Bush: Protesters of Iraq Don't Want U.S. to Win 'War on Terror'

[im10ashus]

:wtf:

This is full-out ballsy.

Bush Believes Those Who Protest Iraq War Don't Want U.S. to Win 'War on Terror,' Spokesman Says

By E&P Staff

Published: August 23, 2005 11:30 AM ET

NEW YORK Meeting briefly with reporters Monday aboard Air Force One, Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman subbing for Scott McClellan, said that President Bush believes that those who want the U.S. to begin to change course in Iraq do not want America to win the overall "war on terror."

Duffy spoke on a day when a surprisingly large antiwar protest met the president during his stay in Salt Lake City, Utah, where he addressed a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention.

Speaking to reporters, Duffy said that Bush "can understand that people don't share his view that we must win the war on terror, and we cannot retreat and cut and run from terrorists, but he just has a different view. He believes it would be a fundamental mistake right now for us to cut and run in the face of terrorism, because if we've learned anything, especially from the 9/11 Commission Report, it is that to continue to retreat after the Cole, after Beirut and Somalia is to only empower terrorists and to give them more recruiting tools as they try to identify ways to harm Americans.

"So he believes that people have a fundamental right to express their views. That's one of the reasons we're fighting this war on terrorism, to protect our fundamental rights. But at the same time, he disagrees strongly."

cont'd

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001019573

[SodoffBush]

1. What do we win against innocent people?

What is the mission?

[Imagevision]

32. Bush couldn't care less about winning - only continueing the war in Iraq

If we pull out now? how the heck will big OIL get their cut?, who do you think is protecting these oil rig operators? the Iraqi people? shoot, that can't even defend themselves!

[im10ashus]

34. The thing is, we AREN'T pulling out.

Why would we have built so many permanent bases there if we were pulling out? I wish the "journalists" would ask THAT for a change.

[hatrack]

2. You just poked the big dog with a stick, Trent ol' boy

Prepare for puncture wounds, torn trouser legs and saliva stains, ASSHOLE.

[FloridaPat]

3. I for one would like to know who the real terrorists are. Since we've had

no investigation into who really did 9-11, and since one of the biggest trainers and funders of terrorists on a world wide basis is the US government, I think finding out who the real enemy is would be a good start on the War on Terrorism.

[im10ashus]

9. It's just a bunch of BS talking points.

They are fighting the terrorists in Iraq? The 9/11 hijackers were SAUDI and their leader was in AFGHANISTAN! I just don't know how they get away with this crap.

If Pat Robertson can get away with threatening a world leader, why can't I? :sarcasm:

[Imagevision]

39. Bush's statements get dumber by the day - Karen Hughes "noble cause"

speech maker - what is this noble cause? what! the oli companies get richer at the expense of the lives of americans ONLY LOOKING FOR A BETTER WAY OUT!

[KyndCulture]

4. that was ballsy... he needs to shut his pie hole today...

I'm sick of reading his blathering bullshit today... and this statement is just beyond stupid.. apples and oranges.

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. Didn't he cut and run from the terraists in Afghanistan, so he

could shock and awe the crap out of innocent Iraqis?

[KeepItReal]

15. Exactly!

<eom>

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. How come these ass kissing reporters never call him on his

bushit!? :banghead:

[MadHound]

6. How does one win a war on a noun?

I'm sorry, but this sort of logic completely baffles me, since it is illogical on the face of it. After all, the more we fight there, the more terrorists we create, thus the more we fight, etc. and around and around we go in an endless, pointless war.

I think that is what Bush's true goal is, endless war to make endless profits for his merchant of death buddies.

[sniffa]

dress it up with feminine adjectives to weaken its moraLe

faiLing that... i dunno.

[jimshoes]

7. So when do Jen and Bar

join in? If it's so damn important shouldn't everyone share in the struggle?

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. "...after the Cole, after Beirut and Somalia ..."

Disingenuous asshole.

It was his people that 'retreated' in the face of the Beirut tragedy. Somalia? Bush I saddled Clinton with an untenable situation as his term was ending. Cole? Clinton refused to return the compliment to his successor, leaving reaction to the Cole to Bush II - who then did nothing for a year, till after 9/11.

Not to mention that the only terrorists in Iraq are the ones we created through our invasion, while Osama is still on the loose in Pakistan (our ally).

[Surya Gayatri]

10. Presidential spokesman Duffy: "I don't have any [answer]..."

The rest of the press conference abord AF1 is pretty telling, too:

Q Cindy Sheehan's group is airing commercials in Utah, again asking the President to meet with her. And there's going to be protests planned. Is the President -- does he know about these protests, about these commercials at all, and does he have any response?

MR. DUFFY: No. I don't have any.... blah, blah, blah...

[im10ashus]

11. Welcome to DU, Surya Gayatri!!! n/t

:hi:

[Surya Gayatri]

21. Hello there im10--thanks for the welcome!

What I love about DU is that, even at 75,000+ population, it still has the feeling of a village or maybe a big stroppy family.:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. big stroppy family

welcome to the family

[Surya Gayatri]

28. Thanks nadin!

And may I say that for the short time I've been here, I've already noticed your posts as usually being pertinent and often entertaining?:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Oh thank you

we are very serious, but a little humor helps

[im10ashus]

27. We're like the Von Trapp family.

Running from a dictator, but without the singing. :rofl:

[Surya Gayatri]

36. ((((((LOL))))))

"The hills are alive with the sounds of protest...one of my favorite things" (Sorry, not very clever I know, but couldn't resist!):shrug:

[im10ashus]

37. That's VERY clever.

We need to the humor to keep us sane.

:rofl:

"The hills are alive, with the sound of protests.
Same sounds that we heard, during Viet-Nam!"

[Surya Gayatri]

40. Yes, yes, keep on going!

Next couplet?:bounce:

[im10ashus]

42. "Protests fill my heart,

with American values,
Like Cindy Sheehan,
I will stand my groooouuund!"

[Surya Gayatri]

44. "My soul will be blessed..."

by the sound of protest,
And the Shrub will falllll!!!

(Whadaya think?)

[im10ashus]

45. Love it!

LOVE IT!!!

We could compile hundreds of Broadway parodies of this same thing. I changed the lyrics to "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" to "Don't' Cry For Me Crawford, Texas" back when Laura "Pickles" Bush hit the mosque in the Middle East. If nothing else, it was pure self-entertainment.

[Surya Gayatri]

47. Hey, can you PM me the lyrics for 'Don't Cry'?

and any others you've dreamed up? I just love this kind of thing, but am not very good at it myself!:dunce:

[im10ashus]

49. Will do.

I love parody. :-)

[HereSince1628]

12. Oh, either their perception is very poor or they seek to deceive

Gee, I think it's both. They don't see reality clearly, and they are well practiced in the arts of mendacity.

But, the big lie is no longer working. We all know the bloodshed in Iraq isn't doing anything to save us from terrorists' threats.

We appreciate that that Saddam's support of Palestinians might have made the government of a middle eastern country unhappy, but we know that Iraq isn't part of the war on terror.

So, in the war on terror we facilitated the creation of another Islamic Republic. We wonder how useful that will prove to be at reducing the radical ideology that produces terrorists.

[im10ashus]

13. Shocking, isn't it?

That their perception is poor and they seek to deceive?

Utterly shocking!!! :sarcasm:

[Solly Mack]

14. same old "Unamerican" bullshit talking point

[Javaman]

16. These are the words of a desperate man.

[MisterP]

17. one thing about monstrous people is that they have tremendous egos:

they think everybody hangs onto their every mad dribbling as the truth, which cannot be disproved or even disputed--note Leo Strauss's faux-Platonic ideal of lying and propagandizing continuously to one's own subjects as well as those of other nations

[im10ashus]

20. The one thing in that interview that really pisses me off:

Duffy said that Bush "can understand that people don't share his view that we must win the war on terror."

Since WHEN did those who oppose the war say we didn't want to win the war on terror. It's they way they deceive that is almost as worse as the deception. If they wanted to win the war on terror, Iraq would have not been invaded, and our troops would have been doubled in Afghanistan and into Pakistan. If Pakistan were truly our "ally," they wouldn't have a problem with us hunting down OBL in their country.

[Surya Gayatri]

25. Classic tactic

This is just a classic "reframing" tactic--he allows that people may not agree with him, but then not so subtly distorts the very reason for their disagreement. Unfortunately, this is the kind of "Bushspeak" that plays with the 36% of rabid red believers.

[bluedog]

18. Bush: 'I don't think you can win' war on terror August 31, 2004

Bush: 'I don't think you can win' war on terror
By Compiled from staff, wire reports
Published August 31, 2004

The president who has campaigned for months as the candidate who can win the war on terror said in an interview broadcast Monday that he doesn't think such a war ever could be won.

"I don't think you can win it," Bush said in the interview on NBC's Today show. "But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."

The remarks reverberated on the campaign trail. Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry countered that he thought a struggle against terror was "absolutely" winnable.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/31/Decision2004/Bush___I_don_t_think_.shtml

[im10ashus]

31. I've been searching for that, bluedog!

Thank you. It's with this kind of information that a REAL reporter/journalist could call them on and watch them stammer. I just don't understand how they get away with this every. single. time.

[Surya Gayatri]

51. You got him, bluedog!

Roped and hog-tied--how could he slither out of this damning quote, if only some real red- (or should I say blue) blooded journalist would call him on it?:mad:

[Cleita]

19. Perhaps if he could be more precise as to exactly what the

war on terror is, we might be willing to weigh what he has to say, but that nonsensical gobbledygook he spews isn't getting my support.

[H2O Man]

23. Bush has figured out

that there are really only two kinds of people: {1} those he likes; and {2} those he hates. The limitations that this type of thinking imposes on a human being are glaring.

[im10ashus]

29. Even with his approval ratings BELOW 50% in most states.

The only states in which Bush still has over 50% approval rating are as follows:

Alabama <+7%>
Idaho <+23%>
Montana <+5>
Nebraska <+13%>
North Dakota <+6%>
Oklahoma <+4%>
Texas <+11%>
Utah <+19%>
Wyoming <+20%>

He's even under 50% in MISSISSIPPI, for god's sake.

[BelgianMadCow]

54. "Either with us, or against us"

was when it dawned on me this could be a dangerous man.

[im10ashus]

55. Yes.

Wasn't that some "biblical" quote? Being the heathen that I am, I couldn't remember.

[H2O Man]

56. It's a quote

that reminds me of nothing more than the years I spent in forensic psychiatric social work. People who are stuck at this remarkably low lever of intellectual functioning are difficult to work with. It's as if a major portion of their brain has not got that spark that indicates it's functioning. Those who are non-violent tend to be frustrating; those who are prone to violence are very dangerous.

How did this guy get to be president?

[im10ashus]

57. I am afraid he may be prone to both.

How are you H20 Man? :hi:

[H2O Man]

60. Good overall.

A little confused regarding how Bush's treatment team came up with the idea that "supported employment" equates with putting him in as president. Obviously I am still viewing George as a guy who has made the most progress he will from group. It wasn't much. His team has assessed him as being incapable of either getting a competitive job on his own, or holding one when some family member with connections got him hired. Usually, a treatment team will try to aim a little lower .... George might do well working part-time on the off-hours at a rural golf course. He could search the near-by corn fields for lost golf balls, and learn to feel he can actually do a job. Who thought that Dick Chenbey would make a good job coach? Never use another guy from the forensic group for this responsibility.

[im10ashus]

64. Let's see how * does breaking rocks into pebbles.

He and Cheney will make great cellmates.

[BelgianMadCow]

65. Here's the quote from nov 6, 2001

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Tuesday that there was no room for neutrality in the war against terrorism.

In a joint news conference with French President Jacques Chirac, Bush said coalition partners would be called upon to back up their support with action. He said he would deliver that message in his speech Saturday to the United Nations.

<snip>

Bush said he would not point out any specific countries in his speech.

"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." Full story

[im10ashus]

66. He sees himself as divine and without fault.

When you live your entire life without accepting responsibility, it's often how one views oneself, despite what others may say.

Sociopath, perhaps?

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. We are teh enemy to him

by the way, this is the irony moment of the day... this statement is
so nixonian it is not even funny.... the ghost of nixon is now walking in the WH, in teh form of GW Bush.

[DrDan]

30. he cannot handle a complex thought

it has to be linearly simple

Jesus - what did we do to deserve this guy

[shance]

33. Protecting our rights with the Patriot. Every day is OPPOSITE day with

this administration.

If they say they are protecting our rights, that means of course they are doing everything they can to eliminate our rights and Civil Liberties.

[mattclearing]

38. Bush is a horrible person. n/t

[wildwww2]

41. Bu$h is the most dangerous terrorist on the planet. Most of the protesters

know that. Yes, I said MOST of the protesters know that. They also know he hasn`t yet allowed a proper investigation of 9-11 which is always his biggest terra excuse for this freaking war crime he and his buddies are getting richer off of.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[KansDem]

43. No, Asshole!!! We "who protest" believe you go after the *terrorists*

...such as your pals the Saudis! You do not invade a country that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks!

Savvy, f*ckwit?!?!

But then, you're just a goddamn liar, aren't you?

[jane_pippin]

46. So uh, minor point/question: No more G-SAVE, Duffy?

[bpilgrim]

48. We don't want bush to START more WARS of TERROR!

we must DEMAND our reps drop the CARTOON WORLD VIEW which allows these kinds of BS statements to be made without him being laughed off the stage :argh:

peace

[wli]

50. of course we want to prosecute him and Cheney for ordering 9/11 n/t

[im10ashus]

52. But of course.

And Rove, Condi, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield, et al.

[evilqueen]

53. Test it.

Cut the margin on profits of all of the war-supporting corporations to 1% above cost for the duration of all military combat operations.

Let's see how quickly the war ends.

[BlueJac]

58. Who cares what Bush believes!!

Good damn fool anyway!!


:dem:

[Q]

59. Strange that Will Marshall of the DLC uses the same rhetoric...

...as Bush. Both seem to believe that we're 'fighting the war on terrorism' in Iraq and that anyone with a dissenting opinion is either 'helping the terrorists' or anti-American.

The 'war on terrorism' will never be won in Iraq. It won't be won with bombs and killing thousands of civilians. And it certainly won't be won with a doofus like Bush in charge.

[im10ashus]

61. Then Will Marshall is complicit in the deaths of so many.

This war was based on lies and perhaps we can frog-march Marshall along with the rest of them?

[pberq]

62. These are the same talking points used by the DLC

and other pro-war Democrats. Biden, Hilary Clinton, et. al want you to believe that we are fighting a war on terrorism in Iraq. They will of course criticize Bush for the way he is handling the war, but that is just a smokescreen to hide the fact that they are iun lockstep with the administration on Iraq.

[Sparkman]

69. All kills in Iraq by U.S. military are feeding the Islamic VENDETTAs=Jihad

NO amount of 500 pound bombing and cluster bombs and 50 caliber house penetrating machine guns will solve the drive for revenge by the families. The desire by Muslims to oust the U.S. from their OIL fields, and the presence of dozens of U.S. military bases just doen't correlate with any solution the neocons can accept. It's so obvious?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

63. Next up: America has a 'Silent Majority' that fully approves of Iraqnam.

[Sparkman]

67. So now 1/2 of America is FOR TERRORISTS KILLING OUR COUNTRYMEN?!

Dumb ass can't yet admit that THE WAR ON TERRORISM isn't and can't work to protect us until we quit murdering innocent people. Bombing neighborhoods CREATES more new Jihadists and Islamic vendettas than ANY U.S. WAR EFFORT CAN KILL OFF!

[B Calm]

68. For every Iraqi insurgent killed, 15 terrorists are created!

[im10ashus]

70. It's starting to look that way.

Now we have our sites on Iran, the insurgency is sure to grow, exponentially.

[Beam Me Up]

71. We'll win the WoT when he and his treasonous 9/11 co-conspirators are

behind bars.

Regime change begins at home.

[im10ashus]

73. I would give my right arm to see them behind bars.

But that may not be necessary. It seems their little world is closing in on them. Slowly but surely.

[Beam Me Up]

74. Yep. It is looking that way, ain't it?

I'll be gosh darned (as some would say).

And I'll believe it when I see it. More, I'll be truly HAPPY when I know that it isn't just *W* they are after but the BASTARDS who, behind the scenes, put him in office and have kept him there for their own traitorous purposes all this time.

[im10ashus]

75. I don't know why I am still surprised at their gall.

They will say anything, obviously, and expect the "sheeple" to just nod in agreement. Shameless.

[Beam Me Up]

76. They would make US (left, anti-war, whatever) THE ENEMY if they could.

They would LOVE IT, if they could tie VIOLENCE to the left, for example. They would love an excuse to make us look like what they, in fact, are: traitors. This is how they operate. This is, in actuality, what they did back in the early 70s using cointelpro tactics and strategies.

[im10ashus]

78. It's what I like to call Rovian Tactics.

Spin it so the left actually looks anti-American/anti-Troops. I would LOVE to come face-to-face with one of them. I served in the Army AND I am gay. My nephew is in the 82nd Airborne, and HE opposed Bush, but does what he had to do. He's going back to Iraq again next month for his second tour and yet all these so-called "supporters" sit at home and talk about patriotism. It pisses me off. Let's see ALL the Senators who continue to support the war send THEIR children to enlist. AND we should start with Bush's daughters and Rove's son. It would only make sense. :-)

[Beam Me Up]

79. "If the Iraq war is worth dying for...

then the children of the privileged should be doing some of the dying."

This was stated in a post somewhere recently. Right on!

I'm gay, too. Have never been in the military, though. Thank you for your service!

:patriot:

[im10ashus]

80. I believe that the privileged who support the war...

...should encourage their children to enlist. Obviously, their children may not agree with their parents, but the parents can't be blind-faith supporters.

You are welcome, as to my service in the military. It was quite the experience. :patriot:

I love your website btw. Would love to see the gallery when I am in San Fran the week of Halloween. :-)

[Beam Me Up]

81. You got a PM. n/t

[im10ashus]

82. Got it!

Thanks BMU! Can't wait! :hi:

[converted_democrat]

72. ......

[KerryOn]

77. I wish the hell that man * would stop.....

calling it a war on terror!

I want to scream!!!!!!

Yea its a war on terror NOW, but it wasn't when Bush started the war. I new that he would try to bring up this whole 9/11 link to Iraq again at his VFW speech.

If * would back off, take the Billions and Billions of dollars that he will spend on Iraq for the next four years, he could make this the safest nation in the world, and at the same time give us all at least a 50% cost reduction on gasoline!

[stepnw1f]

83. This Coming from a TRAITOR

and a Mass Murdering War Criminal.

[im10ashus]

84. Takes gall, doesn't it?

They'll say anything to convince themselves they are right.