us all, wrote a letter to his children. The children have always differed somewhat as to the meaning of this letter. In consequence of these honest differences, these brothers began to cut out each other's hearts. In every land, where this letter from God has been read, the children to whom and for whom it was written have been filled with hatred and malice. They have imprisoned and murdered each other, and the wives and children of each other. In the name of God every possible crime has been committed, every conceivable outrage has been perpetrated. Brave men, tender and loving women, beautiful girls, and prattling babes have been exterminated in the name of Jesus Christ. For more than fifty generations the church has carried the black flag. Her vengeance has been measured only by her power. During all these years of infamy no heretic has ever been forgiven. With the heart of a fiend she has hated; with the clutch of avarice she has grasped; with the jaws of a dragon she has devoured; pitiless as famine, merciless as fire, with the conscience of a serpent: such is the history of the Church of God.


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