Conservatism/Social Darwinism should DIE because of Katrina

[steve2470]

Evidence ? If you don't have means to get out of NOLA, then you're SOL. How humane, how American. Sounds more like pre-Revolutionary France to me.

[havocmom]

1. Maybe we could talk some rich DEMS into chartering busses to take folks

north out of harms way... I hear there is room in the White House right now :evilgrin:

[undergroundpanther]

2. Lovers of social darwinism

Are lovers of greed and domination.They see us as expendable stupid duped losers,to use and abuse..what reason do these sociopaths have to fear us we buy thier idealogies,we do sa we are told,and we look out for #1 first.

Any people with cars or better yet SUV's and a heart,intactWhy not cram as many people as you can fit into your vehicle,and go.I don't care if they look icky, weird, injured or homeless..if you want to save people than DO IT if you have means and don't be "picky" because that too is social darwinism..

[DWolper]

3. What are you suggesting?

What do you suggest? The people who can't get out now are victims of what? Would it be better for everyone to be poor? Is that what you are suggesting? Anger that if everyone can't get out - nobody should? Politicizing this and finding a way to promote far-left ideology in this is despicable.

[steve2470]

4. you missed the point

Liberalism = get everyone out that you can

conservatism = it's your tough luck, go talk to your church

social darwinism = too fucking bad

[DWolper]

5. And the solution? n/t

[steve2470]

6. A more liberal state and national government that actually cares

more about people than "it's your tough luck, cut the budgets to the bone". I guess you're NOT a liberal. you are not going to like this board at all. Good luck.

[DWolper]

8. What?

I've been a member since Jun 16th 2004. I just don't post a lot. MY POINT is that you are acting like liberals have been busy doing something about this. They have not. To make this a Democratic/Republican, Liberal/Conservative issue is just ridiculous. And yes, I am a liberal. I just hate the quack political theories that suggest that people that can't get out shows some kind of lack of compassion on the part of ANYONE. Life is what it is. There are not always villains to point a finger at.

[steve2470]

10. I give up. Good luck on here. I'm NOT taking the blame for this.

I don't fucking bitch about taxes and the Federal government. The people who are always bitching about taxes and the government and
BUSH should bear the blame for this. Good bye.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. I think those were the solutions.

:shrug:

[wli]

9. the reason this is happening is because it's already been politicized

Punishing the blue cities that voted for Kerry is the reason there are no effective evacuation measures.

[DWolper]

11. Oh, please.

Christ almighty. Do you think New Orleans has only been vulnerable to this since the elections of 2000 and 2004? Plans like this are put into place long before the storm is moving in. This is crackpottery at its worst. Shame on you! These people are facing catastrophe and you're already blaming it on the 2000 and 2004 elections? What are some of you thinking???? Some of the minds here see a political cause and a conspiracy for everything!

[wli]

13. there is politically-biased regional defunding going on

Surely, New Orleans was under threat from this. My hypothesis is that this process is bearing fruit in the form of unpreparedness contributing to loss of life in this catastrophe.

It is very certainly not the only factor involved. New Orleans has been a disaster waiting to happen for decades, and false alarms have jaded many residents (possibly even including local leadership) into disregarding warnings.

[MadeinOhio]

17. Probably but the majority of Louisiana and Alabama are......

Completely faux conservative sites. Places where fake conservatives drum up their plans and what have you all the time. They are not strongholds. They're being punished and so is the national guard, who shouldn't be in Iraq and should be here preventing the disaster.

Those families and their lives will never forget, and be forever changed by this. Its the fake conserves of the heartland, not the liberals and aethiests who are to blame for gutting the program's funding. Though I believe all ultimately share in the responsibility, because our nation has politicized everything and thus asked for a crumbling. If we can't stand strong together, and get rid of the "faux" conservatives, or restore good conservatives and liberals to all positions of government we are not going to get out of the hole.

[rbjensen]

14. My brother in law worked for HUD as an administrator

about 20 years back. At that time he told me there were stockpiles of thousands of knock-down caskets ready for "the big one." At that time it was thought it would be in Florida. Good forecasting kept Andrew from being a killer (of humans, at least). But N.O.'s geography makes this just the worst possible case scenario.

It's tempting to think this fits in with some sort of political whatever, but I just don't see how it could.

[tx_dem41]

16. I agree the politicization of this situation...one that threatens my ..

family still living in my hometown, is truly despicable.

[Selatius]

12. The most humane thing would have been to help EVERYBODY

Not just those who can pay. It's inhumane otherwise. Nobody wants to be left alone to face the storm, but people will be. They couldn't pay, so the message to them is "too fucking bad."

[Warren DeMontague]

15. So-called "Social Darwinism" doesn't have jack shit to do with Darwin.

Can we please leave him out of this, particularly at a time when SCIENCE (including the kind of knowledge which has brought us stuff like, um, weather satellites) is under unprecedented levels of attack in this country?

I understand your point; human disasters point up the need for a communal safety net. So, in my opinion, does the fact that we have 45 million people in this country with no Health Insurance, which is a human disaster in and of itself..

But when people flap endlessly about "Social Darwinism", the same folks who think that calling something a scientific "theory" means that it's highly questionable will just take the use of Darwin's name as further evidence of the need for Jeebus in everybody's life.

And you won't end up with one single more dollar for emergency assistance, either.

[tx_dem41]

18. You do realize that this evacuation was probably the smoothest

I've witnessed in 36 years of living in New Orleans and/or having family living there. What was done in basically 18-24 hours, getting 1,000,000 people out on basically two roads, was amazing.