Here's what bush JUST said about Cindy Sheehan......

[mopaul]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050823/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush;

DONNELLY, Idaho - President Bush charged Tuesday that anti-war protesters such as Cindy Sheehan, who want the troops brought home immediately, are "advocating a policy that would weaken the United States."

In remarks to reporters outside an exclusive resort where he is vacationing, Bush gave no indication that he would change his mind and meet with Sheehan, who lost a son in Iraq and has emerged as a harsh critic of the war there, when he returns to his Texas ranch Wednesday evening.

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On Sheehan, the grieving mother who has camped near his ranch since Aug. 6, the president said he strongly supports her right to protest. "She expressed her opinion. I disagree with it," Bush said.

He has scheduled more than two hours to meet with family members of slain soldiers Wednesday at the Mountain Home Air Force Base near Boise, Idaho. Bush said most military families have a different viewpoint than Sheehan. "She doesn't represent the view of a lot of families," he said.

[mattomjoe]

1. "She doesn't represent the view of a lot of families....

...I've encountered in my hand-picked audiences."

[BlueJazz]

6. Or.."She doesn't represent the view of a lot of families".....

..."Who listen to Rush and watch Fox News"

[Karenina]

36. While they dine together...

[imperialismispasse]

2. Marginalize and deny.

His regular MO.

[whatever4]

3. Love to hear him give a definition of "weakening"

and for that matter, policy

[ProfessorGAC]

20. I'd Just A Clear Explanation As To HOW It Would Weaken

That's a simple canard the right has been throwing around, just like "Emboldening the enemy." But, never has anyone been able to provide the mechanism by which withdrawing the troops and having the most well-equipped army in the world on our own shores would weaken the United States. Nor have i heard anyone even attempt to explain how protesting the war emboldens the other side. Yeah i know, if they hear that some of us are against it, they got one less reason to quit fighting. But, that requires the supposition that if 100% were in lockstep support, that they would quit fighting. That's almost impossible.

Just another weak attempt at dodging the central issue by Silverspoon.
The Professor

[lostinacause]

24. There is a decent arguement for staying in Iraq even

if it was a mistake to go there. By leaving Iraq you send a very clear message to the Middle East; "If you send enough people home in body bags you can change the public opinion and makes us be forced to leave." Any future action EITHER party takes whether justified or not will be compromised by “the enemy” having that knowledge.

The agreements that Bush uses such as "Emboldening the enemy" and "if you're not with us your with the terrorist" are just attempts to gain support and limit discussion and opposition. These are not justified because they are not true.

[whatever4]

28. Would it be a wrong message though?

" There is a decent argument for staying in Iraq even if it was a mistake to go there. By leaving Iraq you send a very clear message to the Middle East; "If you send enough people home in body bags you can change the public opinion and makes us be forced to leave." Any future action EITHER party takes whether justified or not will be compromised by “the enemy” having that knowledge.

The agreements that Bush uses such as "Emboldening the enemy" and "if you're not with us your with the terrorist" are just attempts to gain support and limit discussion and opposition. These are not justified because they are not true."

But to deny it, what you say, that we will, indeed, change public opinion "if you send enough people home in body bags", is pointless, when it's true. We only make ourselves look like pathetic liars, attempting to deny the obvious, that we aren't divided on the subject. Then it makes us look merely thoughtless, having no care at all.

If they want us to leave that badly, shouldn't we? If the American people believe we should, then shouldn't we? They may fight among themselves, but they are most certainly fighting us, that isn't theory or politics or even guesswork, it's Iraq and it's bloody. Horrible lives for the people there, and no end in sight.

They know, everybody knows, at this point, that we WILL sacrifice lives and expend troops. How can anyone on the planet not know that the US will, if it deems necessary, go to war?? It's been show to be a fact. Not to mention being ready and willing to kill who knows how many THOUSANDS of them. Our pulling out at this point would NOT exactly invalidate our happy willingness to to to war. We've proved it well enough.

Leaving before we're well and truly divided over it would be a better indicator of our national strength. Now...if it takes a major anti-war effort to stop the war, THEN we'll be seen as weaker militarily. Because we WILL be, in that case. That could be a problem.

Leaving sooner might, however, just might illustrate that we don't WANT war, death and destruction, all for profit. It might cause peoples in other nations to believe that that the loss of life DOES, indeed, mean something to us. Something we haven't gone to great lengths to prove to the world much recently. Show that we aren't just bloodthirsty killers, as they believe us to be, and as we continue to live down to.

We've never been so POLITICALLY weak, and to me, that's a far greater danger.

I'm afraid I don't agree with you at all. They hate us at this point, and not just in Iraq. It would be nice to give them a reason not to. A show of humanity. A stopping of aggression, because the aggression is now worse than the cure it was designed for. Anyone that cant' see that just isn't trying. Anyone that doesn't care about that has no place in Iraq in the first place, and can't expect to be welcomed or worked with, only rallied against. They think it should stop. We think it should stop. It should stop.

We'd appear far more reasonable if we'd stop, and I think that is the message we should want to send. I think we could use the jump in opinion polls.

[lostinacause]

40. While they know that we are willing to sacrifice

troops they will have also seen how quickly attitudes toward war have changed. Less then 2000 soldiers have died as a result of the war. To put this in perspective on D-day, in ONE DAY, more then that died. We need to recognize that this is a small number of deaths. You’ve also got to realize that they will see very little difference between a war that is preemptive and a war that is justified. They will see America leaving as it as what it is; a victory for them. Their willpower and actions will have caused a large number of Americans to change their minds. They will not see it is humanity they will see it as weakness.

The dominate attitude in the Middle East will remain as it has regardless of if America leaves or not. They will not understand the reasons for leaving beyond believing that through superior will they have won the fight. It also tells them that their policy is working well.

While there are a number of people who want Americans dead, we also need to remember that there are people in Iraq who are glad that America is there. This can be shown by the growing number of people in the Iraqi police force and the number of people voting. Also some of the attacks are a result of terrorists foreign to Iraq. This effectively makes the resistance look stronger then it is. By leaving we are saying to these people, “The risks you have taken are all for nothing”. I believe, because of the destruction and instability we have caused the people of Iraq that we need to continue so that we can give these people the chance at a better life. If civil war breaks out, as it likely will if we leave, these people will be doomed to oppression.

[maxrandb]

34. And there is also a decent arguement

that if we stay in Iraq, it sure as hell shouldn't be with these rats in charge

I think the American people are just about ready to fire these ass-pickle republicans and the horses they road in on.

[lostinacause]

37. They are going to be in power for at least the next year. Many will be in

power for the next 3 years. There is little that can be done about it.

[whatever4]

25. Because you have to be "all in" to win a war on terrorism

I mean, after all, an abstract noun is dangerous thing, right? Have to be all out of your mind to explain how to do it though.

Nothing to measure by, no tangibles or goals, all words and rhetoric, so sad.

[whistle]

4. Is that an executive order to have Cindy Sheehan and all of the...

...anti-war demonstrators arrested?

[quiet.american]

5. Your image nicely sums up how I feel about his latest dissembling. n/t

[mattomjoe]

7. "advocating a policy that would weaken the United States"

Keep in mind though -- in Republicanspeak, United States = Bush.

[CityZen-X]

8. Bu$h*t! You Vomitron

You Moranite she is advocating a policy that is weakening your pResidency, not America, and the polls show it.

[mopaul]

9. 2 days in a row he's attacked her, and today it was personal

what a man what a man

[Karenina]

38. She smacked him

upside his head AGAIN :spank:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4436575

[mopaul]

10. cnn showing his comments now

[smoogatz]

11. Cripes. Bush's invasion of Iraq for oil is what's weakening the country.

Did Cindy Sheehan break what used to be the world's most powerful military? Did Cindy Sheehan order the deaths of 2,000 US troops and tens of thousands of Iraqis? Did Cindy Sheehan liberate the Iraqi people from a secular dictator so they could be oppressed by religious extremists? Did Cindy Sheehan invade a sovereign nation on false pretenses and order the rape and torture of its citizens? For God's sake. Anybody that believes a word that comes out of Bush's mouth has to be a total idiot.

[SpiralHawk]

12. This is going to MUSHROOM

With Cindy coming back to Crawford, and the Anti-Mothers also due to arrive, and ChimPee converging soon, too, is will be a freakin media circus.

No matter what happens or who says what, the whole stinkin mess will be happening on Bush's doorstoop, while he is swinging in the hammock of the elite eating pretzels and enjoying his record-breaking vacation.

It won't look good. Especially now that CNN has made it unmistakeably plain that Bush & Cronies told a Huge Pack of Lies to get the Iraq War started, and cause all of these needless deaths for the sake of his Republican oil buddies.

[mopaul]

13. I DID meet with cindy sheehan, and fuck her anyway

[mopaul]

14. wow, he's really breathing hard today while he lies, he's actually afraid

[SOS]

33. He exhaled so hard

after his "1,864" speech, he nearly blew himself over backwards.

[DemonFighterLives]

15. Not the Warmongers and Wormtongues he talks to

What a fool!
:argh:

[bluedog]

16. his problem

is that he doesn't like anyone who disagrees with him and is going to try and break the peace movement anyway he can...........

this is when bush is going to be the most dangerous.......do NOT put anything pass this hilter-like want to be.......

[jsamuel]

17. suddenly we find Bush back on the campaign trail fighting against Cindy

instead of Kerry

Someone needs to tell him that she isn't running against him for office... geez

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. Seriously. I think the low poll numbers went to his head. I don't think

attacking Cindy will bolster them much, if at all, though.

[graywarrior]

19. He's a uniter, not a divider.

Such a man, he is. Because a citizen of the US does not agree with him, he will not meet with her. Way to go, asshole. I feel so united with the rest of the country because of you, you fuckwit.

[Dawgs]

21. "She doesn't represent the view of a lot of families,"

These remarks will backfire. Nobody likes to be told what they think. We see it here all of the time. I think you will see a few families attack Bush for making these remarks.

[maxsolomon]

22. she may not represent the view of a "lot" of military families

but she DOES represent the views of a MAJORITY of americans.

a MAJORITY, president narcissist.

[w8liftinglady]

23. She represents the view of THIS military family. nt

[Al-CIAda]

26. 'WHAT noble cause'?, fuckhead. nt

[Generic Other]

27. Thanks MoPaul, I posted a link here:

8/23 ALL DU Cindy threads DAY 17
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4433280

Please recommend the all Cindy threads for greatest page. It keeps the information up at the top. Thanks.

[coda]

29. Preemption fever, sweeping the country. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. "She doesn't represent the view of a lot of families."

What constitutes " a lot"? And how does he know what "a lot of families" views are? How many families has he actually met with? Or a better question would be, how many families has he met with that weren't prescreened to mirror his POV? Arrogant little jerk.

[mnhtnbb]

31. Bush is weakening the country

Another case of projection from the cowardly Liar-in-Chief.

[Serial Mom]

32. Has the fu@khead heard of Military Families Speak Out?

"She doesn't represent the view of a lot of families," he said" BS!

He is NOT connected to half or more of the country!

[Mairead]

35. Gee, he was following Göring's dictum. Let's hope he has the same fate.

"All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

[Lindacooks]

39. So he's on vacation from his vacation, huh?

Guess being pretzeldent is 'hard werk'; it's so MEAN of these people to make him 'werk' on his vacation.

[ignatius 2]

41. Good Christ, as if he,his neocon and fundie nutcase buds haven't

weakened our country so much.

Hey Bush, Iraqi freedom..is submission accomplished yet?

[MODemocrat]

42. Bush is a babbling fool

He is getting so tiresome, repeating the same old hogwash over and over
until he begins to believe it himself. He needs to tell us how the troops are keeping us safe. It's not that I don't appreciate the troops, but I can't see where they are keeping America safe by being over there in that quagmire. :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :puffpiece: :puffpiece: