NO: Anyone else a strong believer in mass conscience?

[titoresque]

I believe strongly in the power of mass conscience...it's simple really, we all send our best thoughts from the deepest purest places in our hearts, blocking out all other negativity...such as the asshole-in-cheif........and we do it at the same time.

Would anyone like to participate in this..... say this evening.

An online candle light vigil and silence.

Please let me know and we can agree to a time.

Peace to everyone.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. count me in

let me know the time.

[SouthernDem2004]

2. Not I. Pretty much a pure science type of person.

[KittyWampus]

13. "pure" Science? I Think The Term Would Be Dogmatic Science

[havocmom]

18. Very good^

:thumbsup: Too many 'scientists' are just as stubbornly dogma orientated as folks who pray with snakes on them.

[SouthernDem2004]

22. Wasn't trying for an official label...

[JackDragna]

41. Right. As in, people who don't believe in farcical concepts..

..without proof. I hope you're enjoying Coast to Coast AM, but please remember it's entertainment, not fact. :)

[Warren DeMontague]

66. I'll take dogmatic science over dogmatic bullshit, any day

of course, that's just my own preference.

edit: and that's not to suggest the idea contained in the OP is either. I think it's nice. Again, it couldn't hurt.

[titoresque]

26. We're all connected

to eachother in way's we'll never truly know in this life. Love is the strongest force of all that connects us. Am only suggesting that we team up (so to speak) and send our love in a group package, all at once.

[SouthernDem2004]

33. Couldn't hurt.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. You mean the kind of pure science that says a particle can exert an

instantaneous, superluminal effect on another particle, regardless of distance? (In short, suggesting that reality is non-local, and as such everything truly is "connected")

http://twm.co.nz/bell.html

Now, it's a ways from Bell's Theorem to the idea that all of us meditating (or praying, or whatever)on this deal at the same time could have an effect on something -although I've heard if you flush all the toilets in a skyscraper at the exact same time you will bust the pipes!- but, as you said, it probably couldn't hurt.

[The Straight Story]

78. Speaking of that - time travel :)

I told myself if I ever invented a time machine to come back and tell myself. I have yet to see myself and the date I set came and went :)

I can scratch that off my lists of projects...

[Warren DeMontague]

80. That's funny. I figured I would just go back and buy real estate

I do live in California, after all.

[titoresque]

88. yes but our

worldlines may have had something to do with that :)

[Usrename]

96. Isn't theology scientific? I thought it was.

I might participate.

[Warren DeMontague]

121. Care to elaborate on that?

Theology is many things, but "scientific" isn't exactly one of them.

[Usrename]

139. Sure, don't mind at all. I notice that much of the ID/Evolution argument

is tied/tangled up on set theory. Is theology a subset of science, or is science a subset of theology?

What this means is that people who believe in science have science as their theology (belief system). Hence, science is a subset of theology (which includes all belief systems).

Others, like myself, believe that theology is 'natural' and hence can be studied as a science. 'Is faith real' would be a question that could be studied using the scientific approach. This seems to make theology a subset of science.

Note that many 'scientists' could approach the 'is faith real' question from many different angles and get differing results. I think faith does exist, witness some suicide bombers.

<darn typos again>

[Warren DeMontague]

140. Faith exists, just like "mind" exists, and "consciousness".

However, accepting science, or more precisely, the scientific method, as a belief system (or, more properly, a meta-belief system, in that it is a means by which verifiable evidence, experiment, and theory can be used to update, modify, or throw out "maps" or explanations for reality) is NOT the same thing as science being a "theology". First off, the root of "theology" is "theos", which is Greek for "God". I also refer you to dictionary.com:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=theology

the·ol·o·gy Audio pronunciation of "theology" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-l-j)
n. pl. the·ol·o·gies

1. The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.
2. A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions: Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
3. A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.

Note "rational inquiry into religious questions". Now, you can define "where did we come from" as a "religious" question, but that presupposes a religious answer, doesn't it?

To say that "Theology" includes "All belief systems" ignores the fact that many of us are perfectly capable of having belief systems, or meta-belief systems, with no "theos" whatsoever. And, personally, my set of belief systems, meta-belief systems, meta-meta-belief systems (and so on) is too big to fit under ANY one word.

In fact, the belief that one can use semantic abstractions like "sets" for belief systems, and furthermore that they must behave in a linear, cartesian fashion, i.e. one must be "inside" the other and hence smaller, is in itself a belief system.

Now I'm not sure if this is the point you were making, but the old saw about how "Science is just another religion" turns up here every once in a while, and you'll please excuse my French if I call that the crock that I believe it is- not to mention the fact that it is the foot in the door via which the "Creationism/ID" crowd wants to shoehorn non-scientific twaddle into public school science class. All ideas are NOT created equal, and to say that, well, "Science is a belief system-- and so is Fundamentalist Christianity-- and as such they're both equally, scientifically valid" is a bastardization of both logic AND science. Science is a method via which theory and explanations regarding reality are tested and verified via evidence. Creationism, "Intelligent Design", and the belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster are NOT science because there is No. Evidence. Whatsoever. For. Them.

If any turns up, they will become science. Until then, they don't belong in science classes, nor in debates about science.

Church, Philosophy class, flights of fancy, whatever, that's not what the debate is about- it's about what belongs in science class.

[Usrename]

142. If one words is not enough we can try using two: belief system

Yes I agree that my belief system is a belief system and yes I believe that people who think they can change reality into something that it definitely is not if they only belive in it hard enough (ie. the IDers) are nuts.

What I was saying was the "crock" argument as you so elloquently describe it.

On the theology question (which I belive is semantic), if I said "I believe the Bush administration is an unholy Juggernaut", which I do, does that mean I am expressing a belief in a god. I think not. I think the same metaporical slip can occur in some peoples mind about science.

I'll show you by inserting two words <one believes> into your statement:

However, accepting science, or more precisely, the scientific method, as a belief system (or, more properly, a meta-belief system, in that <one beleves> it is a means by which verifiable evidence, experiment, and theory can be used to update, modify, or throw out "maps" or explanations for reality) is NOT the same thing as science being a "theology".

Theology, I think, may be the correct term to use here because we are talking about Christians that are pushing the envelope.

[WiseButAngrySara]

113. I'm a 'pure science type' as well, but the purest truth is consciousness..

...consciousness is mental/spiritual and not measured by the senses, which most scientists believe is the only truth.

[IndyOp]

3. What time is Katrina supposed to hit?

Peace. :hug:

[annabanana]

4. Jung?. . . . .

I think the concept of a collective unconscience has some interesting points.. not sure about harnessing it..

[IndyOp]

10. 'Real' scientists classify Jung as a philosopher -

I know because I am a lost soul in my crowd of psychologists/neuroscientists.

Scientists won't waste time with phenomena they cannot measure objectively - such as the collective unconscious.

I keep one foot firmly in the world of science and eagerly await a time when science can conceive of and measure what it cannot now.

New fMRI equipment offers some hope -- we can watch brain activity while someone is meditating or praying or while someone else is meditating or praying for our subject.

[KittyWampus]

14. thanks for your post. any recommended reading for the lay person?

:hi:

[IndyOp]

37. Neuro-Theology: Your Brain on Spirit

Just read 'around' some of the technical lingo & anatomical terms - and imagine what might happen in our world if we all understood that world peace is an 'inside' job...

Meditation Mapped in Monks
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1847442.stm>

The Crazy Wisdom of TDA Lingo
<http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/crazy.html>

The Lama in the Lab
<http://www.shambhalasun.com/Archives/Features/2003/200303mar/200303_goleman_daniel_neuroscience_meditation.htm>

It seemed from the preliminary analysis that Oser’s mental strategies were accompanied by strong, demonstrable shifts in the MRI signals. These signals suggested that large networks in the brain changed with each distinct mental state he generated. Ordinarily, such a clear shift in brain activity between states of mind is the exception, except for the grossest shifts in consciousness—from waking to sleep, for instance. But Oser's brain showed clear distinctions among each of the six meditations.

The EEG analysis bore particularly rich fruit in the comparison between Oser at rest and while meditating on compassion. Most striking was a dramatic increase in key electrical activity known as gamma in the left middle frontal gyrus, a zone of the brain Davidson’s previous research had pinpointed as a locus for positive emotions. In research with close to two hundred people, Davidson’s lab had found that when people have high levels of such brain activity in that specific site of the left prefrontal cortex, they simultaneously report feelings such as happiness, enthusiasm, joy, high energy and alertness.

On the other hand, Davidson’s research has also found that high levels of activity in a parallel site on the other side of the brain—in the right prefrontal area—correlate with reports of distressing emotions. People with a higher level of activity in the right prefrontal site and a lower level in the left are more prone to feelings such as sadness, anxiety and worry. Indeed, an extreme rightward tilt in the ratio of the activity in these prefrontal areas predicts a high likelihood that a person will succumb to clinical depression or an anxiety disorder at some point in their life. People in the grip of depression who also report intense anxiety have the highest levels of activation in those right prefrontal areas.

[Usrename]

100. Bush Junta = higher level of activity in the right prefrontal site..

sounds scientific enough to convince me.

[havocmom]

23. Yep, if they can't quantify something with tools they have now,

they dismiss it. They are the ones who get laughed at later when somebody comes up with the right tool for the job!

Magic/phenomena is just science we haven't figured out yet. Myths are the current explainations until some bright soul comes up with the tool to test until it can be understood.

Never made sense to deny the existance of something just because of the lack of full understanding of it.

Very learned people used to dismiss the existance of germs. Amazing so many today didn't learn the lessons of history in science.

[Tallison]

38. I don't know that scientists dismiss it

so much as decline to address issues they don't yet have tools for objectively measuring. If they addressed such issues anyway, they'd be philosophers, not scientists. I think both camps enjoy mutual respect for one another, as long as one doesn't overreach its limited investigatory toolbox.

[sojourner]

106. Many do actually take the position of dismissal, to the point of ridicule

for those who entertain the possibilities. Unfortunately.

I think your statement of "mutual respect" would be the ideal for which we might strive.

But for now, too many are dogmatically tied to their positions to consider anything that challenges their current world view. Whether they call themselves scientists, or philosophers (or theologians for that matter)...the process is the same - protecting the illusion of a percieved "certainty" that gives one a sense of security. False as it might be, it allows folks to function if they think of the world as a stable, predictable place.

[Tigress DEM]

112. Two words. Quantum mechanics.

Still. Since the Bush administration is trying to legislate Biblical truths as scientific fact, I can see people being somewhat leery of any faith based science fiction that could some day be fact.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. Right, but to get to the place where common sense breaks down

(as it does with most interpretations of QM) you have to accept and understand science up to that point. There is a difference between understanding science to the point where you get it's current frontiers and limitations, and not even having the most basic understanding of science at all, which is all too common today, in these United States (particularly in the White House).

[Tallison]

115. True, unfortunately

Especially about academics wanting to preserve their perceived sense of certainty and security.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. There are things at the frontiers of science which rigid materialism

may not be able to address. I agree with you.

However, too often the limitations of current scientific understanding, as well as the places where science is moving outward and forward are used, mis-used really, by people who want to junk the entire system. We see it in the evolution "debate". Because there is vigorous give-and-take within the legitimate science community over the processes of evolution (but NOT whether the concept itself is valid) and there are gaps in the knowledge (it is science, after all, which is always a work in progress) the creationists and God Squad pounce on that as "evidence" that the theory is in "disarray", or "in crisis".

Such misinterpretations can only come from people who are certain that THEY know the ONLY answer, and are willing to fudge, ignore, or create as much "evidence" as they can to validate their pre-ordained conclusions involving invisible bearded sky-men, original sin, and obsessiveness over the sex habits of the hairless apes of planet Earth.

You have to UNDERSTAND science to be able to grasp where the boundaries are of scientific knowledge. Yes, for example, Quantum Physics *may* imply some serious weirdness with what we consider "reality"... but that doesn't mean the Virgin Mary is laser beaming her visage onto people's toast because she's mad about gay marriage. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. People who want to talk about the limitations of scientific understanding, and where scientists do cling to certain "dogmas", would do well to understand science first, before trying to throw the baby out with the proverbial bathwater.

Just my opinion.

[havocmom]

86. and making assumptions about critics is dangerous

some of us critics are very keen observers and, sometimes, very serious students of science. That occasionally leads us to work with scientist who are as stubborn about their beliefs as some of the creationists are about their's ;)

You can be interested in and versed in science and still see a lot which is not yet understood. Philosophy, science and a sense of wonder are no mutually exclusive. One does not have to dismiss all which is unknown to be rooted in science. That's possibly why Albert had trouble with school?

My favorite line in the book Contact "Should have sent a poet" because sometimes it take poetry to express concepts our science has not the factuality to address as yet.

"Should have sent a poet" works for much. The human being needs more than just understanding. We excel with some awe in our lives too.

I fight for real science in schools, but know kids need to study poetry too.

[Warren DeMontague]

119. I don't make any assumptions about critics

but there's a difference between speaking the truth about the limitations of where scientific understanding is today (which requires, as you put it, being a serious student of science) and trying to argue that "creationism" and evolution, for example, are two equally valid sides to a scientific argument. They aren't.

And I agree with you about awe. Anyone who doesn't feel awe has never gone out and looked up (REALLY looked up) at the night sky, preferably in a place far, far away from the lights of humanity. But one does not have to be a theist, or need to subscribe to western religion (or any of them, actually) to be able to feel awe with regards to the Universe. In fact, some of us believe that the greatest awe comes from attempting to process whatever "reality" is totally free of preconceptions, assumptions, dogmas, belief systems, or semantic interprative structures of any kind (a neat trick, if you can do it- sometimes for seconds at a time!)

I accept that there are "rational" dogmatists; however, that fact no more drives me into the camp of the bible-thumpers than would the fact that relativity and quantum physics are currently incompatible when it comes to describing gravity drive me into thinking that, well, "those people don't know everything, so therefore the Earth must be flat".

[Tigress DEM]

110. Aw, come on. It CAN'T hurt and no one is asking you to change...

your life long beliefs. If all it does is calm our collective pshyce and that enables people in the disaster area to think more clearly.. knowing that people are thinking positive thoughts may make them better able to respond to the crises and survive.

[titoresque]

117. My sentiments exactly

thank you

Peace

[Pepperbelly]

5. your very innocent and rather nice question ...

will draw haters to you in nothing flat. But trust me on this ... these haters are vocal and not nearly everyone here feels that way. Hang tough because I expect them at any moment.

:D

Luck to you! :toast:

[KittyWampus]

15. Hey Pepperbelly, I Wish I'd Half Your Debating Skills.

:loveya:

[Pepperbelly]

31. I have no skills at all and ...

if you ask the Skeptics, I am ignorant, retarded, dishonest, and naive.

:D

[KittyWampus]

34. okay, LOGIC skills. I never took Logic in school.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. .

:popcorn:

[KittyWampus]

93. Once Upon A Time, Pepperbelly Started A 'Logic Thread' For People

to learn Logic and various strateies used in debates (ex, red herrings).

[Desertrose]

91. awww....some of your most charming traits, if you ask me.....

but then I seldom agree with our skepti camp, either.:evilgrin:


:hi::loveya::hug:
DR

[SidDithers]

19. Waiting for the haters....

let me know when they arrive.

Sid

[Pepperbelly]

24. they probably haven't noticed it yet ...

perhaps their heads are somewhere else at present. Best to you.

[JackDragna]

39. It's not worth the effort..

..to rebut the people in this post who call the regular application of reason to the world "dogmatic science." We'll simply pat you on the head and be glad you're wishing people well.

[Pepperbelly]

48. condescension ...

yep, there's one.

[alarimer]

59. Yes

What they are talking about is total bullshit. It might make people feel good but it is crap.

[titoresque]

64. miraculous things

happen when people feel good.

[jonnyblitz]

43. so people who don't believe in "mass concience" are HATERS?

sounds to me like you can't handle differences of opinion. NICE! :eyes:

[Pepperbelly]

46. nope ... i never said that ...

you can tell the haters by their manners. You're starting out on the wrong foot already.

[Warren DeMontague]

82. And defensively calling out others on this board in advance as "haters"

is starting out on the right foot?

I haven't seen anybody criticize the idea in the OP... and why would they? At worst, it won't hurt anyone. And hey, maybe it will help. Even if not, it's a nice thought-- and there's always time to remember that we share this ball with others, some of whom may be in trouble right now.

So, yeah, I guess all these mythical "haters" you speak of must have better stuff to do right now.

[Usrename]

102. So "you" think it might help, or "others" may think that?

[Warren DeMontague]

118. What difference does it make to you what I believe?

I don't think I've criticized anyone in this thread for wanting to participate in what was suggested in the OP.

[Usrename]

123. If you don't want to share, that's OK. Just asking a question.

[Warren DeMontague]

126. Personally, I think if it makes people feel better

more power to 'em.

Beyond that, I've seen enough weird shit in my day to not try to point-blank say "this will help", "this won't help". Who am I to judge? I'm not even sure what would constitute "help" in this situation, anyway.. the storm is going to hit landfall somewhere. Not much anyone can do about it, as far as I'm concerned, except find shelter. George Carlin, I think, makes the point about how if you have, say, an avalanche, and the one guy who survives always says he prayed and his prayers were answered... so: what does that mean for, say, the other 49 people who died?

But that said, I do think the presence of comments in this thread like "these storms are caused by the division in this country" underscore a slight lack, among some folks, of critical scientific thought.

[Usrename]

137. and the deaths that will come of it will be caused by the storm.

To answer your previous question, it wouldn't concern me much either way. Just wanted a clarification is all.

Believing and faith are separate things, I think. People can have one without the other, or the other without the one. If one thinks prayer "might" help, then that brings on an inevital choice, I think.

[Pepperbelly]

103. either you don't know what happens here or ...

you are being disingenious. Either way, I feel no need to defend either my thoughts or my speech to you..

[Warren DeMontague]

125. I'm not being disingenuous.

Don't defend your thoughts or speech, but then I would suggest you not waste a lot of time expecting others to defend theirs, either.

[Quakerfriend]

6. wonderful idea!

Let us know the time.

[loftycity]

7. Great Idea-I'm there

What time?

We should have a daily topic and send out good thoughts every day. To hamper the dark sides efforts.
It works.

[titoresque]

8. I was thinking 8pm ET time

that's 5pm my time I believe

[BeFree]

9. I believe

What are we really but a vibration that holds together all the different elements which make up our body, and fire up the mind? It's what holds us together.

The storm is nothing but wind, water, and heat. It can be effected by vibrations and I suggest we send vibes out forcing it to calm.

So good vibes it is. We don't really need a certain time, we just need to do it, and keep doing it every time it crosses our minds.

[loftycity]

12. Think of a Sprial in the opposite direction.

Unwind the storm sprial in your thoughts. Loosen its hold and calm it down.

[titoresque]

16. Wonderful!

I will post a new thread at 8pm ET with a visual.

[havocmom]

25. Good visualization idea!

Couldn't hurt. Might help.

I avoided a second surgery by healing with the help of visualization. Surgeons have no other explanation; they KNEW reconstructive surgery would be REQUIRED! HA! Sure didn't hurt to do the exercise several times a day for weeks.

[nashville_brook]

72. that's a great visual

[SlowDownFast]

11. Yep. 100th Monkey Theory.

Google it if you don't know the story behind it.

Individual thoughts in the collective are like the weather: you can seed the clouds (parden the example in this case) when you have enough thinking a certain way. It's just a critical mass thing. Personally, I believe in the power of thought and prayer without masses, too, but I do think it's amplified with masses. It effects others who may not be conscious of the origin.

It can go to the negative or positive.

Personally, I think this storm will bring lots of people together and bring out the best in lots, despite what tragedies occur.

That's when we are at our best, when tragedy forces us to re-examine and work together.

[charlie]

20. No need to Google

Lyall Watson let his fanciful desires get ahead of his capacity for rigor and truth on that one.

[SlowDownFast]

27. That may be true, as far as Lyall Watson.

But there is such a thing as a 'herd' mentality.

Humans aren't that far up on the evolutionary scale (if you want to call it 'up') that we can escape it.

Ever watch a flock a birds on the prarie or the beach?

They all immediately veer at the same time in flight.

There are plenty of examples of mass consciousness.

It may just be theory, but it makes sense.

Everything's just speculation anyhow in the end, right?

[charlie]

30. Well, no

Birds and fish don't veer immediately as one, they react to each other. The waves of reaction are too quick to see, but can be seen on film.

Anyhoo, I'm not intending to intrude on this thread with an argument. I honor good intentions, whether I think they're fruitful or not. I just didn't want to let a citation to a known fraudulent phenomenal claim (the 100th monkey) pass. Sorry about that, carry on please.

[Sparkman]

87. Don't forget that flying machines predate man's theories of airodynamics.

But your explanation has extrapolation potential to the max.

[mandyky]

17. I believe in mass consciousness but

What is causing all these storms is the divisions in the country, and it would take a lot to overcome it. As the Bible says, ya can't serve two masters, and right now the US is serving revenge and fear, and until we get the majority of people back to love and forgiveness, I am afraid vigils won't do the trick. But it can't hurt, give it a whirl.

[titoresque]

21. you're right it can't hurt

so let's give it a whirl. :)

[IndyOp]

42. Yes, right now the majority of the US is serving revenge and fear...

...and it's gonna take all of us serving love to get the majority back to love and forgiveness.

And, yes, that means loving *. When the hatred starts to overwhelm me I just keep thinking about what will do the world the most good - my hating * or my loving * and doing whatever is necessary to stop * from hurting anyone else. We have to stop him. Lots of folks (me included) waste energy hating *. Every expression of hatred toward * and his minions fuels the fire that Hannity and Limbaugh and the other righties use to accuse of 'just being *-haters.' Responding without hatred will get us where we want to go...

[Tigress DEM]

114. Well if * were on fire on the street in front of my house...

I'm at the point of forgiveness where I would actually put him out and call 911. But I wouldn't touch him and I would tell him, "Good luck with a firetruck response here in the inner city."

Actually, I wish he would get help and quit being so insanely driven to destroy our country.

But I've been able to put more energy in not hating the rank and file Republicans who I think have been lied to and mislead. I believe that in their hearts if they knew the truth, they'd tear him apart with their bare hands. So I'm not too upset that they are coming into their seeing of the truth little by little.

[ananda]

58. ermm..

.. what is causing this storm is hot gulf water.

Sue

[Warren DeMontague]

83. Wait a minute. Did you really just say...

"What is causing all these storms is the divisions in the country, and it would take a lot to overcome it."

Wow. Talk about faith-based science.

[mandyky]

97. I honestly believe when there is turmoil in an area it

makes it suseptable to natural disasters. One of the Seth Jane Roberts books I read made a lot of sense on the topic. Obviously, there are physical/earth science reasons there are so many storms and all that. I am talking underlying reasons. Thoughts have consequences.

[Warren DeMontague]

127. Thoughts have consequences... Like elections, I guess.

Anyway, I'm not a strict materialist, myself, but I find the anti-science climate in this country upsetting, to say the least. Most of the people who are critical of science aren't doing so because they believe that we are all transcendent reflections of the same collective oversoul participating in the eternal fractal cosmic dance, they do so because they're waiting for Jesus to smite all the fornicators, blasphemers and gays, and then vaporize them out of their minivans.

In my opinion, you have to get through science -REAL science- and understand it before you can grasp what the limitations and frontiers of it are, particularly at the places where "common sense" breaks down. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is. (and somewhere in between the Allman brothers do a nice 20 minute jam with it, but that's neither here nor there)

[mandyky]

144. If you like science, you'd love Seth

He talks about electro-magnetics stuff and quantum physchics. When I first started reading his books I had to keep a dictionary handy and take a few trips to the library to look up some scientific info I wasn't familiar with. (Reading him was pre-internet).

Not everyone is a scientist. Science doesn't have an answer for everything. There are still miracles. But I am not faith-based by any means. I think you interpreted my first post from that faith based stance, when actually what I was saying was based on a simple statement about a scientific "theory/study".

[sweetheart]

28. How about all the time

What if every single moment were a decision of mass conscience,
and the choice you make tomorrow will affect 6 billion
persons' enlightenment.

There is no off switch on mass conscience, and IMO, the american
version of this is so fragmented, that the heart is broken, a tin
clanging man with a coriander on his head, instead of a man with
heart... and no wizard to hand him a clock.

Then doesn't mass conscience then live in the microcosm,
every time you wash the dishes, brush your teeth,
light a candle, and turn out the light.

[titoresque]

29. I didn't poat this to really

argue belief. I understand the point you are making. I am only suggesting that people light a candle at the same hour, send thoughts of goodwill to NO and if possible, we have a lot of people do this at the same time. If I'm the only person that lights a candle at 8pmET that will be fine. I will be one more person.

Peace to you.

[Straight Shooter]

32. I'll do it.

I do believe in the collective unconscious. I'm in Oregon, marking my schedule now for 8 p.m. ET, to send blessings and prayers for protection to all of those in the path of Katrina.

[stlsaxman]

35. I'm in.

please post a time.

[crispini]

36. Yes. What time?

[titoresque]

44. 8pm ET

would anyone be willing to find a nice visual to post?
Am not good with photoshop but someone had suggested to visualize UN-winding the storm to calm it. I was thinking maybe a sattelite photo of the storm with a peace symbol over the eye, or pictures of peaceful things around the photo....ideas?

Can anyone doctor a pic?

[rbjensen]

40. OPEN THIS LINK

For the World consciousness program in Princeton. Not as crackpot as some might think!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. You forgot the link. Please post it! Thank you! n/t

[rbjensen]

62. OH GEEZ I'M SORRY.

Damn, I do that all the time.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/


Go there. You won't regret it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. Thank you! I've been there before and it is very cool! n/t

[Pooka Fey]

45. Kicked and Nominated. I'm in.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. I believe in it with all of my heart and spirit. Name the time and I'll be

here. I am in the eastern time zone.

[titoresque]

50. 8pmET

:)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. I will be here. Thank you titoresque.

Titor? As in the time traveler? :hi:

[titoresque]

54. the elusive

;)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. lol! :-D eom

[titoresque]

61. Im sure I'm

going to get flack for this but...what is eom?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

65. No flack at all! End Of Message. :) Then you have n/t..no text..same thing

[titoresque]

68. oh...I'll be using that now eom :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

70. You're a quick study! Peace! :) n/t ;)

[bribri16]

49. Count me in. I will try anything to help these people from here. I have

family there.

[BamaBecky]

53. Got it....7:PM Central!

Bama

[crispini]

56. 7pm CST.

I'll be there.

[xmas74]

55. Sure.

There is nothing wrong w/ putting out positive vibes for a good cause.
I saw the time for it. I'll check back later tonight.

[KyndCulture]

60. Count me in for 7pm CT.

[AuntPatsy]

67. count me in, sometimes all we can rely on is faith. Watching msnbc

right now and seeing the thousands of people still standing outside the dome waiting to find safety, I am just stunned and horrified as to what these people must be feeling...

[nashville_brook]

71. i'm in -- 7 nashville time -- makes it easy

i'll be "there"

[bonito]

73. I feel it to be true

:)

[Just Me]

74. Yes, although a bit different from your definition. Count me in.

:grouphug:

[yasmina27]

76. Count me in!

Absolutely!

[OneGrassRoot]

79. Count me in.....n/t

[MellowOne]

81. I'm in

I'll even say a prayer....it can't hurt.

[Sparkman]

84. Sure, I'm in. AND a word to sceptics...if you haven't noticed a couple of

"coincedences" beyond the laws of science, with probability and statistical defience in the extreme, then maybe it's because you fear the possiblity that there may be more to this thing called reality than science has or can figure out. Few denial mechanisms exceed that of FEAR. Hope is the replacement emotion that can overcome the lost opportunities that denial (or skepticism) cost us as human beings. Hows that for off-the-cuff philosophiz'n?

[Pithy Cherub]

98. Definitely in the moment with you!

[meganmonkey]

85. I'm in. I'll be lighting a candle shortly and I will focus on peace.

It is a great idea.

:hi:

[Desertrose]

89. Great idea.....glad you suggested it titoresque...5PM MST

Have to go out to a dinner, but with a likeminded friend so perhaps we will both join in....then to a Dept of Peace meeting....it will be past the time set, but may mention it there too.

:hug:Peace
DR

titor as (John?) Titor time traveler??

[titoresque]

92. the elusive

;-)

[nonconformist]

90. I'm in. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

94. Kick! nt

[jbm]

95. I'm in!

:)

[FreedomAngel82]

99. Yes

I believe in that as well. I believe we can change things with sending positive energy to someone and praying positive thoughts. When I send the energy to someone I know that it isn't up to me how they use the energy. I think it gives you that emotional strength you need to keep going on in hard times.

[titoresque]

101. its 8pmET please go here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4488603

[bertha katzenengel]

104. Hmm.

I wish you well. This is how I live my life but I don't believe good thoughts gather, multiply, and seek out the pain or evil and eradicate it. There is no cosmic aspirin.

I believe in staying hopeful and peaceful, and - tonight, most especially - attempting to block negativity. Which is one reason I'm signing off DU for the night. Too much negativity.

BTW, you think use of the word "asshole" (no matter who it refers to) is appropriate when trying to block negativity?

[bvar22]

105. Open Minded here!

Why not wish people well?
If it doesn't help them it will surely help you.

I DO believe in the Jungian concept of the Collective Unconscience, though I agree that it should not be taught in Science Class.

Those people who take pride in ONLY believing in those things which have been proved will NEVER discover anything new.

I'm glad Galileo, Einstein, Newton, and a host of others did NOT disbelieve anything that hasn't been already PROVED.

It is the people who think OUT of the BOX who make the greatest contributions to society.

[babsbunny]

107. Am I too Late?

I light a candle every night, but I totally believe in what you are saying!!

[titoresque]

111. it's never too late for peace

:hug:

[really annoyed]

108. Gee, I'm glad we can bash skeptics here!

:eyes:

I'm a believer in a higher power, but that doesn't mean I have to bash skeptics while I am it.

Not only that, it doesn't contribute anything to the "peace" thread we are trying to have here.

Please everybody, stay on-topic with your positive thoughts!

:grouphug:

[screembloodymurder]

109. A collective consciousness directing it's energy as one being.

Count me in.

"There is a web of life woven between us –

a tapestry of being, of sleep and wake, life and death, love and hope.



Hatred and a closed mind make a soul too sleepy to see that tapestry.



It is in prayer, in loving conversation, in singing together, praying and meditating together,

in altering our minds to be awake to the life around us that we see that tapestry for what it is:



the destination of every spiritual journey"

Oneness with God.

[freeplessinseattle]

116. well, it didn't seem to affect the election, but worth a shot n/t

[KitchenWitch]

122. I am in

I will light a candle and perform a ritual!

[all.of.me]

124. i believe in it!

i also believe that because of it, things are always much worse than they need to be. when we put our thoughts towards tragedies, we are creating them. worry and fear create a lot more than hope and positive energy. take the news, for instance......

[bonito]

130. Your absolutely right

More hope and positive energy can change the course of things for the better. Right on!:) Peace.

[zulchzulu]

128. Nawlins listens to the spirits...you might be on to something

I lived there for a bit and there were many times when I felt like I had lived there before in a past life. The town oozes with mystery.

If we all project our thoughts, we could make Katrina suddenly change and go due East. Time is running out...get that gris gris bag and start chanting!

[Bluerthanblue]

129. i'm in- can't sleep, restless as hell even way up here in NH.

focusing on positive outcomes can't hurt-
candles lit- open heart.

[kentuck]

131. I believe all actions begin with thoughts...

If enough people couple their thoughts on a similar idea or picture, then there is an energy that can be created for good or evil. All thoughts begin with words. For example, if you imagine yourself standing on a beach barefooted and you look down at the warm white sand between your toes and you see a starfish. You wonder what does it mean? You bend over to pick it up with your right hand and hold it up to the sun. You can see the shadow of a star on the sand behind you. Then you pitch the starfish out into the ocean, put on your shades and start walking back to your car.

Thoughts create pictures and bear their own energy. They are karmic in their own way because while you were reading the words above, your were not thinking of anything else. Karma was set free. Thank you.

[dweller]

134. ...

it's all energy.


and your post was a beautiful expression of it.
Our choice is to contract, or expand with that energy.

Maintain the intention to expand.

peace.
dp

[kentuck]

138. Thanks...

Peace to all...

[steve2470]

132. God bless everyone touched by Katrina nt

[Lifelong Protester]

133. I'm in

Positive energy and all,

Peace out, everyone.

[shadowknows69]

135. I'm with you

Concentrating on Katrina losing energy.

[rumpel]

136. I may be late, but will join in anyway...

[Raksha]

141. Katrina has weakened to a Category 4 before landfall.

So why not believe it's working? Peace to everyone here.

[Pooka Fey]

143. Marie Laveau

La reine de la Nouvelle-Orléans - gardez notre trésor, notre gemme - le vieux quartier, de cette catastrophe horrible.