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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:47 PM
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ABC News can bite me...
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 03:40 PM by Dawgs


Here's the heading on there front page now-->
Military Mom takes Pro-War Stance
President Bush may have a secret weapon to combat the anti-war debate outside his Texas compound in the form of an Idaho mother.

So, they find this pro-war women to "prop" up as the anti-Cindy, even though Cindy started her fight on her own, and actually has a son that was killed there.

Yeah, the media is liberal... :sarcasm:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:48 PM
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1. The counter-spin on this is easy
almost too easy

By putting this woman out front, Bush has POLITICIZED support for our troops...It's disgusting.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:50 PM
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28. I wonder if she has seen "Saving Private Ryan"?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:49 PM
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2. Has she actually lost any kids/husband?
Or is she just on the podium to counter Cindy with b/s.

and just becasue she doesn't want answers doesn't mean that the rest of us don't deserve to get them.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:18 PM
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18. No deaths yet
Her husband recently returned from Iraq in one piece, and without that look that people who have seen combat. Makes me wonder what her husband did while he was there.

Her four sons are still very much alive and I wouldn't doubt that they all have jobs that keep them out of the line of fire.

So the only way to find out how she'll really feel is if 1 to 4 flag draped coffins come home one day.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:47 PM
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26. I certainly don't want her to find out how Cindy feels that way
but the fact that she has not lost anyone yet is proof that her position on the podium is a hollow one.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:49 PM
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:49 PM
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4. She's an UNFIT MOTHER. Doesn't care if Bush lies her sons to their deaths.
The DSM has changed everything.

Any mother who doesn't want an answer to why Bush had the intelligence cooked to start a war her 4 sons may die in, isn't FIT to be a mother.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:51 PM
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6. The only secret weapon bush could successfully use against
Cindy is one that brings Casey back to life. Methinks the lady isn't intimidated Georgie.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:00 PM
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10. ohhh, I like that one. nt
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:03 PM
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12. I don't think ignorance is a cause to call someone
an unfit mother. And this woman did get on CNN yesterday and say that she may not agree with Cindy but supports her right to try to see *.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:22 PM
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21. Ignorance? Bullsh*%. NO ONE can claim ignorance of
the regime's lies anymore. Willful ignorance maybe--but that's not an excuse.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:39 PM
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23. Sorry, wd, but Downing Street Minutes changed everything about this war
and the why and how it was started.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:21 PM
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20. Damn straight. Handing them over to the killing machine
is less than parental.

And for any naysayers-- get a grip-- the war is a lie and a crime-- to support it is to be an accessory.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:38 PM
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22. Here's an appropriate sign to counter the spin
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:51 PM
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5. I remember them accusing Cindy of being "used" by the left
Mike Moore, etc, had allegedly grabbed Cindy and used her to do their bidding, putting their words in her mouth, etc

sounds familiar

this mom should count herself lucky that her soldier sons are STILL ALIVE

I feel sorry for her
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:54 PM
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7. Her sons have probably been put into
nice safe jobs for the duration.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 04:17 PM
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35. Heck, if shilling for Bush is the price you have to pay for your 4 sons'
lives, I'd seriously consider doing that, too.

But, of course, once my kids were out of harm's way, I'd rat the Bushites out.
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:56 PM
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8. While I pray it doesn't happen
I would think if "Gung-Ho Mom" were to lose her hubby or one of her kids she'd be singing a different tune. Remember the change that came over the woman Michael Moore interviewed in his movie?

Actually, this may be a good thing for this woman's kids -- I'll bet the orders are already in the works to get her family out of harm's way. If anything were to happen to them it could blow up in Chicken George's face. Couldn't have that.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:57 PM
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9. He needs a "WEAPON" against a dead soldier's MOM????? -eom
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:01 PM
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11. ABC is the one who pushed the fake Israel statement
that Cindy supposedly made. Peter Jennings is rolling in his grave...
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:05 PM
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15. good call
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:05 PM
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13. That same mom was interviewed and said Cindy has the right to protest
It was on another thread here yesterday. The interviewer (CNN?) was trying to get her to condemn Cindy, but she wasn't biting. She said that Cindy has the right to speak her mind!

I can only imagine what this lady was told about her family's future deployments if she did NOT agree to act as Junior's prop. She's got five sons and a husband in the military. Four sons are going to Iraq while one son and their father just came back. Think there might have been some pressure applied to this poor lady? She handled herself well in the interview. I hope all of her family members make it back in one piece.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 04:08 PM
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33. Agreed. This woman has shown some support for Cindy
by refusing to badmouth her. I was fairly impressed with the interview and I'm a little embarrassed she would be attacked on DU.

She is being used by BushCo. She's not the issue - this war and Bush's lies - that's the issue.

Let's be fair with this woman. She has to be having a hard time with her husband and 5 sons fighting this terrible war. She didn't ask to be a prop.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 04:14 PM
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34. It also sounds as if she didn't know that she WOULD be a prop
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 04:15 PM by txindy
It is reported that she loudly gasped/screamed when Junior mentioned her by name during his speech. She didn't see that one coming. What was she supposed to do, especially with six members of her family in harm's way - at the mercy of the creature that was using her for his own propaganda?

Adding: And she did NOT gasp/scream with happiness, either, so put away those sarcastic responses before you type them, people. :eyes:
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:05 PM
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14. Can you say John O Neil...
Mr President?

Maybe Dick Cavett could host a debate between Cindy and this administration shill...

Does this mean Cindy has to run for President in 30 years?
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AValdoux Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:08 PM
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16. To combat the anit-war debate..
..why doesn't he lead this country like a 'War President' is suppose to do. He could just tell the truth if it such a noble cause. When people complain about the anti-war movement, we wouldn't be compaining if GWB was the great leader they think he is. Roosevelt didn't have to hide behind mothers during WWII. We suffered far worse casualties but FDR led this country and convinced people it was for a just cause. Even Hitler pulled that off in Germany during WWII. The reason why we have protestors is because GWB is poor leader and he is screwing up his "war on terror". We have no confindence in his ability to lead.


AValdoux
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:10 PM
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17. the "noble cause" is obvious... Halliburton's bottom line n/t
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:20 PM
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19. This will mobilize more military families to announce support for Cindy
With greater numbers of military people and family members speaking out, there are likely to be some who will have great impact: People
able to speak truth to power with heart-rending clarity and conscience, like Cindy Sheehan.

Thanks, ABC - your piece will turn up heat on bush.

:popcorn:
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:41 PM
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24. we need to change pro-war to pro-killing as a term
let's just be blunt about it. It's to easy for the pro-war people to treat war as a noble cause. Let's call it what it is!
Pro-killing. :hi:
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 04:07 PM
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32. Well, that ain't gonna happen....
but personally, I wouldn't be too thrilled to be called "pro-war." I think it's pretty disparaging as is. :hi:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:43 PM
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25. But...this woman didn't lose any of her sons, right?
So, how can this possibly be analogous to what Cindy Sheehan has gone through? :shrug:
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 05:26 PM
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38. It doesn't compare.
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 05:28 PM by Scout1071
It's like they are trying to say, yes - Cindy may have lost one son, but look - REAL patriots put 5 sons and a husband in a war because they love their country more.

Edited to add: It's also very sad for this woman that her odds of losing a loved one are so great. I cannot possibly imagine the nightmare roulette that she lives with daily.

She has also been nothing but graceful toward Cindy Sheehan and said that she respects what Cindy is saying and supports her right to say it.

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:49 PM
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27. Bush pits mom against mom.
Another brilliant strategy that is sure to win the hearts and minds of the American people. :sarcasm:
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Old Vet Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:53 PM
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31. My thoughts exactly Nightowwl, Disgraceful.....
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HadItUpToHere Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 03:51 PM
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29. one can only hope, as i'm sure she does-
that at least one of her offspring is able to make the ultimate sacrifice for the president and policies she supports so whole-heartedly.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 05:07 PM
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37. Wrong. Flat out wrong.
Please show some sensitivity. She and her family are sacrificing greatly and she did not asked to be called out by *. I saw an interview with her where she said she respects what Cindy has to say.

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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 04:29 PM
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36. Whoa... Whoa... Whoa!!!
Take a few deep ones and step away from the keyboard.

First, our military families -- ALL OF THEM -- deserve our respect and our support. They are the ones who will be at the front of the lines of the battle to protect the rights of Americans (not just Republicans, not just Democrats).

Second, this family has served this country honorably. If we were still in Afghanistan hunting down bin Laden (as, IMO, we should be) this family and others like them would be serving. It is not their fault that this administration has some f-ed up policy.

Third, I don't know what type of sickness is slinking around on DU these days. It is never acceptable to wish, pray or hope for the misery of death to befall someone(s).

The true beauty of what we stand for is that we can (and do) support both types of military parents. We support the ones like Cindy who have had a death and want to know why we are in this war. We can also support those like the Pruett family by exposing the lack of true support (body armor, state-of-the-art weaponry, armored vehicles, extended medical care & other veteran benefits, etc.) this administration is providing to them.

Do not allow this administration to turn us against each other. Remember who the majority of military families are: the working class, the lower-middle class, the people trying to make their situations better. Don't let the petty tricks pushed to a public stage by this administration put you on the defensive and prompt you to speak from pure, emotional defensiveness.

We can, and do, support all of our military families. We support those who seek answers to the hard questions and we support those who need our voice in their quest for the best possible treatment from our government.
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