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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:40 AM
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Condi told Bush that women's rights were embedded in the new
constitution--he said during his comments to the press on msnbc a bit ago.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:41 AM
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1. odd collection of words
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:42 AM
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2. he said he sp0ke to her twice today. I am wondering what exactly
these 'rights' are.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:45 AM
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9. The same rights any piece of property would get.
Also they have the right to do what they're told by their 'owners'.

Mission Accomplished indeed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:45 AM
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10. WSJ reports that these rights are based on "strict Sharia laws"

FRom AmericanProgress.org Report today (an email report

.....the Wall Street Journal reports. "For Muslim Iraqis, the rights of women regarding divorce, child custody and inheritance will be based on strict Sharia laws such as the ones exercised in neighboring Iran."
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:01 PM
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26. right to any color burqa you want
EOM
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:42 AM
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3. And we would believe Condi because...
...as we know she ALWAYS tells the truth!!!

:rofl:
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ironman202 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:43 AM
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7. Kindasleezy Rice
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:49 AM
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16. LOVE IT!
It's the perfect nickname for her.... Kindasleezy..... thanks!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:51 AM
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18. you got that one right on. grand.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:47 AM
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13. I do not believe Condi--she is giving him fluff--even if she knows the
truth, i do not think she is relaying the entire truth--and bush probably is NOT asking.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:42 AM
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4. Well, that's all right then.
She couldn't be wrong.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:43 AM
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5. Also told him it was packed with yummy candy and toys
for everyone!
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Citizen Jane Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:43 AM
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6. Embedded like a "journalist???"
In other words, under fire like our troops.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:49 AM
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15. we are not getting anything that resembles any kind of 'truth' from Condi
via Bush.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:44 AM
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8. Of course, women will welcome the new constitution with flowers
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:45 AM
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11. Quietly, and respectfully
And only a few will be beaten, because it's an important occasion and all, can't have the screaming
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:47 AM
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12. Well. of course, she would know. She is a woman-so she would be so
in tune with woman's rights in Iraq. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:52 AM
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21. that would fit Georges' mentality
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:47 AM
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14. yeah, that's all he will ever know about it
what somebody else tells him in 2 minutes before his morning bike ride.

The In-depth president--NOT

Has there ever been a more shallow and lazy person in the WH?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:50 AM
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17. noncuriosity will be one of the reasons for his downfall-
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:51 AM
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19. How can that woman sleep at night.
I just don't get her.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:53 AM
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23. She counts Bush family members...
instead of sheep.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:52 AM
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20. Embedded....
and we'll dig them out one of these years.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:53 AM
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22. Selections from the proposed Iraqi Constitution.
It's simply amazing how many here flame it and Islam without ever taking a look at the document.

PREAMBLE

The people of Iraq, striving to reclaim their freedom, which was usurped by the previous tyrannical regime, rejecting violence and coercion in all their forms, and particularly when used as instruments of governance, have determined that they shall hereafter remain a free people governed under the rule of law.

These people, affirming today their respect for international law, especially having been amongst the founders of the United Nations, working to reclaim their legitimate place among nations, have endeavored at the same time to preserve the unity of their homeland in a spirit of fraternity and solidarity in order to draw the features of the future new Iraq, and to establish the mechanisms aiming, amongst other aims, to erase the effects of racist and sectarian policies and practices.

This Law is now established to govern the affairs of Iraq during the transitional period until a duly elected government, operating under a permanent and legitimate constitution achieving full democracy, shall come into being.

CHAPTER ONE – FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES

Article 1.

B) Gender-specific language shall apply equally to male and female.

Article 4.

The system of government in Iraq shall be republican, federal, democratic, and pluralistic, and powers shall be shared between the federal government and the regional governments, governorates, municipalities, and local administrations. The federal system shall be based upon geographic and historical realities and the separation of powers, and not upon origin, race, ethnicity, nationality, or confession.

Article 7.

A) Islam is the official religion of the State and is to be considered a source of legislation. No law that contradicts the universally agreed tenets of Islam, the principles of democracy, or the rights cited in Chapter Two of this Law may be enacted during the transitional period. This Law respects the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice.

CHAPTER TWO – FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS

Article 12.

All Iraqis are equal in their rights without regard to gender, sect, opinion, belief, nationality, religion, or origin, and they are equal before the law. Discrimination against an Iraqi citizen on the basis of his gender, nationality, religion, or origin is prohibited. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the security of his person. No one may be deprived of his life or liberty, except in accordance with legal procedures. All are equal before the courts.

Article 13.

(A) Public and private freedoms shall be protected.

(B) The right of free expression shall be protected.

(C) The right of free peaceable assembly and the right to join associations freely, as well as the right to form and join unions and political parties freely, in accordance with the law, shall be guaranteed.

(D) Each Iraqi has the right of free movement in all parts of Iraq and the right to travel abroad and return freely.

(E) Each Iraqi has the right to demonstrate and strike peaceably in accordance with the law.

(F) Each Iraqi has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religious belief and practice. Coercion in such matters shall be prohibited.

(G) Slavery, the slave trade, forced labor, and involuntary servitude with or without pay, shall be forbidden.

(H) Each Iraqi has the right to privacy.



Article 14.

The individual has the right to security, education, health care, and social security. The Iraqi State and its governmental units, including the federal government, the regions, governorates, municipalities, and local administrations, within the limits of their resources and with due regard to other vital needs, shall strive to provide prosperity and employment opportunities to the people.

Article 15.
(B) Police, investigators, or other governmental authorities may not violate the sanctity of private residences, whether these authorities belong to the federal or regional governments, governorates, municipalities, or local administrations, unless a judge or investigating magistrate has issued a search warrant in accordance with applicable law on the basis of information provided by a sworn individual who knew that bearing false witness would render him liable to punishment. Extreme exigent circumstances, as determined by a court of competent jurisdiction, may justify a warrantless search, but such exigencies shall be narrowly construed. In the event that a warrantless search is carried out in the absence of an extreme exigent circumstance, the evidence so seized, and any other evidence found derivatively from such search, shall be inadmissible in connection with a criminal charge, unless the court determines that the person who carried out the warrantless search believed reasonably and in good faith that the search was in accordance with the law.

(C) No one may be unlawfully arrested or detained, and no one may be detained by reason of political or religious beliefs.

(D) All persons shall be guaranteed the right to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, regardless of whether the proceeding is civil or criminal. Notice of the proceeding and its legal basis must be provided to the accused without delay.

(E) The accused is innocent until proven guilty pursuant to law, and he likewise has the right to engage independent and competent counsel, to remain silent in response to questions addressed to him with no compulsion to testify for any reason, to participate in preparing his defense, and to summon and examine witnesses or to ask the judge to do so. At the time a person is arrested, he must be notified of these rights.

(F) The right to a fair, speedy, and open trial shall be guaranteed.

Article 17.

It shall not be permitted to possess, bear, buy, or sell arms except on licensure issued in accordance with the law.

Article 20.

(A) Every Iraqi who fulfills the conditions stipulated in the electoral law has the right to stand for election and cast his ballot secretly in free, open, fair, competitive, and periodic elections.

(B) No Iraqi may be discriminated against for purposes of voting in elections on the basis of gender, religion, sect, race, belief, ethnic origin, language, wealth, or literacy.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:53 AM
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24. why would any of them stop lying
even to one another

now?

If she misled him and disaster ensues, she'll get promoted
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 11:57 AM
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25. Yep, it is embedded in the section named,
Just Kidding.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 12:20 PM
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27. Probably a Mistranslation. Should Have Been "Entombed"
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