RAWStory Developing: "Buchanan suggests impeachment: Soon... "

[sabra]

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Buchanan_suggests_Bush_imp_0829.html

Buchanan suggests Bush impeachment
John Byrne

Pat Buchanan, a leading conservative pundit and former presidential adviser, quietly suggested House Republicans mull impeaching President Bush -- though not for the liberals' cause celebre, Iraq -- but rather for what he sees as Bush's 'criminal' failure to stem the tide of illegal immigrants, RAW STORY has discovered.

"We are being invaded," the reactionary Republican declared in his column Monday, "and the president of the United States is not doing his duty to protect the states against that invasion."

"Some courageous Republican, to get the attention of this White House, should drop into the hopper a bill of impeachment," he added, "charging Bush with a conscious refusal to uphold his oath and defend the states of the Union against 'invasion.'"

Strikingly, he credits Democrats for 'awakening' to the issue.

"Not only have Richardson and Napolitano awakened — they are on the front lines — so, too, has Hillary Clinton, who has spoken out against illegal immigration with a forthrightness that makes Bush sound like a talking head for La Raza."

[musette_sf]

1. So the true conservatives

have finally decided it's time to jettison the NeoCon cabal?

[benburch]

2. The Right is Eating Itself.

Lets chum the waters!!! Maybe we can get these sharks into a feeding frenzy!!!

[mattclearing]

3. Buchanan has always hated the Iraq War.

Good for him for speaking up. I hope all the old school conservatives and right-wing crazies beat each other to death. :D

[calico1]

6. He hates the war and he hates the immigration

problem along the southwest border.

[mattclearing]

Wasn't he always on about "Demography is Destiny"

Saying that this country is "doomed" to become pluralistic and culturally homogeneous?

Funny, because I thought that was America's chief strength.

[StayOutTheBushes]

39. Perhaps you should read the article before commenting.

[mattclearing]

45. It was just edited.

The original topic didn't have the article, just the headline which was still awaiting a story to link.

Perhaps you should read the post before it's edited.

[babylonsister]

4. I'm picking up my jaw off the floor...! nt

[Arkansas Democrat]

10. I heard about

this on another board this morning but can't find the link! Can someone help? This is GREAT! All the rats are starting to jump ship.

[seemslikeadream]

5. On The Mclaughlin Group August 5, Pat Buchanan said

The Israeli spy scandel was going to metastasize, seriously.

[leftchick]

18. cool!

:popcorn:

hiya SLaD! :hi:

[MadeinOhio]

29. This is what you call the lesser of two evils, in my view.....

Some extremist job like Pat or Bay Buchanon is better for US policy than a whole wing of extremist nutjobs like John Bolton and PNAC, who for the most part are not even loyal to the USA and are embroiled in spy scandals.

When you have outside countries involved in creating policy, you got trouble, and not of the pretty kind. When it is only the USA and lawmakers involved you can correct it or stave it off, but when it involves spying and other nations thats an impossibility.

I can bet this started before Able Danger, IMO it started with the department of state and interior.

[leftchick]

52. I am sure it started under poopy bush

Welcome to DU MadeinOhio!

:toast:

[sattahipdeep]

48. Will fritzy get the top doggy?

:HI:

[seemslikeadream]

51. Fritzy

:hug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. Screw suggesting! DEMAND IT!

:grr:

[berni_mccoy]

8. In January I predicted Impeachment proceedings against the admin by Sept.

Looks like my vision was true.

(though I was called a looney back then on DU) :-)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

22. There's a wide array of difference between...

Impeachment proceedings and comments by one man that is not an official of the GOP. It'll take a LOT more than Pat Buchanon to get your wish fulfilled.

[MadeinOhio]

9. For once I agree with the termed Pat Buchanon.......

And his sister Bay Buchanon, impeachment is the only possible way out of this mess.

And then forced imprisonment. To do anything else would make the clinton fiasco seem like the riviera and show the USA is based on lawlessness......

I also strongly disagree with any defense of Karl Rove....he deserves federal prison. Not for life, like true traitors deserve...But Rove should be imprisoned no matter what, contrary to what Bay Buchanon referred to as "senseless attacks"...
:toast:

[charlie]

11. Sister

Notice the resemblance?

[MadeinOhio]

14. Thanks for that correction, I always thought he was married to the other..

He married a smart woman but has a fairly partisan sister.

[the_spectator]

59. Have they ever been seen in the same room together? /nt

[WillyT]

13. Bay Is His Sister !!!

:hi:

[NYCGirl]

15. Bay Buchanan is Pat's SISTER, not his wife.

We like Pat Buchanan here???!!! We're that desperate for anti-Bush rhetoric?

:wow:

[KoKo]

16. Just so you know...Bay his his sister.

:-)

[merbex]

28. I heard Krugman at the Kennedy Library say a version of this

that these people need to be brought to justice ; it is not enough to simply remove them

Obviously I'm paraphrasing but that was the gist of what he said

[MadeinOhio]

37. Case in point to add to what Krugman was saying....

Karl Rove violated the protections act of a national security law, 794c in conjunction with the Spy Scandal.

He senselessly blew the cover of a CIA operation and all its people, who were tracking weapons of mass destruction and any threats to United States security.

That's a crime far beyond politics, friend. In doing so, he permanently shredded the constitution. In this act the line of treason was crossed without care. Whether intentional or non-intentional, Karl Rove and his friend Scooter Libby permanently desecrated the security of the United States.

It is also my firm belief he was paid to do it and because of Cheney's involvement kept quiet.

[Cleita]

12. I never thought it would be a nutjob like Buchanan who

would finally admit that the conservatives have to do something if we are to survive.

[Stephanie]

20. Buchanan has been against the neo-cons for a long time

He's been very outspoken against the neo-cons and see right through them. He may be wrong about everything else but he got that right.

[Cleita]

23. I noticed he's broken from the herd in the past years.

I guess I don't trust him because he's openly anti-semitic and wrote a book about Nazi Germany saying the holocaust didn't happen like the history books said, that it wasn't all that bad. Well, I don't like him in any case, but right now I would accept help from any quarter it comes from.

[melody]

41. Pat's a wingnut in many respects, but...

At least he's an actual conservative, motivated by patriotism. He has stood against the Reptilicans as often as he's been with them.

[enid602]

17. Buchanan

I don't know if this means that Buchanan is FOR impeachment; he's frequently (and recently) denounced the efforts of anti-Nixon forces during watergate.

[WillyT]

OK... I See The Headline... Is There A Story Associated With It ???

I know you said 'developing', are there any more details so far??? Any good guesses?

:shrug:

[sniffa]

34. here

pat wants impeachment, not for iraq, but because of iLLegaL immigration. :eyes:

Pat Buchanan, a leading conservative pundit and former presidential adviser, quietly suggested House Republicans mull impeaching President Bush -- though not for the liberals' cause celebre, Iraq -- but rather for what he sees as Bush's 'criminal' failure to stem the tide of illegal immigrants, RAW STORY has discovered.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Buchanan_suggests_Bush_imp_0829.html

[WillyT]

43. Got It... Thanks !!!

:hi:

[Skidmore]

19. The next time he's asked on a program to practice punditry

and someone critizes * and the junta, Pat will make sure his lips are glued to the designated tushy. He does not want to be totally excluded from the in crowd.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

32. but there are 2 very distinct groups with diff. agendas.

The necons currently destroying our nation
The Conservatives, of which Pat is a part, are totally different

In fact, you would be surprised on how much you might agree with a true conservative (I know, I debate one when I visit my parents every time)

Little or no budget defecits
No wars without total justification and in self-defense (Never any proactive wars, or those based on religious ideas of Rapture)
Conservative approaches to changing existing law
Conserservative approaches to changing social security protections
Conservative approaches to maintaining constitutional rights. (You should hear my conservative dad rail on the Patriot Act)

while he and I agree to disagree, a lot of what the true conservative says is little different than what many of us say here.

Conservatives hate Neocons as much as we hate what some Dems in Congress are doing hand in glove with the neocons. Lumping them together is like comparing my car to my farts. Both involve costly gas.

[Skidmore]

40. I know, and ole Pat has trouble deciding where his

loyalties lie sometimes, depending on the spotlight that is being shined on him.

[Eloriel]

21. Well, as a confirmed isolationist, he's been agasint the war always

Now that a big chunk of the electorate is ALSO against the war, it would be safe for someone like him to step forward and "make a name for himself," so to speak by further damaging Bush. He has had Presidential aspirations in the past; I don't know if he's totally given them up.

I'll be real interested to see this story.

[Catherine Vincent]

24. Well when his sister Bay Buchanan was praising Cindy Sheehan

and dogging Bush the other day, I knew something was up with that clan.

[Branjor]

25. I'm all for impeachment.....

But wouldn't ** stil be pRes? As I recall, Clinton was impeached but remained president until the end of his term.

[AllyCat]

26. You know, I thought the guy was a nut during the primaries

but I'm starting to think he would have been better than what we have right now. This man has been truly critical of this administration and of Bush in particular.

Can't wait to read this story to see what it's all about.

[Richardo]

27. Has a RawStory story EVER panned out?

I always see these delicious headlines then......nothing.

[Malikshah]

30. Uh Jeff Gannon, Guckert for one..

:)

[lala_rawraw]

53. kidding?

[Richardo]

54. No.

Admittedly I don't keep track, but I think I see more misses than hits.

[lala_rawraw]

55. Then please continue moving right along...

Past Raw Story, because to make a comment that off when you "don't keep track" is just idiotic.

Feel free to list the misses.

[Ian David]

31. Pat's Column in Human Events: Yes, Buchanan calls for impeachment

But it's over illegal immigration...

Immigration & Foreign Affairs
The Illegal Immigration Emergency: Would a Bill of Impeachment Wake-Up President Bush?

by Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted Aug 26, 2005

On Aug. 12, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency "due to a chaotic situation involving illegal alien smuggling and illegal drug shipments" on his southern border. Three days later, Gov. Janet Napolitano followed suit in Arizona.

Reason: the crisis on the border. The ally-ally-in-free immigration policy of George Bush and Vicente Fox, beloved of corporate America, has created a hell on our southern border.

Those Southwestern states are being inundated by illegal aliens trashing ranches, killing cattle, committing crimes and eating up tax dollars. The traffic in narcotics and human beings from Mexico is a national scandal and a human rights disgrace.

What is true of New Mexico and Arizona is true of our nation, which is now home to an estimated 10 million to 15 million aliens who have broken our laws and broken into our country. It is a mark of the cowardice of our leaders that they are so terrified of being called "bigots" they tolerate this criminality. The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both national parties.

More:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=8749

[Maple]

33. Here's the story

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Buchanan_suggests_Bush_imp_0829.html

[sabra]

35. story is up

kick

[WillyT]

36. Is THIS What We're Talkin About ???

<snip>

Twice, Bush has taken an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Article IV, Section 4 of that Constitution reads, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion.”

Well, we are being invaded, and the president of the United States is not doing his duty to protect the states against that invasion.

Some courageous Republican, to get the attention of this White House, should drop into the hopper a bill of impeachment, charging Bush with a conscious refusal to uphold his oath and defend the states of the Union against “invasion.”

It may be the only way left to get his attention, before the border vanishes and our beloved country dissolves into MexAmerica, what T.R. called a “polyglot boarding house for the world.”

<snip>

Link: http://www.tracypress.com/voice/2005-08-29-buchanan.php

'Some courageous Republican...' Oh Pat... You kidder you, LOL!!!

OTOH - Would definitely get MY attention.

:shrug:

[WillyT]

38. Wow You Guys... THAT Was Quick !!!

:yourock:

[Brightmore]

42. Buchanan is a bigot

He hates Hispanics so much that he wants Bush (whom he voted for in 2004) impeached. He sounds like a neo-Nazi.

And the only reason he is anti-war, is because he thinks the war is one for Israel and Jews.

[WillyT]

44. Yeah... But A Bigot Calling For The Impeachment Of Shrub...

can't be all bad, LOL!!!

And welcome to DU Brightmore. Glad ta have you aboard!

:bounce::hi::bounce:

[Brightmore]

46. Thanks for the welcome WillyT

The thing that pisses me off about Buchanan (besides the bigotry, anti-Semitism) is that he voted for Bush in 2004. I don't get why he did that if he hates Bush so much. And throughout the entire election year he demonized Kerry, called him a traitor and strongly supported the Swift Boaters.

[MadeinOhio]

50. Yes and yes......

But as it unlikely as it may seem, the movement can use those like Buchanon to spearhead impeachment movements.

Who better to motivate spineless congress members especially the GOP, to file articles of impeachment? :shrug:

And either procedure gets attention in the public spotlight. Bigoted as he may be, sometimes changes in political climate create unlikely and unusual alliances.

He does not know about our constitution, but he knows when the US is no longer served and when treason has been committed.

And the only reason he is anti-war, is because he thinks the war is one for Israel and Jews.

This whole statement is dismissive of the larger problem. There is some truth to Buchanon's logic. Everything related to the spy scandal has to do with rogue israelis in our country, the United States. True jews or israelis do not even support this war, but evidence suggests that the neo-conservatives who are formally referred to as zionist do support everything PNAC stands for and those like Paul Wolfowitz wrote the policy.

I don't agree that going against them is anti-semitic, just like going against the Bush/Cheney regime has never been anti-american. I do agree that the evidence has been spun into an anti-semite campaign and Pat and his cronies use it to further their hatred of races of people.

But I do not think we can focus on that issue, when the issue is with many from Israel's party of neoconservatives being the architects of this war. If that part is scrutinized, an impeachment bill would pass and stand good chance.

[rbjensen]

47. Impeachment talk scares the hell out of me

because when you corner a rattle snake he strikes. Clinton was too mellow to think coup if he were convicted, but these guys? I know there is a lot of talk of coup on here (with some thinking it's already happened) but if you get a bunch of idiots (and or loyal troops) who think the president was wrongly convicted, then they feel obligated to make it "right." And then the jackboots might really hit the street. I know some of y'all have the stomach for real revolution but I gotta tell you I just don't. I see too much blood and crap on the street in my work.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

62. close - very close

This snake does other things to confuse, change the focus etc.

For now, his people are grateful for a hurricane. That won't last. THEN we need to watch out.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

49. Buchanan has never been too crazy about Dumbya and the neocons.

He was always harping about them in the past - especially when Iraq was the main topic of conversation.

[DanCa]

56. There is so much to impeach chimpy over

Maybe we should take a page from pat's book and find issues which consservatives agree with and than add them to our own.

[stevietheman]

57. It would seem to me that almost everyone would agree on...

"criminal incompetence". It seems to be a common thread between the complaints of both paleoconservatives and progressives.

[Beam Me Up]

60. Incompetence is no excuse for treason, as treason is never accidental.

[stevietheman]

61. You missed my point. I'm saying this is what can be agreed upon...

across the spectrum, not what one side wants to pursue on top of that.

[wiley]

58. Pick a reason

Just impeach him and his posse