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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:41 AM
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US State Dept. docs : "3rd world a source of raw material to be exploited"
What follows are excerpts from the famous debate between Noam Chomsky and Richard Perle at The Ohio State University in 1988 (http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=8409).

In the debate Chomsky cites from now declassified secret documents from the State Department. Even an academic of high standing such as Noam Chomsky has a hard time getting access to such documents:

"One learns a lot from looking at the documentary record, and one learns a lot from the fact that certain people don't want you to look at it." - Noam Chomsky

Chomsky makes a distinction between what he calls "official doctrine" - doctrine as created behind closed doors, and "widely proclaimed doctrine" - the policies as told to the public.
He notes that what's actually happening in the world (much of which goes unreported in the mainstream media) - ie US/Western support of various dictators and genocides, and the 'debt-trap' of so-called "Free Trade Agreements" - is in fact consistent with (secret) official doctrine, but inconsistent with publicly anounced policies.

"Official doctrine is quite inconsistent with the historical and documentary record. (Official doctrine) conforms to the pattern of evolving events, and is entirely inconsistent with widely proclaimed doctrine." - Noam Chomsky

The interesting thing about Pat Robertson's recent quib is that what he said comes quite close to official doctrine:
"...And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. ... This is in our sphere of influence, ... this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil..." - Pat Robertson

Robertson is saying that the US should not tolerate any power unfriendly to the US in control of significant resources. The US should assure itself access to those resources, by force if need be. No nation should be free to deny the US access to these resources, and if that happens, the US should take control of the situation. In effect: the US must control resources anywhere by any means necessary.

That's pretty radical, and not very popular even amongst classic conservatives. But this ruthless persuit of wealth and power is quite popular amongst the powers that be. They know they couldn't get away with it if they'd be honest about it, hence the secrecy and the deception.


Quotes from declassified State Department documents:

On the 3rd World:

"...a source of raw material and markets for the industrialist capitalist powers, to be exploited for their reconstruction"...


On Latin America:

"Prime concern is the protection of our raw materials. We have 50% of the worlds wealth but only 6% of its population, we must maintain this disparity to the extent possible, by force if necessary, putting aside vague and idealistic slogans such as human rights, raising of living standards, democratization, preferring police states if needed over democracies that might be to liberal and to indulgent to communists, the latter has lost any substantial meaning in US political rhetoric, referring simply to anyone who stands in our way."

"The primary threat to the US in Latin America is the trend towards nationalistic regimes that respond to popular demand for improvement in low living standards and production for domestic needs. That's not acceptable because the US is committed to encouraging a climate inductive to private investment, in particular guaranties for opportunity to earn and in the case of foreign capital to repatriate a reasonable return."

"We must therefore oppose what is regularly called ultra nationalism in secret documents, that means efforts to pursue domestic needs. We must foster exports or (...) production in the interests of US investors. It is recognized such programs have very little appeal to the Latin American public. So the conclusion is that we must therefore gain control over the military which can in turn control domestic opposition and overthrow civilian governments if necessary."



So there you have it.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:47 AM
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1. read the book "Confessions of an Economic Hitmen" - it is the above & more
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:56 AM
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3. I know, i've heard several interviews with John Perkins
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:52 PM
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10. I've read it and recommended it to a few friends.
One thing that i see happening is that we (the US) is beginning to think more highly of itself than it ought to. The idea that we will be able to just take anything from any "third world country" is stupid. Remember, the best military on earth (or at least the best bankrolled military on earth) lost in Viet Nam and we are losing in Iraq. The misery index of this ill-designed and immoral war is yet to be calculated for the US public. If we can't control our borders now what the hell do you think will happen if we try to take over the oil in Venezuela? There is no ocean between us and i have visions of the "Motorcycle Diaries" time 100. And the South Americans already in the US are not just going to be "dog meat." there are already gangs that we can't control. With the National Guard decimated by the Iraq invasion and enlistments at all time low, and well deserved mistrust of this administration by everyone world-wide, we are falling off a neocon-PNAC cliff here. Some of us are trying to grab some parachutes.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:53 AM
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2. the imperialistic nature is an open secret
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 01:53 AM by tocqueville
but I didn't know they were stupid enough to put it on a piece of paper

then they wonder why "they hate America"... I can tell you it"s not for its "freedoms" but more the freedom it takes to plunder others...
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:59 AM
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4. What year are the state dept. documents from? nt
nt
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 03:10 AM
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5. here's something;

"There is a declassified State Department paper from 1948 that outlines what the US intended to do with various regions of the world after World War II. The US decided to take the Middle East and Asia. When it came to Africa, the document essentially says that we're not so interested in Africa, so we'll give it to the Europeans to "exploit"—that's the word used—for their reconstruction." - Chomsky
http://www.madre.org/articles/chomsky-0801.html

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:55 AM
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7. Josef Goebels called the United States "the most corrupt country in
the world". While this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black, he's still on the mark.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 03:18 AM
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6. This is it; 1948
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 03:20 AM by rman
I. Fundamental Principles: Straight Power Concepts

The fundamental aims of Western foreign policy under American leadership, were stated in a now declassified top-secret planning report produced by the US State Department’s policy planning staff, headed at the time (February 1948) by the ‘liberal’ George Kennan: ‘We have about 50 per cent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 per cent of its population... In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain’ the ‘position of disparity’ between the West and the rest of the world]. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction... We should cease to talk about vague and... unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we will have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.’

http://www.transcend.org/t_database/articles.php?ida=78


also
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq13.html
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:25 PM
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8. This is information that really needs to be known by alot more people.
So I'm giving it a nudge back up the page.

Far, far too many people in this country have no idea of what the United States elite -- our country's rulers (political sphere) and owners (corporate sphere) -- have really been up to in the world for most of the 20th century and all of the 21st.

This is a big part of why the U.S. populace is so easily gulled by the nationalist, "religious" and consumerist propaganda that the elites utilize to mask their true purposes and fool the masses into facilitating their own exploitation.

sw
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:13 AM
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14. Indeed.
:kick:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:53 AM
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17. Thank you! I have long known you as one of the most awake and aware
of us oldtime DUers. Someone who truly gets the BIG picture.

Thanks again,
sw
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:39 PM
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9. Duh.
:hi:

I was thinking that the "big scandal," about Pat Robertson wasn't the fact that a religious leader called for the assasination of a "dictator," but that Robertson, in effect, "busted out," well-known-but-little-discussed U.S. policy on national television -- that "official doctrine," you mentioned, above -- which is, basically, "kill anyone who stands in our fucking way of world domination."

I often write about this, but the most fascinating "Washington Journal" that I ever watched, was at the start of the Iraq invasion, and featured The Prince of Darkness, a.k.a. Richard Perle, who, when not turning beet red when people phoned in, to call him a fascist, was busy trying to make rationalizations for why we invaded Iraq -- you know -- all that "spreading democracy" bullshit. However, the freepers, who apparently didn't get the "widely proclaimed doctrine" memo, and whose very prejudices and fears the neocons/imperialists/corporatists count on to uphold the "official doctrine," kept calling in and totally -- without even knowing -- completely fucked up Perle's rationalizing. They were calling in "God Bless President Bush, we just gotta get the oil." and "Well, we have to protect our ally, Israel," and I could just see Perle thinking "SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU ASSHOLES! KEEP IT ON THE DOWN LOW!!"

It's not really that far down -- everyone with half a brain knows it, and the people without any brains simply pretend they don't know it.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:58 PM
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11. kick
:kick:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:10 PM
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12. kicking again... (n/t)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:42 AM
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13. kick
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:29 AM
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15. Whore of Babylon
A very good case for the USA being the Biblical "Whore of Babylon"...sitting on all that blood of the many!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:49 AM
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16. Still hoping to bring this to more peoples' attention...
If you don't understand that U.S. imperialism has ALWAYS been a bipartison activity, you remain trapped and useless in an illusory polarity of "left vs. right"/"democrat vs. republican"/"liberal vs. conservative".

All those distracting dualities obscure the true state of affairs; which is the coldblooded contempt and exploitation of the common (wo)man throughout the world (ourselves included) that is the M.O. of the global elites.

sw
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:45 AM
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18. General Smedley Darlington Butler
"WAR IS A RACKET"

Anyone reading this post who is not familiar with this true American Patriot, PLEASE just Google the title of his treatise. Doing so would make yer ol' Tante a VERY HAPPY CAMPER. Come back and tell Scarletwoman and me what you think after reading his writings.
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