For the sake of the argument, suppose Pat Robertson was right

[ThoughtCriminal]

If war can be avoided through assassination of one leader, why did we have a war in Iraq instead?

1) Assassination is harder than it looks in the movies
2) Assassination does not get control of oil supply
3) Haliburton does not get reconstruction contracts
4) It does not boost your approval ratings
5) The replacement isn't going to be any more cooperative

[madeline_con]

1. So, the war was a good idea?

Or is Pat running for dogcatcher?

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[ThoughtCriminal]

6. Does the term "For the sake of the argument"

One Edit - I was too harsh, Welcome to DU. Been here three years and ain't never been mistaken for a freep.

If Pat is right - the IRAQ war wa a waste of lives.

I also make the point that the reason Bush did not consider assassination is because it does not make $ for cronies and does not boost his poll ratings.

Get it?

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[ret5hd]

5. i think you're either (purposefully or accidentally) misreading the...

intent of the post.

[WillyT]

15. Give Me A Freeper!!!

Think your in the wrong break, try forumville! :silly:

:rofl:

[dweller]

4. one question.

are you wearing the target, or holding the gun?

dp

[pitohui]

7. assassinations start wars, it doesn't end them

a quick look at history, assassinating leaders doesn't end war, it starts war

exhibit a would be world war one

assassinations in usa & vietnam sure didn't bring that conflict to an end very quickly, indeed, it heated things up

israel is also known to use assassination as a tool, you notice all the peace in that region as a result

i could prob. type out other examples for hours but you get the picture

an act of war, such as assassinating another nation's leader, does not stop war, it clearly initiates or continues the war, hello, a little logic

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[Hell Hath No Fury]

8. If Bush Co. thought for a second...

that they could get what they wanted smply through Hussein's assassination, I have absolutely no doubt they would have done it.

But, as you stated, it just ain't that easy. Not for what they wanted.

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[ThoughtCriminal]

12. But then who get's the dress up for the carrier landing?

Stalin would have been replaced - probably with someone just as or more ruthless.

[cascadiance]

16. Uh...

Stalin wasn't elected! Chavez was! THREE TIMES!

He's an elected leader. Just because we "don't like him" doesn't give us the right to "off him".

Other countries might try and rationalize that Bush is a Nazi in the same way, and try to off him too with just as much justification. You say that Bush is far from being the Nazi that Hitler was, and you would be right. Chavez is also a far cry from being a communist like Stalin was either. He might be a bit socialistic about a few things, but he's not the same.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

19. Say, Cali...

do you smell something on this thread? Sniff sniff... ;)

[TankLV]

24. I certainly do!

And it ain't a good smell.

[cascadiance]

30. Yep I do... Was noticing some low post counts here too!

I wonder how high they will be allowed to get...

I think the folks heading up Wal-Mart are of the "communist" mind set than Chavez is. They don't want to be an accountable elected official any more than the Chinese do, and like doing business with the Chinese too.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

17. Communist????

HA!, that is a good one! :)

First, I suggest you learn the difference between a socialist (which Chavez is) and a Communist (which Castro and our good friend China are).

And then I suggest your enjoy you time here. Pat would be proud of you. :eyes:

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[ThoughtCriminal]

25. Siberia is not Venezuela

Your grandfather's experience was quite different.

[me b zola]

27. The eagle has landed

Didn't someone start a thread earlier today predicting a new wave of freepers?

[bicentennial_baby]

18. ....

:spray: "Strategic assassinations area good thing they are just hard to cover up that's all."

Please tell me you forgot this: :sarcasm:

:rofl:

[me b zola]

23. so what does your screen name mean?

the only thing that came to mind was freep 101.

Oh, wait. Could it be freedom 101? maybe thats it.


Quite honnestly I have never heard a progressive make a statement like:

"Killing a Communist is not exactly like killing a human being or a good dog."

And when did Chavez become a communist? He is a democratically elected socialist.

Yeah, you and your post stink.

[pitohui]

28. actually there were plenty of assassinations in the era of which you speak

who can forget trotsky & the ice pick, for example

a little flurry of people assassinating ea. other back & forth to grab & hold power guarantees you end up w. the biggest, most evil dude on top

hence you end up w. a stalin

i suggest we encourage nations like venezuela that pick their leaders by peaceful means, not seek to destabilize them & return them to earlier eras of banana republic style violence

robertson never met a dictator he didn't like if the dictator gave him a share in a diamond investment

if robertson wanted to remove a savage genocidal piece of trash, he could have thoughtfully killed his good buddy charles taylor instead of going into business w. him

i suspect some oil investment of robertson's is getting gored, nothing more spiritual than this if his past activities be any guide

[dweller]

29. BANG!

i just saved 25+/- posts ...

dp

[Old and In the Way]

10. What if.................

Ruthless dictators who are slaughtering their own civilians or commiting genocide....what if the UN votes a bounty on their heads? Not Pat Robertson, but the UN. Is it more ethical to surgically remove megalomaniacs with a $.25 bullet than to plunge a nation into a war were 1000's of innocents are killed?

Personally, I'm all for it. It might also keep future dictator wannabes from commiting atrocities on the scale of a Amin or Bush if the world decides that the leadership is hazardous to the world's health and peace. Just a thought.

[GoBlue]

11. You forgot one...

6) The NeoCons couldn't take credit. No flowers, no flags, no worship, no heroes to honor etc.

[cliss]

14. AHA!

Now let's see Washington explain your question. GOOD question, by the way. I didn't think that one through to its logical conclusion.

Why DIDN'T we just go in and assassinate Saddam, since Robberson brought it up.

[TankLV]

21. For the sakc of argument - you're nuts.

Shall we now discuss the appropriateness of torture - again like some did a while back?

How about medical experiments on undesirables - like mexicans, gays, blacks and the infirm?

Moderators: Please lock this thread.

[ThoughtCriminal]

26. You're missing the point

It's a dilemma for right-wingers. Whose right Pat or Dubya?

[mandyky]

22. If assassination was so easy, Castro would be gone long ago

If I remember right JFK wanted to "off" Castro, and JFK ended up dead.

I will never suppose PR is correct about anything, however.