Anyone speak Uzbek?

[EnfantTerrible]

I'm looking for a pronunciation of "Yangiyul". It's a city in Uzbekistan...

If any one knows how to pronounce this and could give me a phonetic or IPA spelling I will be very grateful.

[JimmyJazz]

1. Do you have the cyrillic spelling of the town?

[EnfantTerrible]

2. These are alternate spellings

Iangiiul, or Jangijul

does that help?

[JimmyJazz]

3. Crud, It doesn't. I'm sorry.

I know that in Russian and other languages using the cyrllic alphabet, only one vowel is emphasized, but I'm a bit rusty and am not familiar with the name of the town. I thought that if I saw the name in cryllic, I might be able to help. I'm sorry. :(

[EnfantTerrible]

4. Thanks any way...

I've spent hours googling and no luck. Thanks for responding any way...

[Igel]

8. ßíãèþë

(I have no idea how the DU server will handle Cyrillic).

The standard spelling is Yangiyul. I think that allows as a pronunciation, and that this is the standard pronunciation, but I suspect that it's the legacy of an intra-Cyrillic transliteration problem. Uzbek cyrillic had the usual u (y), and one with the same kind of stroke that Belorusian has over its non-syllabic u (and Russian over it's non-syllabic i). Russian cyrillic would probably have dropped the additional stroke above the <y> and Americans would only have run into the name through Russian. Sort of like Tchaikovsky got to us through French. I'd be surprised if the <g> were uvular. The language is converting to Latin script, presumably this year. Oh, joy.

My guess for how an Uzbek speaker would say it, in IPA: ; I can't find evidence for the /o/ being tense, and if I was going to err, I think I might lower it a bit from its cardinal value. I'd make the stress slight, and at best slightly palatalize the /g/. I'm not going to guess on the velarization of the /l/. My little "Izuchaem uzbekskii iazyk" book is nearly useless, and my copy of the Iazyki mira volume devoted to Turkic languages is ... well, somewhere.

[EnfantTerrible]

10. Thank you igil

This will be a big help.

[Igel]

Dang.

I just looked, and realized that I posted stuff in square
brackets (the IPA) and DU removed it.  

Fooey.  [jangi'jul], [jangi'jol].  Let's see if *that* posted.

I didn't ponder whether the -ng- could be an engma.  I
wouldn't say it that way.

[Igel]

13. dupe

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[joemurphy]

5. Uzbek is a Turkic language. The transliteration looks pretty

straight-forward. I'd say it's Yan(like Jan in Dutch)- gi (pronounced like the Hindu butter "ghee" with a "hard g" only not aspirated)- yul (as in English "yule"). The stress would be on the last syllable yan-gi-yul'.

Hope that helps. Most Turkic languages are closely affiliated and sometimes are mutually comprehensible. I'm pretty sure I'm close to being correct.

[JimmyJazz]

6. Ack. I assume all "stans" are former Soviet Republics who all

use the cryllic alphabet. My mistake. Thanks for the correction. :)

[EnfantTerrible]

11. This was my guess, too...

Thanks for the help.

[joemurphy]

12. It may still be written in Cyrillic characters, but it's still a Turkic

language. Some of the former SSRs changed to Latin characters and some didn't. I can't remember which did which. But Kazakh, Uzbek, Turkmen, and Kirghiz are all Turkic languages. They are totally unlike Russian, a Slavic language, that their Cyrillic scripts were borrowed from.

[myrmenki]

7. Cyrillic spelling

have a look here: http://www.goldenpages.uz/more.php?OrgID=39829&RubID=15

I'm sorry I can't paste the spelling directly, DU's encoding doesn't allow cyrillic.

I know russian, therefore I can tell you how I'd pronounce it, according to the cyr. spelling:

The vowels as if they were spanish, italian etc. The first syllable sounds like the engl. word "young", the g is velar, the i like a short ee, which makes the second syllable sound like engl. "ghee", the yu like the engl. word "you", and the l like the french, italian etc. (nonvelar) l.

I can't give any IPA, again because of the encoding.

I don't know which syllable the stress lies on.

[EnfantTerrible]

9. Thanks

and welcome to DU. :hi:

[Igel]

14. You can paste cyrillic, but it shows up as gibberish.

Until you set the encoding (under View, Encoding ... my Cyrillic post required "Cyrillic (Windows)" to become visible. That's using the loathsome IE6.