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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 01:44 PM
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"Poison Dust" new film on DU poisoning

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050822/NEWS01/108220073/-1/news


Military radiation poisoning discussed


The military is using depleted uranium as ammunition and warheads, the so-called Gulf War syndrome is actually radiation sickness, and nobody is doing anything to stop it or to help the ill service people.

That is the message in “Poison Dust,” a film by the Peoples Video Network shown Sunday during the ongoing Confronting the Issues program at the Town Hall. The films are sponsored by Women Making a Difference, a local nonpartisan group bringing various issues to the public.


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New Hampshire Reps. Jeb Bradley and Charles Bass have been asked to co-sponsor two bills before Congress, Thomas said, but neither have committed.

House Bill 202 would provide for identification of members of the armed forces exposed during military duty to depleted uranium and provide for health testing of such people.

House Bill 2410 requires studies regarding the effects of exposure to depleted uranium and the cleanup and mitigation of contamination of sites of depleted uranium production in the United States.
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the poison is first made here in america at the military industry plants. then it's sent to Iraq where it's spread around. and then it comes back to america in the bodies of our military and private contracters. a dancing circle of illness and death
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-23-05 02:09 PM
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1. Further
Edited on Tue Aug-23-05 02:10 PM by whatever4
The poison comes in the form of a radioactive, toxic heavy metal, reduced to particles so small they pass through gas masks. And it's not just in our soldiers, it's in the athmosphere, and there's nothing in the world to stop it from spreading everywhere. It was already toxic, as a heavy metal, and being radioactive just adds to the punch. The perfect weapon, if you want to kill everything around. Forever, or 4.5 million years, whichever comes first.

I guess we'll see what the saturation rate is, the world verses the over 2000 tons of they've used in this war, in large bunkerbusting bombs, in an arid climate known for dust storms. I guess we'll just see how much radiation we can take, per square anything you want to measure.

Not just in our soldiers. But they're surely the worst off. Aside from the 25 million residents of Iraq that is. Just in Iraq. The dust will not STAY in Iraq.

Where it stops, nobody knows. And anyone that wanted to tell us, such as WHO, has been uniformly stopped by this admin. Findings rewritten or removed.

In my idiotic dreams, I hope the information about deleted uranuim is just a scare tactic, something someone made up, to scare us about the war.

But then I read the rhetoric coming out of this admin, and what they've done with the information about it, including the warnings of those scientists in the 1940's that said it was TOO good a weapon to use...and I lose heart.

Believe just the opposite of what this Admin says, as a general rule, and they say everything's just fine with depleted uranium.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:42 AM
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2. thanks for that post . . . your scenario is terrifying, but . . .
not at all improbable . . . combine stuff like this with stuff like our continued reliance on fossil fuels; the amount of methane and other gases that will be released as permafrost melts in Alaska, Canada, and Siberia; and the fact that governments (and the corporations that control them) are responsible for most of this (either directly, through inaction, or both), and you can't escape the strong probability that the planet will soon be unable to support most life forms . . . including ours . . .

glad I'm 59 . . . maybe I won't be around for the carnage . . . but I doubt it . . .
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 06:00 AM
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5. Thank you, that's what I thought too
And I feel a little crazy for it, because not very many folks are jumping up and down. Yet. I wish I was 59 myself, or perhaps more like 79. This isn't the world I want to see. I'm a last generation baby-boomer, remembering just enough about Vietnam to know this war was wrong from the start.

I just don't know what to think about depleted uranium, except it can't be healthy, and we're banking on it not being as lethal as it has the potential to be, as it disburses throughout the atmosphere. Internal radiation, heck, they don't even test for it much. Radiation is usually thought of in terms of exposure, not consumption, but I guess it could be compared to lead, as far as heavy metal toxicity.

What really gets me is reading reports of our troops getting cancers after just a few weeks or months of exposure. It's too fast to be caused by low level radiation for that many troops. Like cancer rates from sitting on top of ammo boxes; if it were low level exposure, like from X rays, we'd only have a very small number. I'm not sure how many there are, but I've heard more than just one or two. In my mind, it ought to be one or two. And that's just one type of exposure, and further, not internal.

At this point, I just hope I'm wrong, and that's all there is to it. I'd love to be Chicken Little, at this point.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:44 AM
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3. DU poisoning? Are we being poisoned here?
Wait, what's that noxious gas coming out of my moni
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:55 AM
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4. Wait until NANO dust
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 07:41 AM
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7. what's nano dust? nt
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 07:09 AM
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6. I have no idea if this even related, but
I take care of my father-in-law Jack who has Melanoma. (He's still kicking) I end up at Moffitt Cancer center on average of about twice a week, and this has been occurring for the last two years. Anyway, I often go outside to their smoking area when he is getting his treatments and on three separate occasions I have met military wives waiting on their hubbies to get out of surgery. The strange part is that every time I sat and struck up a conversation with the wife I found out the circumstances were very similar. All of them were in to have brain cancer removed, all had recently served in Iraq, and all were under the age of 30. I just thought it odd that all three had those factors in common. The other thing that was strange to me was that were even at Moffitt to begin with, Tampa has a VA hospital. I do suppose that the VA could've referred them to Moffit, but it just seemed strange to me, especially when you factor in the other stuff they seemed to have in common. This probably has nothing to do with the other, but like I wrote before, I just found it strange. I wonder if there are any stats on this stuff (cancer) available on our returning soldiers.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 12:37 PM
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8. thank you for this important information

getting stats is nearly impossible. what the bushgang wants to hide, it hides.

we have to gather stats on our own in order to get the truth out. women like the wives you spoke of could start the gathering of stats - for example.

(brain tumors from cell phones is another hidden stat that is related as both are caused by radiation)

Geiger Counters are useful devices.
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