China, Russia, and Iran plotting against the US? Wow...

[Blue_Roses]

The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran
By Jephraim P Gundzik

The military implementation of the George W Bush administration's unilateralist foreign policy is creating monumental changes in the world's geostrategic alliances. The most significant of these changes is the formation of a new triangle comprised of China, Iran and Russia.

Growing ties between Moscow and Beijing in the past 18 months is an important geopolitical event that has gone practically unnoticed. China's premier, Wen Jiabao, visited Russia in September 2004. In October 2004, President Vladimir Putin visited China. During the October meeting, both China and Russia declared that Sino-Russian relations had reached "unparalleled heights". In addition to settling long-standing border issues, Moscow and Beijing agreed to hold joint military exercises in 2005. This marks the first large-scale military exercises between Russia and China since 1958.

The joint military exercises complement a rapidly growing arms trade between Moscow and Beijing. China is Russia's largest buyer of military equipment. In 2004, China was reported to have signed deals worth more than $2 billion for Russian arms. These included naval ships and submarines, missile systems and aircraft. According to the head of Russia's armed forces, Anatoliy Kvashnin, "our defense industrial complex is working for this country , supplying the latest models of arms and military equipment, which the Russian army does not have". Russia's relations with China are not limited to military trade. In the past five years, non-military trade between Russia and China has increased at an average annual rate of nearly 20%. Moscow and Beijing have targeted non-military trade to reach $60 billion by 2010, from $20 billion in 2004. One of the key components of commercial trade is Russian energy exports to China.

more...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html


Bush is pissing every nation off and China is benefiting. The United States a SUPERPOWER? Not for long. We need a President who can get us out of the deep do-do we are headed for. Damn George Bush.. He's fucked up our country so bad.x(

While Bush embellishes about his "war" with Iraq, bigger fish are swimming in our cess pool and they are getting prepared. I think they are sending him a message.

[BayouBengal07]

1. Ever heard of BRIC?

Brazil Russia India China?

http://www.energybulletin.net/4444.html

I had to write about that when I did a term paper on Liquefied Natural Gas for my Geopolitics class. Scary stuff.

[wli]

9. there are several overlapping military alliances

BRIC is one, SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) is another. When they're all globbed together, the US will find itself standing alone with Europe neutral, Africa split half and half, and the entire rest of the world except for Australia and New Zealand in active military alliance. That much opposing force is overwhelming, unless the neocons have an entire Cold War -level parallel military using undisclosed radically advanced technologies stashed away somewhere. Even then it's questionable since most of the technological surprises haven't been all that impressive.

[DemInDistress]

2. Would China,Russia and Iran

Be considered by the Bush Crime Family as "paranoid" we Neo-cons don't plan on world domination,as a matter pay no attention to our "Blueprint" manual aptly named,PNAC. These gangsters in the Whitehouse must believe America is invincible,they boast"we the only
superpower on Earth".Frankly I'm delighted those 3 countries ans well
as many Latin American countries banding together realize the danger
this BUSH Crime Family is..The Fourth Reich ???

[Verve]

3. Bush better not start World War III ! This is very scary info! n/t

[Gronk Groks]

4. We were the only Superpower for 20 years...

...and shrub flushed it down the drain. Hope the Neo-cons are happy with their little Bushitler because America is going to pay a VERY heavy price for this idiot.

It was a great country, once upon a time...

[Blue_Roses]

5. sad to say

but I think you are right.

[Gronk Groks]

18. I wonder if Roman felt like this before the fall...

...did they see it coming and just couldn't change their leaderships despotic ways?

[Old and In the Way]

7. The only 2 measurements that we remain a superpower is

in our nuclear weapons and Navy. I think we have an edge with the AF, but not significant. Trouble is, our Navy, for the most part, relies on oil and I wonder how effective the Sunburn missle would be on our battlegroups. They are extremely potent and lethal missles.

Nuclear weapons are a double edge sword, too. We expose ourselves to the airborne contamination that using them would create.

Our arrogance and inability to get along with others will be our downfall. We have a bunch of religious wackos who are controlling our eductaional destiny. Stupidity and incompetence are in control.

This administration could not be more wrong for our country, given the way the world is evolving today.

[Blue_Roses]

8. Well said

:thumbsup:

[Old and In the Way]

10. Thanks...we have a significant edge in space, too.

That certainly is an important advantage that leverges our influence in the world.

[Blue_Roses]

11. but whats so damn frustating is that

it is being floundered by this administration. I wish we at DU would have more discussions about this sort of thing. It's really serious and in the meantime people are going "ho-hum"

I think Russia and China will not do anything drastic--yet. They know the history of our country and we have had some good presidents. That's why they are "riding" this out, HOWEVER, they are sending a strong signal to Bush that his cartel is no longer in charge of global "revamping" as I like to say when I want to totally re-decorate my living room.

My fear is that Bush being the arrogant, small-minded man he is will take this as threat and act more irrationally.

[walldude]

23. Actually nothing we put up in space actually works..

93 billion dollars and they can't make the missle defense system work...

[Old and In the Way]

24. I gotta take your word for it.

I assume we have a significant edge, only because we've had a 45 year jump....but I really don't have much knowledge on our strategic position relative to the rest of the world.

[longship]

6. There will be no attack of Iran.

With Iran in the Russian and Chinese sphere of influence, there's no way Chimpy is going to risk global war by attacking Iran. If he does attack, look for either Russia or China or both to back Chimpy down very, very quickly. If Chimpster uses nukes, we're fucked.

[Horse with no Name]

12. Where do Venezuela and Cuba factor in to this?

I'm sure they would ally with Satan himself to get a shot at the US.
Seems we need to be better neighbors with the rest of the world.

[Blue_Roses]

13. only to piss off Bush

kind of like the boyfriend your child brings home that makes you cringe, but you're nice 'cause everyone's watching and it's the "right" thing to do --for now:evilgrin:

[Rainscents]

14. Yes, don't forget, Venezuela just sign on with China and Cuba!

[Horse with no Name]

15. Looks like a tidy little global alliance that is forming against us

So let's see...China is bankrolling us and we are getting oil from Venezuela....so what happens if they put the skids down?

[Blue_Roses]

16. China is bankrolling us for more than oil

everytime I go to Walmart(the only store close to where I live--another story) the China logo is stamped on quite a bit. In fact, when I bought school supplies, I was so excited to see that the pencils were made in the USA...I yanked them up!

[fujiyama]

17. Cuba itself

is not very relevant (to this administration). Their expatriots are a source of votes and money, but that's about as much use Cuba or Cubans have for the republicans. Castro provides a thorn in the administration's ass, but it can be ignored for the most part.

Venezuela can't. It's the fourth largest source of US oil imports and is spending more militarily and has growing influence in the rest of Central and South America.

And the administration is proving itself so stupid in driving them into the arms of China. Through its belicosity and arrogance, it's allowing China to increase its influence globally.

Bush sure is a uniter - uniting the world against the US!

[cyberpj]

21. Venezuela works w/Iran to steer it's oil to China:

Russia and China:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3310317

Iran and Iraq:
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/3670/Iraq_Signs_Military_Pact_with_Iran


And here's where it comes full circle:

Venezuela enlists Iran to steer oil to China
By Andy Webb-Vidal in Caracas
Published: January 31 2005 03:00 | Last updated: January 31 2005 03:00

Venezuela has enrolled Iran to help it accelerate a strategy to steer its oil exports to China and away from its traditional market of the US.

A team of traders from Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the state-owned oil company, is to be trained in London by Iranian advisers in how to best place oil in Asian markets, according to industry sources.
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3221ed52-732d-11d9-86a0-00000e2511c8.html


Guess the PNAC clan will get to pull out their BIG toys now, won't they?

God help us all.

[proud patriot]

19. I really resent that republicans have put my family in danger

:grr:

[cyberpj]

20. Here's how I posted the CIRCLE OF OIL last week:

The CIRCLE OF OIL will NOT include US:

Russia and China:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3310317

Iran and Iraq:
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/3670/Iraq_Signs_Military_Pact_with_Iran


And here's where it comes full circle:

Venezuela enlists Iran to steer oil to China
By Andy Webb-Vidal in Caracas
Published: January 31 2005 03:00 | Last updated: January 31 2005 03:00

Venezuela has enrolled Iran to help it accelerate a strategy to steer its oil exports to China and away from its traditional market of the US.

A team of traders from Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the state-owned oil company, is to be trained in London by Iranian advisers in how to best place oil in Asian markets, according to industry sources.
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3221ed52-732d-11d9-86a0-00000e2511c8.html


Guess the PNAC clan will get to pull out their BIG toys now, won't they?

God help us all.

[Poiuyt]

22. I've heard that some critical parts for our missles are made only in China

Reassuring, isn't it? I think that's carrying outsourcing a bit too far.

[AnnieBW]

25. I Don't Trust the Chinese

And neither should anybody else. They have one goal - to be a superpower bigger and better than the U.S. is now. And they'll do anything to achieve that goal. For example, did you know that a lot of the telecommunications equipment that's being sold to the Afghan government is from Huawei, a Chinese company? Huawei is notorious for stealing designs from companies they have partnerships with, like Cisco. They also are partially owned by the Chinese government. (Read "Chinese intelligence"). The Chinese already own at least one Internet backbone in the U.S. Not to mention that, if they call in all of the Treasury bills they've bought, the U.S. government will go tits-up.

Joss Whedon had it right in "Firefly", his short-lived TV series set in the future, where everyone was fluent in Mandarin and English.