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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:23 AM
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WP: A Tale of Two Wars; In Baghdad, I Hear Echoes of Saigon in '67
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A Tale of Two Wars; In Baghdad, I Hear Echoes of Saigon in '67
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/27/AR2005082700035.html
By Lewis M. Simons
Sunday, August 28, 2005; Page B01

Excerpts:
I went to Vietnam a hawk. It was July 1967; I was an ex-Marine and a reporter for the Associated Press. It took only a few months before I realized I was being fed official lies on a daily basis. Now, having spent decades covering war and its aftermath around the world, I have just been through an eerily reminiscent experience in Iraq.

In the Baghdad of 2005, as in the Saigon of four decades ago, my government tells me that by staying the course, we'll cut out a vicious tumor metastasizing through the body of Western democracy.

Today's cancer is terrorism, not the red menace. But the singular constant remains this: Armies and governments at war all lie. They tell us that we're winning hearts and minds, that the troops will be home for Christmas, that the mission is accomplished. They did it then, and they're doing it now.

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Where 392 Americans were killed in action in Vietnam from 1962 through 1964, the first three years of the war, (and 58,000 by the time of the U.S. withdrawal in 1975), after 2 1/2 years in Iraq we have nearly 1,900 American KIAs. Where 2 million Vietnamese were killed by the war's end, we have no idea how many Iraqis have died since we unleashed "shock and awe." Is it 10,000, 20,000, 30,000? More? Who knows? Who in America cares?

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The next day, a U.S. Marine Corps brigadier general told a televised news conference that the escalating rate of car bombings in the capital and around the country was a sure sign of the enemy's "final desperation." (Two weeks later, Cheney issued his tweaked version.) The troops on the ground in Iraq, much like the grunts in Vietnam, know better. Yet by and large they're loyal, and most told me that they believe in the mission -- at least until they're ordered back for their second or third tours. These "stop loss" soldiers are most bitter about their perception that the administration's effort to wage the war on the cheap applies only to them, while private contractors grow rich.

On the green plastic wall of a portable toilet at Baghdad military airport, I read the following graffiti, scrawled by a civilian contract employee: "14 months. $200,000. I'm out of here. you Iraq." Beneath it was a response from the ranks: "12 months. $20,000. What the is going on here?" Speaking of money, the administration has never come clean about the massive debt it's piling up for us and our descendants. The nonpartisan Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments estimates that the Vietnam War cost the United States $600 billion in today's dollars. Iraq, according to the center, is costing between $5 billion and $8 billion a month -- $218 billion to date. That would mean $700 billion if the guns fall silent six years from now, a modest timetable according to numerous military analysts. Other estimates predict an eventual bottom line of over $1 trillion.

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So, what happens if we don't apply that lesson to our Iraq adventure? One of the most senior diplomats at the U.S. embassy in Baghdad told me that what he and his colleagues believed, and what kept them awake at night, was that if the United States is serious about establishing democracy in Iraq, and attempts to do so under current policies, it would take two generations of our soldiers fighting there. That's 40 years.

You may want to pass that along to your grandchildren.

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An excellent article. There is no light at the end of the tunnel.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:11 AM
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1. Piss and Vinegar
I was full of it in '65 when I naively believed LBJ and McNamara that the North Vietnamese attacked the Maddox and Turner Joy in the Gulf of Tonkin. I joined the Navy only to find out soon thereafter that the president from Texas was a fucking LIAR!

Ain't redundancy a bitch?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:38 AM
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2. The reason we have history
is because history consists of the same stupid mistakes made over and over and over.
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