New LA Times Poll: Davis is toast. Arnold to be new governor

[jeter]

This is a bad one. Techinically I think Cruz can pull ahead. But Davis is done for. Time for people to wake up to the fact that Davis has lost. Should we now save ourselves?

I say SUPPORT BUSTEMANTE. Otherwise ARNOLD will become Governor.

Those For Recall: 56%
Against Recall: 42%

2nd Round:

Arnold: 40%
Bustamante: 32%
McClintock: 15%

Expect McClintock to back out soon.

www.latimes.com/news/politics/recall/la-me-poll1oct01,1,4913112.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[spooky3]

1. As I understand it, it's not either/or--you can vote no on recall

and yes on Bustamante (if recall passes) at the same time.

[liberalnurse]

2. Why don't people care?

Davis was duly elected....Don't they see how this is a takeover? A simple history lesson would or could make all the difference.

Media hype is way too powerful!

[leesa]

9. Yes, and that is why you should not believe RW political polls.

They want people to stay home. What is the sample size?

[Nederland]

24. Here's Why

Davis was duly elected....Don't they see how this is a takeover?

They don't see it as a take over because the recall people followed the letter of the law in California. The California constitution allows for a governor to be recalled, and people gathered enough signatures to do it. Contrary to the opinion around here, there is no coup and there is nothing illegal going on. Just politics at its worse--and Davis is as responsible for that as anyone.

[Booberdawg]

3. Davis and Cruz can BOTH pull ahead

Arrianna dropped out last night and is encouraging her supporters to vote against the recall and is backing Davis. She will be campaigning the rest of the week against Arnold.

Huffington Quits Race, Backs Davis

McClintock insists he is not dropping out.

I believe Clinton is making another trip to campaign for Davis this week as well.

This isn't over yet.

[CMT]

4. While it is helpful

Arianna only was at about 2% in the polls.

[Booberdawg]

6. 3% I thought ;-)

on edit: from the article in my post above:

Camejo is promising to stay in the race, but in recent days he has told supporters that he would not object if they decide to oppose the recall or to back a candidate who could prevent a Republican victory. "If they can't get past their fear of Arnold, we're not going to condemn them," Camejo's spokesman, Tyler Snortum-Phelps, said today.

Together, Huffington and Camejo are drawing the support of about 6 percent of voters questioned in recent polls. But some polls also have suggested that Davis may need only that much more of the electorate to survive the recall.

"It might seem like just a sliver of the electorate," said Mark Baldassare, the polling director of the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California, "but it could be a significant one. In a close election, they could make a big difference."

[mitchtv]

20. this shit gets no coverage 10 seconds at most

he needs to BUY advertisinf , which apparantly he isn't going to do.

[NicRic]

5. Sadly I agree !

I live in Ca. and Iam disgusted by the shallowness of the electorate ,to elect a republician for Gov in this state that voted strongly Democrat in the past is bad enough .Then to top it off the person being elected does not have any exprience , and has had so much wealth for so long ,is completly out of touch with how isolated the middle class and the working poor feel in this state. It appears the republician $ and power is now in total control of this country ,and they are having a feild day ! This all stems from the Dems lack of addressing the rampant corruption in the current white house. The Dems have only themselves to blame for a lazy voter base , that doesnt bother to vote and the lack of backbone to contest the lies and deception . I was proud of how strongly Ca. voted for Gore in 2000, well it looks like the repugs are now going to control the golden state, a very big prize indeed ! Iam fed up with politics and the unfairness of this entire process. If Arnold held such high standards, why would he go along with this joke of a recall. I say we should go ful speed ahead with recalling every Gov in a state who's economy is not doing well ! I mean the bad state economies would'nt have anything to do with the joke of a pResident we have. Then to elect someone from his party ,as Governor !

[chaumont58]

13. I live in Ca, also. I just don't believe the LA Times story,

The reporter quotes a Democrat from North Hills as saying something how bad Davis is run the budget. The reporter uses other quotes from putative Democrats that are not credible. I think the story and the poll are bullshit. I live in a Bush Country part of California, and have heard little about the recall effort, so I have no emperical evidence to the contrary, but I just don't think a substantial number of California voters will back the dumb god damn actor. I may be sadly disappointed on October 8th, and made a post on DU last weekend about how depressed I am with what appears, something tells me we are being bombarded with bullshit, from Ahnold and from the media.
I'm going to do my part: no on recall, yes on Bustamante.

[nolabels]

22. It's not if you believe, the trick is how they get people to spin

I believe squat the Times prints unless I can verify it. They have their advertisers they have to cow tow to, and when big buck ad agencies say not this week places like the LA Times flinches. Just last week you would have felt a little different tone from them.

They have to pay the rent just like everybody else, if it means a little deception in the editor’s office, they will do it. Just remember the biggest cash flow for these folks comes from advertisers

Here check out who owns them, it isn't too hard to figure out from there.

WHO OWNS WHAT
Tribune Company
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/tribune.asp

[Woodstock]

7. Arnold is sexist

I don't envy Californians. For Democrats to vote for Arnold is sheer stupidity, shortsightedness, and oh, let's DO tell them we told them so. But then again, I'm stuck with Bush's twin, Bob Ehrlich, for my governor, because stupid, shortsighted working class people bought his George Bush good old boy con. Unbelievable how willing people are to eat crap if someone dishes it out to them the right way.

[barbaraann]

14. I think it's worse than sexism.

http://community-1.webtv.net/patrick818/RescueMEofWaldo/

[gristy]

8. re: your thread headline

is one that many Californians and DUers will not appreciate in that they are still working very, very hard to defeat this recall. Your insta-pundit analysis (and quite mis-informed, I might add) does nothing to help the situation.

[GiovanniC]

10. Do People Not Understand...

That the governor that was fairly elected last November could get 49.9% of the vote on the first part (yes/no on recall) and the Kindergarten Cop could get, say, 35% of the vote, and Kindergarten Cop still wins?

Can someone explain to me how that's democratic?

[gristy]

11. Sadly, I think everyone understands that at this point.

:cry:

[bobd]

12. I've Said it Before and I'll Say it Yet Again

Over and over again the vast majority of the "American People" demonstrate that they are indeed fucked up shitheads. They simply do not care about anyone but themselves. The fact that a duly elected governor is gonna be replaced with a worthless clown, a joke of human being, proves my point yet again.

We are doomed as a society. We've collectivly reached the Peter Priciple (i.e., people rise to their level of incompetency). We are an incompetant, worthless society. We now deserve all the doom and bad things we happily bring upon ourselves.

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[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. The poster has a point

[Hell Hath No Fury]

15. "I grew up dreaming of dictators".....

Last night I was a victim, once again, of insomia. Around two a.m. I turned on the tellie and low and behold there was "Pumping Iron"! Unable to miss the chance to see Arnie at his best, I watched.

If I thought he was ambitious before, I came away from this picture now creeped out beyond belief.

One of his more memorable lines from the film that I am SHOCKED that no one has ressurected goes as follows (I wrote it down at the time):

"I grew up dreaming of dictators and other powerful people who had done things that would be remembered for hundreds of years, or thousands of years, like Jesus."


:wow:


Just what was Daddy telling him at home that had him dreaming of DICTATORS?!?! (They just glossed over Arnie's dad and said he was an Austrian "policeman".)

And after the film they showed a 25 year anniversary special that featured outtakes from the original movie. At one point Arnie is leaving a press conference of some sort and someone shouts out "So when are you going to be running for President, Arnold?" -- his reply "When Nixon is impeached."

We need to put a stake in this guy's political ambitions and QUICK. But my fear is that, like the "terminator", he will just keep coming back. Grrrr.

[LunaC]

26. A link for the "dictator" quote

“I was always dreaming about very powerful people, dictators and things like that."

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

http://stacks.msnbc.com:80/news/950552.asp?0sl=-44&cp1=1

[the_real_38]

18. Oh well, if you live in California...

... might want to stock up on breathing masks. I hear Arnie baby is taking money from some people that don't think pollution is such a big problem.

[mitchtv]

19. Maybe if Davis spent some money o Advertising he would pick up

in the polls, but honestly the MVT did him in. No one cares about the budget if they have to pay for it

[nini]

21. these polls may get people to get out and vote..

those voters who don't vote in every elections might be motivated to do so this time to stop this mess.


I think ultimately people will get it and jump off the hype bandwagon.. if they don't God help all of us - democracy will have been wounded yet again.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

23. Mc Clintock won't back out and even if he did, it would be too late for

absentees which have already been mailed. There will be vote for Ueberroth and Simon as well in those ballots.

A couple of important points. The poll does NOT state it was conducted in English AND Spanish and they eliminated over HALF of the responses to arrive at who was LIKELY to vote.

There is NO way of knowing WHO WILL vote and the interest has piqued due to non stop Arnold on TV...interest does NOT equate to action.

Furthermore the opinion poll on prop 54 shows it being trounced.

While I am NOT thinking Pollyanna thoughts right now, I am acting..unions are on the phone NON STOP during all business hours and as the vote approaches even union folks who were HOPING to oust Davis in favor of Bustamante are now reconsidering.

The TOP of the ticket is where the focus must be.

Bustamante also needs to tell Ritchie Ross to ShUT THE FUCK UP and stop dividing the party and creating MORE antagonism towards Davis.

If he doesn't...Davis isn't the only one who will be toast.

The Repubs are already eyeing him NEXT.

[KFC]

25. Car registration fee triples starting today - hurts Davis

Fee hike kicks in today. Last nail in the coffin for Davis.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/10/01/MN119654.DTL

[nini]

27. Didn't Davis roll back the fees a couple years ago when we had a surplus?

so, raising them is putting them back to where they were? or are they higher than that?

I don't remember... :-(

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. It was built into the law that the car fees had to go back up

if the state got into debt.

[nini]

29. So... why is this such a big deal?

he gave everyone a break when it made sense to?

That's what I thought - that we were getting a break for a bit. God forbid he get credit for lowering them for a while.

urgh