Fox host just said, "We're PRAYING for you."

[Sabriel]

Argh. What is this, the Fox 700 Club?

[goodboy]

1. Well if praying really worked, the hurricane wouldn't have come at all!

[KittyWampus]

115. Humans Can't Stop Nature But We CAN Mitigate It's Impact

[Erika]

2. Praying for whom?

The poor who were stuck in the city? They might give their funds versus their prayers.

[Systematic Chaos]

3. Somebody e-mail that bobblehead and tell him/her to stick it.

Having Fox pray for you is like having 50 witch doctors put a hex on you. :puke:

[spuddonna]

4. Hey, if I was sitting in NO right now...

I wouldn't care if they were sacrificing goats for me, if it worked...

[Elidor]

6. Amen

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. So, what does it mean if this thing is really bad?

[LSdemocrat]

7. Well, people are free to pray if they so choose

[high density]

8. What's wrong with that?

I think most people in this country pray from time to time.

[Maple]

10. Perhaps you should stop doing so

It appears to be having the opposite effect from what you want.

[Bluebear]

18. mmmf

:)

[Tallison]

19. And I thought

at least it couldn't hurt. Didn't realize it was so powerful after all.

[Maple]

25. LOL

well you appear to be having a whole series of disasters.

So something's wrong here. :D

[high density]

32. That's very interesting since I haven't been praying about anything lately

:)

[FreedomAngel82]

37. God isn't your fairy godfather

Too many times people think God is like a fairy godfather which isn't the case. Plus, in Genesis God promised to never flood the earth again like the flood. God is like your earth father. You can ask him for things and to help and to tell your concerns etc. but you don't always get your way.

[Stephanie]

12. exactly - there's nothing wrong with that

we're all praying tonight, even if it's just to Lady Luck.

[T Town Jake]

23. Nothing, but the OP apparently thinks...

...it shows some level of "sophistication" to snicker/feign outrage about such a expression of support from one anchor at Faux toward whoever he/she was talking to at that particular second.

Not our best moment, as threads go. But the freeps would be proud...

[Richard Steele]

9. So, F*X really thinks SATAN might be convinced to help?

Hey, he got them their own network, so maybe it's worth a shot!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[VADem11]

11. Nothing wrong about that

Many people pray and it's meant in a good way. I'd rather have prayers for me than nothing. Just saying "we're praying for you" doesn't make it the 700 club.

[mitchum]

13. It doesn't make anything happen either

[Prism]

16. Maybe, maybe not

But choosing one of the worst natural disasters in American history as an opportune moment to run through the streets screaming "There is no God!" is a bit . . . tactless.

At best.

[mitchum]

26. How about "Maybe there is a god who works in mysterious and...

incredibly fucked up ways?"
Better?

I find a talking head mouthing empty platitudes a bit...tactless

[Prism]

33. How about

. . . not piling unwarranted antagonism onto an already awful situation.

People pray. Even Fox news anchors, I imagine. In a situation this bad, there is little cause to question the sincerity of the anchor's sentiment. It's one shared by plenty of people, even those who aren't particularly religious.

[mitchum]

34. "Better one pair of helping hands than one thousand pair...

of praying hands" (or something like that)

[QC]

39. So what are your hands doing to help?

Encouraging pointless, divisive, juvenile flamewars on message boards doesn't count, by the way.

[mitchum]

40. Damn this material world!

But you're right; I shouldn't be posting on this thread. I have to get up early in order to teach my learning disabled students. And you?

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[mitchum]

48. Well, you first asked me my plans...

and I graciously told you how I was going to spend my day. It seems a bit churlish of you to respond with such a fucking obscenity laden reply when I asked the same of you. I hope that you are bit more compassionate to others when they comply with a request for information, but it doesn't seem likely, given the example here. However, I must say that I am flattered, although a little concerned, that you care enough to trouble yourself with my "record here" Because I don't.

I honestly hope that your relatives remain safe.

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[Systematic Chaos]

17. In my mind it depends on the source.

Having a person or institution I believe to be benevolent and honest saying they're going to actively pray for someone or somewhere is fine. But having a bunch of lying pigs like Fox say it just reeks of insincerity and opportunism. It's just an absolute turn off to me, and that's why I said what I did in my post above.

[earth mom]

42. I'm with ya, GG.

Faux doesn't give a rats ass about the people in New Orleans and that smarmy idiot only cares how much money he's going to make when oil goes through the roof this week. :puke:

I find it amazing that anyone here on DU would defend any of the bastards on Faux!!!

C'mon now people! NO ONE on this thread was dissing praying or dissing the people of N.O.! :eyes:

[tom_paine]

14. Fox "News" is fucked up in many ways...this isn't one of them

n/t

[QC]

15. Sorry, but there are bigger problems in the world right now

than your exquisitely tender sensibilities. It's very likely that thousands are going to die tonight and a million or more will be left homeless. Then there's the matter of the largest port in the U.S. being destroyed, an oil shock, etc.

In light of that, your offense at some teevee talking head's religious sentiments pales into nonexistence.

Besides, a thread nearly identical to this one, down to the very phrasing you used, was locked earlier tonight.

[RandomKoolzip]

29. Right on....

I'm an atheist, and taking offense at this seems like having a case of out-of-whack priorities. I'd rather help my buddies in Nawlins than bitch about petty religious biases.

[ScreamingMeemie]

112. Thank you for saying that. Some of this gets ridiculous.

:hi:

[RevCheesehead]

20. Well, a lot of us ARE praying.

If that doesn't include you, then so be it.

[hlthe2b]

21. well, their prayers are unlikely to be sincere, but if I were in NOLA

I'd sure as hell hope people were praying for me (them)...

Let's don't take too cynical a stand on faith, ok?

[Pirate Smile]

22. They aren't alone on this one.

[madrchsod]

24. there are no atheists in foxholes

[Maple]

27. Actually there have been thousands of them

Many graves at Arlington have the atheist symbol on them.

[T Town Jake]

35. LOL...where? Arlington, Canada?...

...show us one, via link or posted picture please. Thanks.

[Brightmore]

43. Here's the Atheist symbol at Arlington

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/authorized_emblems.html

I don't know if there is any actual headstones with that symbol though.

[Maple]

46. You're unaware of your own traditions??

Canada doesn't have an 'Arlington'

You do. And the symbol for an atheist buried there is quite distinctive.

How come a Canadian has to tell you this??

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/authorized_emblems.html

And actually if you checked out atheism online you'd know how many atheist Americans died 'defending the US.'

There are well over a billion atheists in the world...more atheists than RC or Muslims in fact.

Atheists are just more honest about it, and don't pretend to kill 'in Jesus' name'

[T Town Jake]

50. And laugh out loud some more, and more, and more...

..."my" traditions? Call up quartermaster Montgomery Meigs if you want to discuss "tradition": your "link," as a "link," is pretty much superfluous & silly.

Let's talk facts, as we find them on the ground, so to speak, at Arlington: post me a link, or a pic right into this thread, of a tombstone at Arlington National Cemetery adorned with the "atheist" symbol on a headstone. Just one will suffice, mind you...

In the meantime, do quit trying to change the subject.

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[T Town Jake]

56. And the King of Diamonds...

...snorts in his hat at twilight.

That's about how relevant your latest "reply" - as a reply to anything stated by me in this thread - has to do with anything.

What, pray tell (if you'll pardon the expression), does your most recent posted offering address in the context of this "debate," exactly? Anything?

[Maple]

57. It's an answer

to the nonsense about 'no atheists in foxholes'

http://www.ffrf.org/foxholes/

But if you want to go on believing antique crud, be my guest.

[T Town Jake]

67. Oh, by all means, be MY guest...

...to discard the "antique crud" of juvenile simpering when you're bested in debate.

The old IQ meter flat-lining this morning, eh?

As has been shown, you can't handle sticking to the matter at hand; are constantly attempting to move the goalposts of the discussion when facts you are unable to refute are presented; and frequently resort to ad hominen when all else fails.

It's obvious to everyone else, but you seem to be the last one to grasp a clue.

[Maple]

70. LOL yer cute...but you have no case

Go pray.

Maybe it'll improve your technique.

It certainly needs help. :rofl:

[T Town Jake]

73. Ah, but I've not argued any "case"....

....other than pointing out your jejune gibberish - and that "technique" has obviously twisted your Maple Leaf's into a shrieking, retreating, tizzy...

See, I can do it TOO!!!!:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Now, ain't that special?....

[Maple]

77. LOL No you certainly haven't

Only Jesus can walk on water. Your attempt to walk on air had the inevitable result.

Splat!

[T Town Jake]

79. ROFLMAO....is that the best retort you can come up with?

...alrighty then...goodnight.

:rofl:

[Maple]

80. It's all that was needed

Nighty night.

[T Town Jake]

88. LOL. I'm sure you THINK it was...

...but I agree: enough. It gets too easy to intellectually rout at a certain point...

Nite-nite.

On edit: "rout." As in what's happened here, debate wise.

[Maple]

89. You said goodnight already

and couldn't even stick to that apparently.

Yes indeed, you were routed.

Maybe after you've had some sleep you'll do better.

[T Town Jake]

94. Ah, obsession...

...gotta love the smarmy persistence of the intellectually defeated & humiliated. Pluck, I think they call it. Good on 'ya.

[Maple]

95. You need warm milk or what?

Or are you still nursing a bruised ego?

Maybe scotch in your milk will help.

[T Town Jake]

98. LOL...Crown Royal would be better...

...Pathetic. Gotta...get...the...last...word...

Keep cranking on that stem. You look silly, but by all means continue.

[Maple]

99. LOLOL I'll be up for 4 more hours working

If you think you can hang in here that long to play tit for tat, feel free.

Otherwise, grab your chance and hit the hay. :7

[T Town Jake]

100. BTW: have you managed to find...

...that pic or link to a headstone in Arlington National Cemetery carved with that "traditional" atheist header yet? As I stated, just one would do...

Any progress there?

[Maple]

102. LOL you're too bleary eyed

to have even read the links I already gave you.

It's your cemetary...you look em up...tomorrow.

You made the assertion...or at least defended it...so the onus is on you to prove it.

I already showed you your own monument to atheists.

Not my problem you want to burn heretics at the stake. I'm sure they have a drug somewhere to help you forget your Torquemada tendencies.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Wow, I guess you proved your point.

Everybody who's ever died a horrible, violent death in some shithole in the middle of a blood-soaked war, somwhere, died believing in a loving, caring creator.


How silly of me not to see the brilliant self-evidence of your thesis.

[T Town Jake]

71. "How silly of me"....

...since your post addressed nothing I've actually ever stated, discussed, or typed, I whole-heartedly agree: your post is pretty fucking silly.

Glad we see eye-to-eye on the matter.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. Mmmm Hmmm.

Okay, then, you're arguing minutae around a sub-point when you don't hold an opinion about the original one upthread. Even better.

So sorry you have nothing better to do with yourself. 'Nite.

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[charlie]

107. Here's one

http://utahatheistnews.home.att.net/aif.html

[really annoyed]

58. Gee, defensive much?

Why do you care so much about finding an atheist symbol in a graveyard? Do you have a problem with the fact that non-theists have served in the military? People from all walks of life have proudly served our country, and I salute them all. :patriot:

[mitchum]

30. The cliches are taking up all of the available room

[really annoyed]

55. Gee, give into stereotypes much?

:eyes:

What I find interesting is that these FOX newscasters haven't felt much "prayer" for any of the black residents of NO they have interviewed.... I know, I've been watching FAUX news with my mother all day...

[Warren DeMontague]

61. That's a really fucking offensive thing to say.

How about, "I don't care what you think you know, when the chips are down, Pal, you're going to renounce your religion".. How would you like them apples?

And--- it's not true.

But beyond that, I wonder how many devout believers in "God" get through the carnage and horror of war and come out wondering just how "He" can allow such suffering.

[jonnyblitz]

108. BULLSHIT i was one !!

you might want to check this site out before you start babbling about stuff you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!! damn that PISSES ME OFF

You’ve heard the unfair claim there are no Atheists in foxholes!

But we know that isn’t true … Hundreds of thousands, even millions of Atheists and other nonbelievers have served in our country’s military to protect our freedom and defend the principles of our Constitution. Isn’t it time that our leaders, media and policy-makers recognized the contributions of these Atheists in Foxholes?

more..

http://www.atheistfoxholes.org/

[charlie]

110. Sometimes I wonder

If I came out of a firefight with the notion that my lucky Fruit of the Looms saved me, that if I ever took them off, I'd be struck by lightning, hit by a bus, felled by a heart attack... would the "no atheists in foxholes" types think I was nuts? Or would they regard my irrationality with approval? I have, after all, a newfound appreciation of and deference to a Higher Power.

[jonnyblitz]

111. hell...it's a free country..worship your underwear if you wish...

just don't claim that all of us in the military were/are religious...

[Brightmore]

28. It's just a saying

Plus, there's nothing wrong with praying for someone.

[TahitiNut]

31. No. He said, "We're preying on you."

:shrug:

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[mitchum]

38. Wecome to DU, babyk!

:) Very well said, but when has religion ever had anything to do with logic?

[jsamuel]

44. prayer is like exerting one's own will on the movable reality

Welcome to DU!

[titoresque]

76. true

but some people say "prayer" instead of saying ....."I'm sending positive energy." Personally I do not pray, because I agree with the message in your post, but if I'm talking to someone who will better associate the concept with the word Prayer, I might say pray. Anyhow, we can not really know what the Fox guy meant, it may have been one of those "hi,how are you?" kind of remarks, but there are a lot of people who ARE genuine in their sentiments and are praying, or meditating or chanting or singing, or visualizing.....whatever IT is.....they are collectively trying to send positive energy. I see nothing wrong in doing that. Besides, if nothing else it diverts attention away from negative thought which is always good on a personal level....if not more.

[BurningDog]

45. Whats wrong with praying?

Why is praying for someone considered backwards and stupid while there is a 150 reply thread on the same page discussing mass conscience for New Orleans, which seems to be "think happy thoughts for them"?

[Raksha]

65. "Mass conscience" or consciousness is the same as praying.

But some people are uncomfortable with "theistic" language.

[titoresque]

82. sort of

I don't know.....when I visualize to create a positive experience I try to see the outcome as if it's already happened...for instance I see the storm as being calmed, I see a reporter giving hopeful news, I see happy people because their homes weren't lost afterall etc.....I think often times when religious people pray, they are asking God to help make things better and they bargain, as if the higher power doesnt already know. So, I don't know if its the same thing, because Im not sure that the person "praying" is in the same frame of mind. But regardless I do believe that both prayer and "sending positive energy" can be good for the individual. And we're all here to learn anyhow, so what I think could be a lot of hokeyness.....who knows really. We should all do what we can, in the way that feels best to us.

Peace

[Maple]

47. It's like 'have a nice day'

and twice as annoying.

[underthedome]

haha bingo. nm

nm

[kenny blankenship]

52. Let's see if it works!

[Maple]

53. Has it ever?

The most common prayer in the world is...'please Lord, just this once, don't let 1+1 make 2.'

[titoresque]

83. do you ever wonder

when you say things like this that karma will help you understand?
We're here to learn...don't you think? maybe you haven't learned about being connected to something greater than yourself.

[Maple]

85. No, my karma is fine thanks

I've been through that stage.

About 30 years ago in fact.

Don't worry, you'll get over it too.

[titoresque]

86. I hope not

thanks

[Maple]

87. Well you will

and you'll be even happier then.

Just think...you'll have learned something in your current life.

[titoresque]

92. ok so you've reached

your divine being.....sad.

[Maple]

93. Nope...wasn't even looking

for one.

Are they usually available by phone?

[titoresque]

96. goodnight maple

maybe we can resume this conversation another day.
Have a good night.

[Maple]

97. Night. Blessed be.

[jonnyblitz]

109. no shit.

:eyes:

[Raksha]

59. We're praying here too. The whole country is praying.

And Katrina has weakened to a Category 4. So I guess we're doing something right...or at least not doing any harm.

[Maple]

60. I doubt the whole country is

A few maybe.

But the difference between a cat 5 and a max 4 is negllgible.

And a sad answer to 'prayer.'

[really annoyed]

63. Thanks Maple

Just what I was thinking. But if prayer makes people feel better, go for it. I believe in a higher power and have said a prayer. But mainly, I did it to make myself feel better. At least I can be honest about my intentions.

[Maple]

68. Well I know people hate to feel helpless

and if praying makes them feel better, I have no problem with it.

It certainly won't do any harm.

I just get annoyed when they try to fob it off on everyone, as the only right way to think.

That way lies the thought police, and stakes and matches.

[really annoyed]

72. I agree

"I just get annoyed when they try to fob it off on everyone, as the only right way to think."


And I've seen that attitude in a few threads tonight, which makes me angry. The skeptics were getting a beating in the "mass conscious" thread.

I hate to say this, but national tragedy brings out national hatred toward the non-theists. And it's sad, because we should all work together to help the victims.... And after this hurricane hits, the people of NO and the surrounding areas are going to need a lot of tangible support.

[really annoyed]

62. Whatever Helps, Absolutely

I don't think the drop has anything to do with prayer. I believe in a higher power and have said a prayer. However, I think the drop has more to do with conditions in the Gulf. But, like MANY people have said here tonight, prayer does not hurt.

[titoresque]

84. YES! and thanks you

everyone! :grouphug:

[Warren DeMontague]

66. I don't give a shit what they say on FOX News

Crap-hole network. If that was the most offensive thing they did, they'd be having a great week.

[phrenzy]

69. What's The Difference

Between "Hoping" and "Praying" anyway? I think many use the words interchangeably. Like, even though I'm not a Christian I still say "Jesus Christ!" or "Thank God!" - I don't feel the need to kick myself for doing this.

That said, yes the idea of a Fox news anchor 'preying' for anything is utterly ridiculous. But, this if TV! These people are plastic phonies from the beginning and will say ANYTHING.

[really annoyed]

74. I think what you SHOULD have said...

Who wants FAUX news praying for them? Who knows what they are praying for these people....

I can only remember the callous comments after the attacks in London....

I've had the absolute pleasure :sarcasm: of watching FAUX with my mother all day......

[RevCheesehead]

78. Now that's something I can agree on.

Don't attack prayer - attack the preyer. (not a typo) :)

[Pushed To The Left]

90. I've got no problem with that

What's wrong with the host showing concern for the victims of the hurricane? I've done some praying tonight too, and I'm not even that religious.

[Maple]

91. What if he'd said 'Inshallah'?

[Pushed To The Left]

101. I would feel the same way about the anchor's concern

regardless of his or her religion.

[Maple]

103. Actually you'd have had a fit

You just didn't notice his assumption that everyone was Christian, and also wanted to be 'prayed for'

[Pushed To The Left]

104. No, I wouldn't have

You just didn't notice that I'm not prejudiced towards people of ANY religion.

[ScreamingMeemie]

113. Which happened this morning from a newscaster on Channel 7 here

in Detroit...I was not aghast and horrified. Honestly,I think we take this a bit too far. Folks, people practice religion...they may even bless you when you sneeze...for shame.

[opihimoimoi]

105. Fox is PREYING ALRIGHT...on us with misinformation and BS to steal

our minds....they wish to SNATCH our MINDS. Brain wash us.

[MadeinOhio]

106. I have no doubt about the Faux Fox conservatives reporters.....

I just wonder who the Fox Reporters are really praying for, and if indeed praying for themselves over their transgressions I wonder why they criticize the citizens of New Orleans.....

New Orleans knows whats up. There is alot of bad apples out there but, there's enough informed people to also know this storm is a severe thrashing and one of many coming to their quiet world because of the sins of those on Fox.

[smbolisnch]

114. So what??? MSNBC said the same thing yesterday.

How is that bothering you? Some people get torqued up over the silliest things. :eyes:

[jonnyblitz]

116. especially if the people getting torqued are religious also

apparently they think God only listens to liberals. He must be a Democrat you know. :shrug:

[Telly Savalas]

117. You people are fucked up.

Hundreds of thousands on the gulf coast are in imminent danger, so let's have a flame war in their honor.

[dogday]

118. Thanks for saying it nt

[Moderator]

119. Locking....

This thread has become inflammatory and
the conversation has run its course.