The Intolerant South

[Nimble_Idea]

How come the south is pretty much wiping out all democratic senators in south, yet the North elects Republican senators some of the time? It seems strange that "blue people" in the northeast even give Pukes a seat when they vote for Dem Presidents convincingly.
The south, on the other hand, has excommunicated anything liberal in their neck of the woods and will probably try to finish off good ole Nelson of Florida.
The Intolerant South will solidify its war machine and then march into the north and finish a long long ago war they never gave up fighting.

Oh Abe, what do we do?

[merh]

1. I disagree. But hell, what do I know?

:shrug:

[ultraist]

2. Oh, geez, do we HAVE to have another South bashing thread?

Guess what. My Southern state of NC has a DEMOCRATIC governor and a Dem controlled state legislature, as well as numerous Dem US House Reps. So there.

[Nimble_Idea]

10. Your State is turing reder by the day

I have given up any hope that NC was going to change for the better. Chris Mathews blew a lot of smoke up people's asses about NC for two elections in a row. Back in 2002 and again in 2004 and he was wrong both times.
Your governor on the other hand....might be able to turn things around....who knows....He might be the next president of the United States.

[ultraist]

15. No, my state is not turning redder. Bush's approval ratings have dropped

Bush's approval ratings have dropped here, since the election.

I'm not giving up on my state. NC has MORE REGISTERED DEMOCRATS than Republicans. Betcha didn't know that, did ya? BOOYA!

[Somawas]

27. I knew that.

Been one of them for 40 years.

[NoSheep]

35. NC kindred here! Good god I hate these threads. Posted the purple map

below. Hope to see you all in DC!!!! :7

[Somawas]

12. My home state of NC also elected freeptard Burr to the Senate.

[ruggerson]

30. Yeah, and you gave us Jesse Helms, Thanks a helluva lot n/t

[NoSheep]

36. Some of us don't speak to our own families for that shit! Give us a break.

[patrice]

3. Racism is still very strong in the U.S. and getting stronger. n/t

[ultraist]

6. And so is homophobia, thanks to the religious rightwingnuts

[HereSince1628]

4. We kill them by granting them the thing they wished for.

Besides being bundled up in woolies, we commie liberal northerners are very cunning.

[CarbonDate]

5. Let them secede if they want to.

Seriously, the rest of us will be fine without them.

[ultraist]

7. BWHAHA! Like the Dem party can afford to lose MILLIONS of Dems, right.

[Gildor Inglorion]

9. Hush yo' mouth, sugah....

Remember,there are MORE liberal Democrats in Mississippi than there are in Vermont. We may be temporarily outnumbered, but we're here!

[merh]

11. Yes we are!

And the OP and others are just ignorant of the facts. :shrug:

[Sgent]

8. Let's See

In Mississippi

1 D controlled House of Rep.
1 D controlled Senate
1 D Sec. of State (statewide elected office)
1 D Our last Governor
2 D US Representatives (out of 4)

Yes, we elect a lot of R's, and go almost exclusively R for president since Reagan. Someone like Paul Hackett could win the state, someone like Kerry or HR Clinton has no chance.

Edit:

To win this state, you must be, among other things:

1) Protestant (UCC or UMC would be ok for most people)
2) A "straight talker". I hate *, but compared to Kerry he definitely projected the illusion of being honest and forthright.

[Nimble_Idea]

14. Get over the illusions

Democrats of the south in LOCAL offices consider themselves DixieCrats of the old.

Local politics are Dem(Dixie) but on the national level it is back to their fellow Red Comrades.

[merh]

18. Where do you live that you know all of that?

The Dems down here do not consider themselves Dixiecrats. Please share with us how you know the south so well.

[Sgent]

34. Well

My local "dixiecrat" in a R district

Has personally killed almost every plan to destroy Medicaid for the last two years by our R govenor.

If that's a dixiecrat, elect more of them.

[merh]

20. Great posts - but you left off one important point.

Southerners like the candidate to come ask their votes, not to assume they will get their votes because of the party. The Democratic Party has to remember that we are part of the USofA and we deserve visits from our national candidates.

:patriot:

[lvx35]

13. Rock on southern Dems.

I think we can and should get the south back. Its just a matter of blowing the illusion off the idea that Bush is some sort of cowboy, or gives a damn about the poor working class people. He is a Yale fancy-lad rich boy with a cowboy hat, and the sooner the south sees that the better.

[eridani]

16. Racism is all over, not just the South

Non-Southerners should quit being so damned self-righteous about it.

[ultraist]

19. Yes, racism is all over.

If one compares the gaps between African Americans and whites in education, health care, income and other socio-economic indicators, they are JUST AS BAD in Northern states as they are in Southern states. And we know WHY African Americans are NOT doing better in the North!

Another indicator used to measure racism, is interracial marriage. SC has the HIGHEST rate of interracial marriage of all states. Far above the national average. Southerners are no longer segregated they way they were in the past.

[Wcross]

22. Racism is a thought process, not a geographical location.

Rodney King was almost beaten to death in
A) Alabama
B) Missippi
C) Georgia
D) A "blue" State with no racisim.

They shoved a broomstick up a suspect's (who happened to be of color) butt in?

A)Alabama
B)Missippi
c)Georgia
D) A "Blue" state with no racisim.


I could go on...........

[Wcross]

17. The Govoner of Tennessee is? Congress members?

I believe your ASSumption is showing Nimble_Idea.

[true_notes]

29. Bredeson is in office

Because Sunquist was an absolute failure as a human being and a governor. Bredeson did leaps and bounds for Nashville, but with the lack of federal funding, his hands are tied for the governership. I have nothing but respect for him.

[NoSheep]

21. Please check this out before you bash my state. We are working hard.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

[seabeyond]

23. panhandle of texas cant run as a dem. but i have been told, not

all of texas so i wont say my (adopted) state, just my area. and liberals have been painted so poorly here in this area. open ridicule and acceptable. as a matter of fact, they look at me in surprise when i say, hey, pisses me off when you say i am unchristian, or unamerican or lack family values.

they pause and say "it does?" in surprise.

nope, dont think it is going to happen soon in amarillo.

[GarySeven]

24. The Intolerant North

How come the North is pretty much wiping out the legacy forged during the 20th Century by progressives and liberals across the country? It seems strange that "blue people" in the Northeast have forgone all their reason and instead seem to be taking marching orders from Rovian Republican strategists: that is continually attacking the South as if it were a monolithic region, in which all think alike.

Why does the Northern leadership of the party insist that Southerners MUST adopt every paragraph and sentence of the Party's ideology - which includes sneering at religion, patriotism and everything that holds this country together. Why do they insist that we, by rejecting their world-weary, cynical, cosmopolitan and airy dismissals of these attributes, are, therefore, unworthy of the claim "liberal" and must be purged in a manner both Trotsky and Rove would approve. In fact, the Conservatives on K Street can consistently rely on the churlish snobbery of the North - Northerners are the perfect allies in their efforts to create the sort of divisions that will destroy the legacy of Progressivism.

The Intolerant North will march to the tune of Conservative ideologues with their typical blindness. The Northern elite liberal will think he MUST enforce the purity of the Party and isolate it from the "thuggish South" and feel himself proud - while unwittingly playing into the hands of the forces who wish to destroy America and everything America represents. By insisting that everyone in the South do as they say, they will make precisely the same mistake liberal reformers made so long ago - a mistake that launched a war.

Oh, Franklin, what do we do?

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. Wow...this world-weary New Yorker was really pissed at the OP

Until I read this pile of stinking dogshit (sorry, I'm so cosmopolitan and disconnected from "real" American values as to not know what horseshit smells like...).

[merh]

26. I have to agree with you, that post is as bad as the OP.

:shrug:

[GarySeven]

43. And so disconnected from your education

you don't know what "parody" is like.

[alcibiades_mystery]

47. Yuck yuck yuck

That's a helluva funny parody.

Or a remarkably unfunny failed parody.

One of the two. :eyes:

BTW, I'm close enough to my educatiuon to know that it's not a parody if you believe the supposedly parodical statements, as you certainly seem to indicate in your explanatory post #45. If you don't want to own up, fine. It's still dogshit, and it stinks to high heaven.

[ruggerson]

33. It's not sneering at religion

It's just that we dont' like fundamentalist theocratic bigots. You're using freeper logic and rightwing talking points. They confuse "religion" with "fundamentalism" too.

And when was the last religious rightwing fundie who sprung from New England?

[seabeyond]

37. you have one in pen i believe that wants to bring back stoning

cuase since we are going to law from the bible, stoning is a legitimate punishment per bible.

being a calif living in texas, i am above all the fray. neither northern or southerner. i can sit back and watch the to do

[GarySeven]

44. Yes, by all means, sit by and watch

as through your apathetic spectatorship everything won during the 20th century is wiped away by the alliance between the "constitution in exile" and dominionist crowds.

[GarySeven]

42. George W. Bush

springs to mind.

[really annoyed]

51. To be fair...

George W. Bush was raised in Midland and Houston, Texas. He was just born in New Haven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_w_bush

Here is a list of "notable" people from the Christian right. They come from all over the place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

There is the Christian left too. A good majority of them come from the North and the "Midwest."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left

[really annoyed]

40. Glad I'm in Michigan

We are the "midwest." I do not have to worry about this North/South nonsense people can't get over.

Religion and patriotism hold this country together? Color me confused. Which religion is that? Because Catholicism is the main religion where I live. If I make a remark against individuals who want to make the United States a fundamentalist theocracy, I'm "sneering" at religion? I'm so sorry I was defending freedom of religion - how unpatriotic of me! To stand up for an actual American value! Geez, I am arrogant!

And what type of "patriotism" are we talking about here? A true patriot stands up for their country when they see it headed in the wrong direction.

And last time I checked, I don't think the liberal elite post here. I think we're average Americans just like yourself. Don't paint yourself out to be a victim of "Northern" bigotry.

[GarySeven]

45. Don't mischaracterize my post

People in the North - or at least those who profess to define the doxology of liberalism - seem to feel that any expression of religion, whether it be snake handling or Zen, is the affectation of a disordered mind and evidence of the sort of backwards thinking that cannot possibly be associated with progressive thought. And we are on the same page on your concept of patriotism, although the elite - whose names on this board are legion - seem to feel that sentiment is also heretical.

[really annoyed]

50. Well, this is a message board

I don't think the majority of people here are hostile to religion. I'm not religious, but I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with individuals (aka the "religious right") who seem to think their mission is to convert everybody and turn the United States into a Christian theocracy. Some Catholics are in that category, but to be honest, I find them the most tolerant of all the Christian denominations. I say this through personal experience with friends.

I can accept that religion has been a major factor in many progressive movements. It doesn't affect me any. I can also accept that there are individuals who hate religion - and they come from the left and right side of the aisle. That is difference of opinion. I've yet to find a liberal leader throughout history who hasn't been religious. So, I really don't see what the problem is.

Plus, I didn't know we had people who are "elite" here! :D
I'm sure those members are happy to be noticed! :)
I've been around here since late 2001 - I started posting in late
2004. I think we're all just normal - some of us just post more than others.

[MazeRat7]

28. Damn Yankees... don't know their ass from a hole in the ground...

*grin.

Stereotyping sucks... don't you agree ?

MZr7

[really annoyed]

31. Leave the South alone

Heck, I live in "blue" Michigan and it's so conservative where I live!

As far as I'm concerned, there are idiots everywhere. :evilgrin:

You'll find racism and all that other mess pretty much in every state.

[bigfootme]

32. Well for starters

go to these forums for a taste of what people in Augusta Ga. think about current events. http://forums.augustachronicle.com/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi


I have posted on this site for years and can tell you that they, as a group are the most Fox watching, Rush listening, Boortz worshipping, O'Reilly absorbed bunch that I have ever encountered. To them the gas prices are a bargain any way you look at it, America is a beacon of hope to all that we invade and bomb, and everything that is wrong in this country is Bill Clinton's fault, unless it can be blamed on college professors. Everyone knows that they are poison to young minds according to this group.

They have one local gasbag talk show host by the name of Austin Rhodes who built his career on harping on the career of one local politician named Walker.

Walker did get convicted and now poor AR has nothing to talk about except for his hatred of the poor. He did a show the other day about the horrors of those living in public housing getting free trash service while the people who owned their homes have to pay for it and how unfair it all is. He is a total racist but disguises it by attacking class instead of color but it is pretty obvious who he is really talking about.

[drhilarius]

38. Holy Crap! That's my hometown...

I left there three years ago, and I haven't regretted it for a moment. In fact, I dread going back for exactly the reasons you state. That place is the very epitome of everything that is wrong with the south. I mean, take everything terrible about the south, leave out almost all of the good stuff, and you have before you Augusta, Georgia.

Thanks--I needed this little reminder of why I should never be homesick.

[GarySeven]

46. I beg your pardon, mama, what did you say?

My mind was drifting out on Martinque bay.
It's not that I'm not interested, you see -
Augusta, Ga., is just no place to be.

I'm from Georgia and I don't even consider the place part of the state.

[KingFlorez]

39. There is hope for every state

Southerners elected Democrats in the past mostly because of economic purposes. We need to pull the debate back to economic issues in order to win the South. Mississippi is the poorest state, so in reality they should vote for Democrats because of economic issues.

[hyphenate]

41. I don't know the answer to your question

but I will say this:

A couple of years ago, there was a very short lived television series called "Mr. Sterling" about a fictional politician who was installed as a California senator by Democrats but was never officially asked his party until after they put him in. His father had been a well known and respected Democrat, so the powers that be "assumed" he was the same as his father. Turns out he wasn't a Democrat--he was an Independent. When asked about this by one of his staff (after installation), he said something to the effect that how could he be either, when the values were so different even in the same party, where a New England Republican was far more liberal than a Southern Democrat? I think about that quote when I see questions like this: political parties are fine and great, but it isn't until one starts actually defining their positions that they can see which side of the fence they're going to come out on.

As we all know here already, there are some Republicans like Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins who fall far closer to the fence as true moderates and there are those whose party loyalty actually is over the fence, like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller. I personally think John Breaux and Mary Landreiu are more DINOs than true liberals as well, but then I don't live in the south.

[wli]

48. secede and beg Canada to take us in?

Hell, I don't know. At least if we went to Canada there'd be gay marriage.

[bluedonkey]

49. Why don't you tell us

where you live?
BTW,my state has a FEMALE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR.
Notice:I'm not ashamed to let everyone know where I live.

[raysr]

52. IQ has alot to

do with it, oh, incest too!!!

[RosaP]

53. I don't get it...

...Woody Allen is not from the South.

[Gemini Cat]

54. Oh hell. Not this again!

Stop picking on the south, dammit.
It's silly.
This is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the The United States of "some of us are cool and some of us aren't so cool, but the uncool ones can stay as long as us cool ones can ride their collective asses and blame every single right winged fucking problem that douche bag from Connecticut dishes out, on all those uncool ones from the south, no matter how they voted" America.

We are ALL in this together no matter where we may come from.

[Technowitch]

55. Locking

United we stand, divided we fall, friends. I grew up in Pennsylvania, moved to California in the late 90s -- and one of my best friends among my fellow Moderators is a fabulous lady who lives in Alabama. We DUers are from all over.

Let's ease up on the regional bashing now, shall we?

-Technowitch
DU Moderator