Talking points : The pro-war MINORITY

[iconoclastNYC]

Any who has access to the media needs to point out that people who support this war are the minority.

65% oppose this war

35% refuse to process the facts:

This war was illegal
This war was based on lies
American credibility is destroyed
They did not greet us as liberators
The oil revenue is not paying for the war (which will cost 1 trillion)
There were no WMDs
Theocracy is not FREEDOM
Women will have less rights than they did under the previous regime
This war is a recruiting godsend for Al Qaeda
Quality of life for the Iraqis is worse since the war
War profiteering is unprecedented
Nearly 25,000 dead innocent Iraqis, nearly 2000 dead G.Is, thousands of amputees and injured and psychologically damaged.

Why won't the anti-war minority tell us?

What's the nobel cause?

[indepat]

1. None of those reasons matter a whit to religious zealots and other extreme

RW ideologues, the brainwashed and the brain-dead.

[iconoclastNYC]

7. So let's give up.

All i'm saying is we need to keep it simple.

There is no way you can't win an argument with a war supporter if you keep to these points and don't take thier bait.

[ClassWarrior]

10. And most arguments are for the benefit of the audience, anyway...

...not the arguers.

Great ideas iNYC.

NGU.

[BOSSHOG]

2. Nice summarization and

it is a total reflection of bush's "leadership" and the sad mental state of his base.

[Generic Other]

3. Thank you for putting it so succintly!

:thumbsup:

[marmar]

4. But all the Baghdad Bobs on U.S. media...

make it seem like the country is solidly pro-war and the anti-Iraq War contingent is teeny.

:argh:

[madokie]

5. Will it be ok for me to paste this in a letter to the editor

Thanks

[Autonomy]

6. Look into that 25k dead innocent Iraqis number

that's the iraqbodycount.net gives, and they tend to seriously minimize the number in my opinion. I had heard credible figures that were over 100k in the first year alone. Then, you have to add the huge and growing number of casualities caused by bombers that would not have occured BUT FOR the US invasion and occupation. They kill several dozen a day, so that figure has to be many tens of thousands alone, and it's not included by iraqbodycount (if that's where you're getting your 25k figure).

[iconoclastNYC]

8. It may well be higher but you don't want the

debate to become an argument about the 25,000 or 100,000. To most pro-war people 75,000 Iraqis doesn't mean much (which is sad)

The thing is you want to keep to your core points and not get off on some tangent. Repubs seize any opportunity to get you off your facts and on to something they can get you all pissed off about.

So citing a controversal death count would be a mistake.

[Autonomy]

14. I see your point

and have had the same experience with infinite digressions, but I have a reservation. I really don't like the idea that pro-war conservatives are going to define the history and legacy of this war by what they will and will not accept -- that's the problem in the first place! These are people who do not respond to rationality -- I tried all that with them BEFORE the war -- so watering down the collateral damage figures may leave the forces of imperialism off the hook for several hundred thousand deaths merely as the result of conservative obtuseness.

I guess it depends on the context. If you were on TV debating, I guess the more conservative figure would be better. But in day to day discourse, I want to imprint a more honest figure onto the American consciousness.

[underpants]

9. BTW- polls said the same thing PRE-war (60% "don't go it alone)

[iconoclastNYC]

11. Yeah go it alone.

But that just meant people didn't want a unilateral invasion.

I think the real story now is that most people think the war was a mistake, not worth it. Thats what we can seize on to marganalize the PRO-WAR MINORITY.

Excellent graphic you have there.

[Orrex]

12. How long until our leaders

have the courage to identify the war's supporters as "out of touch with the mainstream" of America?

[dogday]

13. It's like they will be fighting these insurgents forever like

Russia did and it broke their ass... Their government will be ruled by Islam, they are already f**ked, we need to pull out and go home and let them settle all this crap themselves.

[donkeyotay]

15. Nice list.

The incredible shrinking president, This Unpopular Wartime President and the minority of citizens who do not think he should be held accountable for lying to get us into this mess.

[kittenpants]

16. they are pro-war extremists

yet the media paints the peace protestors as the fringe group.

[The Magistrate]

17. 'The Pro-War Minority', Sir, Is An Excellent Line

It ought to be drummed home at every opportunity.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"