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CARLSON: Now, last night on this show—I know you weren‘t here. I don‘t know if you saw it, but I in effect defended Cindy Sheehan, by saying, you know, she‘s a grieving mother. And I don‘t agree with her, and she‘s aligned with some bad people, but you know, I give her a pass. Her son died.
MADDOW: Right.
CARLSON: Then I—should have done more research. I was on vacation. It‘s my fault. I read this. April 27, 2005, Cindy Sheehan, at a rally, San Francisco State University, quote, “America has been killing people since we first stepped on this continent. We‘ve been responsible for death and destruction.”
Quote, “This country is not worth dying for. Had I known all this,” she had, “I would never have let my son try and defend this morally repugnant system we have.”
It‘s disgusting. I will never again defend Cindy Sheehan.
MADDOW: Has she—has she lost her moral standing? Has her son no longer died for this country?
CARLSON: Her son died. That does not give her moral standing, A. B, she attacks...
MADDOW: So you changed your mind since yesterday.
CARLSON: She attacks this country, as not worth dying for and morally repugnant. She‘s morally repugnant for saying it. I‘m ashamed of myself for defending her. I retract it.
MADDOW: Really?
CARLSON: Yes, I am.
MADDOW: You retract your support for this woman...
CARLSON: Yes.
MADDOW: ... even though the basis of your support was that her son died.
CARLSON: Yes.
MADDOW: It doesn‘t matter. He was wiped away...
CARLSON: No, no, her son‘s death is not wiped away. My overly sentimental heart-felt rather than intellectual defense of her because I felt sad for her, and I still do, does not obviate her attack on our country. You can be against this war, as I am, and not be against America. She has gone over the edge, attacking the war and our country itself. And that‘s wrong.
MADDOW: Sheehan has views that you disagree with, that you think are odious. If she has moral standing on the basis of the fact that her son died, she has moral standing on the basis of the fact that her son died. The attempt to isolate and smear Cindy Sheehan is the thing that is the huge backlash in the story. That the story has become the attempt to smear Cindy Sheehan.
What about the other moms who are out there in Crawford who are protesting? What about Michele Duford (ph)? What about Lynn Braddock (ph), all these moms who are coming from all over the country? The fact is that they are responding to Cindy Sheehan being smeared, which is disgusting.
CARLSON: OK. Look, I take them seriously. I am opposed to this war. I am a conservative who is opposed to it, and I‘ve said that since day one and take a lot of heat for it, frankly.
However, calling this country morally repugnant, saying this country is not worth dying for, those are disgusting things to say, and I don‘t support anyone who says it.
MADDOW: If you disagree with her, that‘s fine. The fact is, longest president vacation in 36 years, approval rating, 35 percent, three points lower than Nixon was at at the height of Watergate.
He‘s got—he‘s got the moms of dead soldiers following him everywhere he goes. They‘re showing up in Utah, the reddest state in the country. He‘s in big trouble. If you want to make Cindy Sheehan the problem in response to that.
CARLSON: No. I‘m not. I‘m...
MADDOW: It‘s gross.
CINDY WAS TALKING ABOUT IRAQ!
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