Boston Globe ARticles on Rove and on new Catholic Inquisition

[TayTay]

The first is an editorial on KKKarl and how awful he is.

What I noted, in particular, was this questioning of what Rove did in 2004 and how the Globe wrote about it:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/edit...

In 2004, a direct link was established between the Bush campaign -- of which Rove was ''the architect," in Bush's words -- and the libels against John Kerry from the swift boat veterans. With such a history, is it possible that Rove encouraged the Catholic bishops who questioned Kerry's fitness to take Communion?

This is fascinating. Juxtapose that with the following story about a Rethug group that is pretty much a front group for the GOP and how they are trying to make the Catholic University structure in the USA tow the line in a straight forward Rethug way:

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/20...

In an issue of Crisis magazine, which focuses on Catholic issues, Reilly wrote an article stating that professors and staff at 10 top Catholic colleges gave disproportionately to the presidential campaign of Senator John F. Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat. The January 2005 article said personnel at Boston College donated $17,000 to Kerry, who is Catholic and supports abortion rights, but gave nothing to President Bush, who is Methodist and opposes abortion rights.

A fourth Boston College professor, the Rev. James Keenan, is targeted in a separate fund-raising letter, which alludes to ''heretics and dissidents" teaching at Catholic colleges and accuses him of testifying against a Massachusetts initiative that would define marriage as the union of a man and a woman.

In an e-mail interview, Keenan said he ''explicitly upheld church teachings on chastity and on social justice, and I never supported gay marriage." He said he testified against a proposal that would have taken away social benefits from same-sex partners.


Please read the whole article. These people are attempting, even in 'liberal Massachusetts' to deny dissent and get people who aren't in line with the extremist Catholic views expressed by this society fired. This is a classic Rethug move. It will get worse. (Hey, the last time we had so many references to heretics in MA, 19 people got hanged in 1692.) And if this type of thing can happen in Boston, then it can happen even more so in other Catholic Universities.

[LeftyElvis]

1. Religious Universites

should be declared unconstitutional; they receive tax dollars through the back-door. We don't need our young people being educated on any religious premise. Just take a look at what religion causes in this country and others.

[blm]

3. Bumpersticker in NC last week said GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE - RELIGIONS DO

I'm pretty sure the driver was a repub, so maybe he was attacking Islam, even though his sticker could easily apply to Pat Robertson style Christianity.

[LeftyElvis]

5. Cool

very funny.

[blm]

2. I always believed GOP operatives were pushing Catholic bishops into taking

that position. I first saw the issue pop up around 2002, and it became a fullblown media story by 2004.

[TayTay]

4. It is a full blown political strategy intended to defuse libs

The REthugs do this sort of a thing in a pattern. First they create commission with honorable sounding names, then they get more 'Catholic than the pope' and then they try to burrow in and destroy or alter institutions from within. The Rethugs are trying to permanently re-aligned Cathlic voters with the Rethugs based on issued that they brought up and defined.

And who is fighting back?

[fedupinBushcountry]

6. "The Architect"

Watch this program that was aired earlier this year on PBS. This says it all. Did Kerry win ? You bet your bottom dollar he did, until Karl Rove, decided to fix the facts around the vote. Just watch it and I know many will come out with the same conclusion I did.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/view/


P.S. TayTay the links will not bring me to the articles.

[Pirate Smile]

7. A kick and a recommend.

[Nothing Without Hope]

8. This is broader. See this thread on how Opus Dei is involved in S American

coups. They are rightwing extremists, but they are powerful and very, very well-connected.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2032756
Thread title: Ron Jacobs; "Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim To Speak For Jesus"

And remember - Ratzinger was the papal candidate backed by Opus Dei, and Opus Dei is a special "prelature" of the pope. Predictably, as pope Ratzinger is supporting the RW elements in Venezuela against Hugo Chavez;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9073346

Pope backs Venezuela Church after row with Chavez

Updated: 10:10 a.m. ET Aug. 25, 2005
VATICAN CITY - By Philip Pullella
Pope Benedict on Thursday defended the role of the Roman Catholic Church in Venezuela, which has been embroiled in a public war of words with President Hugo Chavez over how the country should be run.

The Pope made his comments in an address accepting the credentials of Venezuela's new ambassador to the Vatican at a meeting at the papal summer residence south of Rome.

(snip)

Last month, Chavez called Cardinal Rosario Castillo a coup-mongering "bandit" who had "the devil inside him" after the Church leader said Chavez's left-wing rule was a dictatorship.

(snip)

The bishops {a Venezuelan bishops' statement in July} criticised an increasing "warlike discourse and militarisation" in Venezuela -- an apparent reference to Chavez's moves to arm the nation against what he says is the threat of a U.S. attack. Washington denies any threat.

[blm]

9. Actually, TFP (very RW Catholic group) was originally funded by RevMoon

in his anticommunist front group days.

Just remember all those catholic bishops and priests who were murdered regularly in South and Central America in the 70s and 80s. They were replaced most of the time with RW priests loyal only to their cause, and aligned with the far right Christian groups.

Sad that such a small, evil group of Catholics are now in control of the entire church now, thanks to Benedict the Arnold, the new fascist pope. He's even meeting with the schism group to reconcile. They HATED Pope John Paul and always called him a communist, they're THAT far to the right.

[tom_paine]

10. Oh my yes, the BushPope is Opus Dei

So, I believe is the next Imperial High Judge Roberts.

Bad times ahead for humanity. If the Third Prophesy of Fatima was indeed "Satan shall find his way into the highest places of the Church," then I am a believer.

Now we have a BushPope, and Opus Dei will soon have TWO (THREE if you count sock-puppet Slappy Thomas) votes opn the Imperial Court of Amerika.

Nighty-night, Liberty & the Age of Reason.

[blm]

12. I wonder if this is what Bush voters REALLY signed up for?

.

[tom_paine]

13. Most of them are as clueless as the 1930s Germans of where they are

being led.

Some, of course, WELCOME the change, but even now, I still believe that the American People, would recoil from this if they could see.

Which is why I think that those of us raised in Free America will have to grow old and /or pass away before the really bad shit happens.

But we'll see, at this point any timeline is possible, including the one in which we are all wrong about the long-term implications.

[Nothing Without Hope]

11. The RW of the Catholic church is aligned in many ways with the neocons

Even Christopher Htchens gets it:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2123780
(snip)

The Roman Catholic Church claims the right to legislate on morals for all its members and to excommunicate them if they don't conform. The church is also a foreign state, which has diplomatic relations with Washington. In the very recent past, this church and this state gave asylum to Cardinal Bernard Law, who should have been indicted for his role in the systematic rape and torture of thousands of American children. (Not that child abuse is condemned in the Ten Commandments, any more than slavery or genocide or rape.) More recently still, the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI (who will always be Ratzinger to me) has ruled that Catholic politicians who endorse the right to abortion should be denied the sacraments: no light matter for believers of the sincerity that Judge Roberts and his wife are said to exhibit. And just last month, one of Ratzinger's closest allies, Cardinal Schonborn of Vienna, wrote an essay in which he announced that evolution was "ideology, not science."

(snip)