Larry Johnson on Buchanan and Press

[CatWoman]

now

[Cush]

1. well well

you beat me...of course I didn't know ;-)

[CatWoman]

3. hahahahahahaha

[CatWoman]

4. hahahahahahaha

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Cool..and thanks for that thread last night

[CatWoman]

5. anytime!!!

:hi:

:loveya:

[Cush]

6. Larry: "She's undercover"

The bottom line is she's undercover, she doesn't reveal who she works for

[displacedtexan]

7. buchanan is hurting the shrub!

ouch!
clarifying the ramifications of outing an operative.

[CatWoman]

9. he knows the name of the person who spoke to Novacula

and he works in the Old Executive Office Bldg.

That's Cheney's office location!!!

[skip fox]

29. Scooter Libby!!!

Oh, I hope so . . .

I've been pushing Cheney and Libby for a day, thinking the purpose is not a Rovian revenge or warning, but a cool and collected, if rushed, way to discredit Wilson.

"His wife, who works for the CIA, sent him"--implies that he put her up to it so he could pursue his own agenda.

Now that sounds like Cheney or his minions, not W. & his.

[HFishbine]

38. Agreed

Remember the climate around the time of Novacula's article. Cheney was trying to deny that his office had reqested the CIA check out the Niger story. Then he was trying to deny that he ever heard of Joe Wilson or read his report.

The leak was to discredit Wilson so that Cheney could maintain deniablity.

[ewagner]

45. ding, ding, ding

We have a winner!

[salin]

47. Bingo on the timing and context. Makes perfect sense.

Now what 'scandal' has been associated with the new likely players (Cheney, Libby, etc.) was Libby anywhere near Iran Contra or the BCCI stuff?

[HFishbine]

59. More Context (in case we've forgotten)

Vice President's Role

Attempts at coverup could easily be seen as comical, were the issue not so serious. Highly revealing were Ari Fleisher's remarks early last week, which set the tone for what followed. When asked about the forgery, he noted tellingly -- as if drawing on well memorized talking points -- that the Vice President was not guilty of anything. The disingenuousness was capped on Friday, when George Tenet did his awkward best to absolve the Vice President from responsibility.

To those of us who experienced Watergate these comments had an eerie ring. That affair and others since have proven that coverup can assume proportions overshadowing the crime itself. All the more reason to take early action to get the truth up and out.

There is just too much evidence that Ambassador Wilson was sent to Niger at the behest of Vice President Cheney's office, and that Wilson's findings were duly reported not only to that office but to others as well.

Equally important, it was Cheney who launched (in a major speech on August 26, 2002) the concerted campaign to persuade Congress and the American people that Saddam Hussein was about to get his hands on nuclear weapons -- a campaign that mushroomed, literally, in early October with you and your senior advisers raising the specter of a "mushroom cloud" being the first "smoking gun" we might observe."

http://www.clw.org/iraqintelligence/vips_cheney.html

See? It was Cheney who had the greatest reason to discredit Wilson: "No, no no, Bob. The VP didn't request that Wilson go to Niger. Do you want to know who's idea it was? It was his wife's. Why would she have any influence? Well, she's CIA, don't you know, Bob."

[Octafish]

67. Blowing up Cheney and his fleet is strategically superior move.

To destroy the Smirk and Sneer beast, cut off the smart head. Bush could get impeached, but nobody would notice anything. SS, DD. Clobbering Sneering Dick Cheenie would be different. That’s the computer room, so to speak.

With the battle fleet gone, the enemy would be checkmated, unable to move out of port. No matter. In 2004 the Little Turd gets kicked back to Crawford, all nice and public-like. Anchors aweigh, until we meet at the televised hearings.

Smirk’s the beard and Sneer's the brain behind the brain behind the throne, but still in front of an evil cabal he only services. To the truly Fascistic and Satanic Secret Elite they serve, they are only pawns — ballast that can be tossed over the side.

[Cush]

8. more..this is big!

The CIA became the scapegoat for the Iraq fiasco, even though we tried to warn them there was no real threat

Backs Wilson up on his Frogmarch comment

Says he knows who talked to Novak!!!!

THe leak is connected to past scandals!

[madmax]

10. What's the office of EOB???

[Cush]

11. Executive Office Branch???

[Fuzz]

12. Executive Office Building

Wow.

[mandyky]

20. Scooter Libby

although Larry would not confirm it. LOL

[CatWoman]

13. That's what they call the Old Executive Office Bldg

where Cheney's office is located.

It's right next door to the White House.

[kentuck]

15. Executive Office Building..

Why?

[displacedtexan]

14. the office of the vice president!

probably libby.

[Fuzz]

17. It's Scooter!

Wow again.

[kentuck]

19. Big news!

ruh-roh....

[Cush]

16. Larry: They should talk to Scooter Libby

hahahahahaha

Still, hope they can somehow get Rove

[madmax]

18. HOLY MOLEY!!!!!!!

Could it be CHENEY????????????

[displacedtexan]

23. probably, but

scooter is the type that ends up doing 18 months in danbury minimum security.

[proud patriot]

21. Great

he was the guy on the news hour right ?

[CatWoman]

22. Yep -- that's him

:hi: PP

[kentuck]

24. He said he was connected to another "scandal" ??

Watergate? Cheney was Chief of Staff for Ford..

[displacedtexan]

25. cheney was a nixon white house aide

knows how to fix the shredder when it jams.

[madmax]

26. Everytime I try to get away from this

they keep pulllling me back in!! :evilgrin: Need to check if B&P post transcripts. I missed the first half :(

[alcuno]

27. Was Scooter Libby ever involved in some past misconduct?

Obviously the finger is pointing at him and Larry said that there was some sort of past misconduct. As I said yesterday, this is what happens when Cheney and Libby spend all that time at CIA Headquarters.

[leftchick]

58. I don't know about scooter...

and what adult male goes by the name of scooter? Doesn't his boss dickey cheney have a direct connection to the Nixon White House scandal called Watergate? I am foggy on this but I believe he may have been an aide then....

[Rose Siding]

62. Rove was connected to misconduct

He was fired from Bush I's campaign for leaking something to Novak, wasn't he?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

28. So this will go down like Watergate..first Cheney resigns then Bush

is forced to...so who do ya'll think he'll pick for VP...Jebbie would be too obvious.

[Desperadoe]

30. Another scandal???

Poindexter???????????????????

Where's his office?

[Cush]

31. Not Rove?

Still, he talked about his wife was fair game...so he knew and did nothing....

[alcuno]

35. Rove was probably not the Novak source.

But his pawprints are still all over this.

[Cush]

32. THey decalred war on the CIA

Some in the Admin view the CIA as the enemy?

[CatWoman]

33. hahahaha -- when asked did he admire *

Johnson: I started off admiring him.

[Cush]

34. More

There are least three people in involved, all connected to the White House Complex.

Larry: I'm a republican, gave money to Bush campaign


But he also said that they can say "We didn't know she was undercover", thus saving them from going to jail

[CatWoman]

37. author of "Inside Bush's Brain" on now

and he says no fucking way Rove didn't have a hand in this.

James Moore is the author's name.

[Fridays Child]

64. Cush, he may be wrong about whether they go to jail.

Ignorance of the law isn't usually considered an adequate defense. And I have a hard time believing that it would work for high level political operatives accused of treasonous acts.

I think Johnson is well-qualified to speak on just about every topic he's addressed, but I hope he's wrong on the question of jail.

[Eloriel]

68. Hell, *I* knew it was wrong to reveal her name when it came out

AND that it put a lot of people in danger, including Plame herself. And I'm not anywhere near running a whole govt with a spy agency under my control. And I don't even read spy novels.

There is no innocence defense possible on this one.

Eloriel

[Cush]

36. "Bush's Brain" author is on!!!!

"If Karl Rove isn't involved, i'll eat the paperback copy of my book!"

[CatWoman]

40. It's clear that Novakula is working for Rove

my head is spinning ...........

[madmax]

44. Mine too, Cat

There's only so much information I can absord. The shit is hitting the fan fast and furious!

[kentuck]

42. If Rove knew, Dubya knew....

also. Just how deep is this story??

[Cush]

39. Novak is working for Rove!

and I've believed it for years

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Oh, man

this is looking very baaaaaad for Novak AND KKKarl! :7

[proud patriot]

41. Here a link to a locked discussion on this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=449705&mesg_id=449705

[Unknown Known]

43. Rove takes his orders from Cheney

Cheney & Libby made unprecedented frequent visits to CIA/Langley right before the war putting pressure on them to skew the intelligence.

Libby defended Marc Rich for years before Clinton pardoned him. In an interview in Jan. Clinton remarked to Katie Couric that if the Rich pardoned was as bad as the WH made it out to be, why weren't they investigating it - the entire thing was dropped off the radar screen.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Cohen

"thou shalt not criticize the Bush administration." Hahahaha! Hit that nail on the head.

Fund....doesn't have a clue! He doesn't even know Plame was an operative! He's such a fool!

[Snellius]

48. What about Mary Matalin?

Didn't she also work for Cheney in the EOB?

[CatWoman]

51. that's right, Sneillius

she most certainly did.

[Snellius]

54. And didn't she leave?

Why did she leave? And wasn't she in charge of PR and press relations? And who put her picture in Drudge's rogue's gallery of suspects yesterday? Who called Drudge? No one had pointed a finger at her at that point? Is she the culprit? Or is she the fall guy?

[CatWoman]

49. that #@#$$%$#^$%^%&^% John Fund

licking the WH's boots.

As usual.

[Cush]

52. when he licks their boots, he tastes $$$

while we would taste sh*t :evilgrin:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

53. So they get rid of a guy with a bad ticker as VP

or his chief of staff? I'd say this could
be a way for them to cut wood that was
already almost dead for 2004 anyway.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

55. Here's an interesting article that links quite a few names with Libby...

The spies who pushed for war
Thursday July 17, 2003
The Guardian
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,999669,00.html>

...snip....

"The president's most trusted adviser, Mr Cheney, was at the shadow network's sharp end. He made several trips to the CIA in Langley, Virginia, to demand a more "forward-leaning" interpretation of the threat posed by Saddam. When he was not there to make his influence felt, his chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was. Such hands-on involvement in the processing of intelligence data was unprecedented for a vice-president in recent times, and it put pressure on CIA officials to come up with the appropriate results."

...snip...

"The OSP absorbed this heady brew of raw intelligence, rumour and plain disinformation and made it a "product", a prodigious stream of reports with a guaranteed readership in the White House. The primary customers were Mr Cheney, Mr Libby and their closest ideological ally on the national security council, Stephen Hadley, Condoleezza Rice's deputy.

In turn, they leaked some of the claims to the press, and used others as a stick with which to beat the CIA and the state department analysts, demanding they investigate the OSP leads."

...and from the same article, the OSP is as follows:

"The agency, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP), was set up by the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA information and operated under the patronage of hardline conservatives in the top rungs of the administration, the Pentagon and at the White House, including Vice-President Dick Cheney.

The ideologically driven network functioned like a shadow government, much of it off the official payroll and beyond congressional oversight. But it proved powerful enough to prevail in a struggle with the State Department and the CIA by establishing a justification for war."

[0007]

56. Who believes junior is quarantined

from this crime?

[TacticalPeek]

57. Didn't Libby and Feith have to hold a quickie with the press

a while back over some flap? Maybe it was a flap-tip of a scandal ice berg the press didn't notice? No surprise there.

And:

snip
In Washington, Plame was assigned to the CIA's Non-Proliferation Center, an organization of analysts, technical experts and former field operatives who work on detecting and, if possible, preventing foreign proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Vice President Cheney and his chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, met with officials at the Non-Proliferation Center before the invasion of Iraq to discuss reports that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium in Africa. A U.S. official with knowledge of those meetings said Plame did not attend. But the former U.S. intelligence official said she was involved in preparing materials for those meetings.
snip

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-30-couple_x.htm

[grasswire]

60. AND...........

Today at the WH gaggle, McClellan shut down the meeting as soon as a reporter asked if he had spoken with Libby about the leak!!

(jaws music here)

[Robin Hood]

61. If this doesn't go all the way to the top,

Then we will see a Bush/Bush ticket for 2004. What you think of that strategery?

[NJCher]

63. I think that's the fastest way to throw two crooks out on the street!

Cher

[VermontDem2004]

65. The Chiefs Running Back?

:shrug:

[Terwilliger]

66. Larry Johnson was the Angry Repub from PBS last night

very pissed

:loveya: