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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:42 PM
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Scuffling With Freepers at the Clark/Davis Event
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 06:07 PM by DoveTurnedHawk
So I took a long lunch and trekked over to Hollywood for the big Clark/Davis "No on Recall" event. I got there a bit early, and there was already a healthy crowd of a few hundred. There was less signage than I thought there would be (this becomes relevant in a bit), but everyone seemed to be in good spirits.

After chatting with some of the Clark folks I knew, I made my way toward the front as the firefighters, EMTs and nurses who were being honored (the theme was "Real Action Heroes") started to take the stage. Then I noticed a couple of Freepers had tipped their hands early by holding up pro-recall/anti-Davis signs, and they had pretty good positioning toward the front.

Seeing that no one seemed to notice or care, I went up to one of the coordinators, and when I told him we should get more signs up front to block, he told me they didn't have any more. So I went and took matters into my own hands and urged some of the people holding signs toward the back to let a few of the empty-handed ones up front hold them instead. We got better coverage, and completely obscured the woman with the "Oust Davis" sign.

There was still one moron with a "Tower of Corruption" sign, however, and he was not only toward the front, he was also big, loud, obnoxious and intimidating. He had effectively cowed a couple of women in front of him, and he was getting good exposure with his sign. So I borrowed a neighbor's Draft Clark sign and made my way to the front.

I proceeded to have a blast playing one-man blocker of this guy's sign. Luckily, I was able to get slightly ahead of him, closer to the stage, and -- ahem -- my "stick" was longer (as it turns out, he had no "stick" at all, and his sign was very droopy...OK, I have to cut the innuendo here), so I was able to box him out very well. He tried to push further forward, but the good pro-Clark, anti-recall people were unyielding.

So then this guy starts trying to get PHYSICAL and push forward, and he's also being a clumsy oaf and knocking people with his sign. Then he started to jostle ME. I told him to back the fuck off, and when he told ME to back off instead and continued pushing, I told him calmly that he was in my space, that he needed to stop touching me and pushing me, and that if he didn't cut that shit out right away, I was a lawyer who wouldn't hesitate to sue his ass for battery.

He subsided, but continued trying to jockey for position, which was pretty hard for him, all things considered. Eventually, he gave up in that position, and tried to move to the side, but again, the good pro-Clark, anti-recall people blocked his way! Finally he got so frustrated he just shouted, "All right, back off, I'm moving back!"

The asshole did stick around and made a loud, heckling nuisance of himself, but at least he didn't get prime real estate with his stupid sign. :-)

Anyway, a guy named Pulaski (I think he's a councilman) came on, and gave a few comments, before passing it off to L.A. Mayor James Hahn. Mayor Hahn gave a few more comments, before introducing General Wesley Clark, the main attraction, for me at least.

Clark gave a rousing speech, he has a GREAT voice and stage presence. He again gave his "I would have been one lonely Republican, or a happy Democrat, and I'm proud to be a Democrat speech." He also spoke very eloquently against the recall, and emphasized how undemocratic it was to try to undo a valid election, and that the recall statute was designed for true malfeasance, not just an effort to subvert the democratic system for partisan ends.

He then raised what I felt was a very thoughtful point, namely that recalling someone for no reason does nothing except encourage timid leadership and timid leaders, not the bold leadership LIKE DAVIS that is required to lead a progressive state like California.

He also spoke highly of Davis, and reminded everyone that Davis, unlike Bush, actually served in Vietnam. He also SLAMMED Bush a few more times on his carrier stunt and daring to wear the uniform, and also on the economy. He hit the job losses hard, and Bush's tax plan hard, and the crowd was cheering.

He wrapped things up with urging a "No on Recall, Si on Bustamante" vote and spoke VERY highly of Davis, and the two men genuinely seemed to like each other (and as anyone who is familiar with Davis can tell you, seeing Davis be warm about ANYONE can be a bit jarring).

Davis gave a great speech, basically keying on his accomplishments, echoing much of what General Clark had said, and gave kudos to the assembled firefighters, EMTs and nurses (Clark, Hahn and Pulaski had all done this as well). The crowd received him very well, and there was mainstream press ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Finally, Davis briefly walked the barricade line and shook hands, before departing. I shook his hand and told him, "We're going to beat this!" and he nodded and smiled. General Clark stayed MUCH LONGER and spent more time with the people (my impression was that there were significantly more Clark people and signs than anti-recall people and signs), shaking everyone's hand and exchanging a few brief words. I thanked General Clark for running, told him I was a donor and a volunteer, and that we would all walk through fire for him to beat Bush. He was very gracious, and thanked me as well.

All in all, a fantastic day!

DTH

PS: I also got a sweet, official "Clark '04 - New American Patriotism" button, it's actually very large and well done. The word on the street is that official bumper stickers are arriving either this Friday or next Friday. Hope it's this Friday!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:46 PM
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1. Thanks for being there. Davis, Clark, you, and all the other
supporters of our endangered American democracy should be applauded and lauded! :toast:
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:46 PM
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2. Thanks!
Can you post this story on www.wesleyclarkweblog.com?
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:05 PM
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13. Sure, I'll Send It Around
Good idea, thanks!

DTH
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:46 PM
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3. You rock DTH!
Way to fight the good fight! :toast:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:49 PM
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4. Hey you with the big firm long thick stick!
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 05:49 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
That's way cool!

on edit: Forgot throbbing :D
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:06 PM
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14. LOL!
You tease, you! :D

DTH
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:32 PM
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23. do you have pictures?
I mean, you know, as a strong member...uh, of the crowd.

oh my, I think I need to go take a shower to..cool off, yeah, that's it.

btw, it's too bad those females he was trying to intimidate didn't stand their ground. it's really fun to make a guy like that look like a jerk just by refusing to let him get away with that kind of stuff.

but then again, I fight back, I found out, when I was mugged one time. it was nice to know, but a bad way to find out. :)
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:10 PM
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26. No pics but I can draw you one
DTH is cute and studly :D
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:34 PM
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27. Do You SEE Why I Love This Woman?!?
NSMA is cute and cuddly too! :D

DTH
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:35 PM
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28. They Were a Little Old Lady and a Young Teenager
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 07:35 PM by DoveTurnedHawk
And he was a KING JERK!

DTH
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monkeyboy Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:50 PM
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5. You shoulda punched that bastard
Just kidding...sort of...
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:09 PM
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15. You Know, I Was Wondering
This guy was being loud and obnoxious, and trying to shout over Clark and Davis at times. Isn't there some rule where you have to let the official speakers be heard? There was a decent police presence, but none of them tried to intervene.

I have no problems with this guy showing up and protesting, or even shouting the occasional slogan, but trying to drown out the guy on the stage just seems wrong.

DTH
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:50 PM
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6. Great report, DTH! Thanks for sharing;.
:yourock:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:51 PM
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7. great report... and good work on the freepers!
:thumbsup:
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starscape Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:52 PM
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8. Great post!! thanks
Not only was your "battle for position" excellent, but your description here makes me feel like I was there myself.

I think it reflects so badly on repubs that most of the rudest, meanest, and let's face it, stupidest people I have met have been pubs. Not ALL of them are that bad, but in one way or another, they are almost always obnoxious. I'm glad you ruined it for one of them. You just know that he was pissed off all day about his little sign not being on TV.

;)
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:09 PM
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16. LOL!
I hope I did ruin his day. God, was he obnoxious!

DTH
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Red_Viking Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:53 PM
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9. Kudos!
Sounds like a terrific experience. Thank goodness no one yielded to Mr Personality. Right on!

I'm a Dean supporter, but I do really like some things I've read about Clark. One thing that strikes me about all our candidates, in such blatant contrast to the chimp, is their INCREDIBLY HIGH INTELLIGENCE! These folks are A-1 brainiacs! Well, OK, maybe Holy Joe could use some help in the judgment department. But you get the idea.

In Texas, where politically it's like a freak show without the tent, we're all watching the recall debacle closely. My boyfriend's brother and his family live in San Jose (I LOVE IT THERE) and they're horrified at the spectacle this became. We're watching closely, and hoping for the best. Thanks for doing your part!

Are you really an attorney? At 37, I've decided to change careers and make a run for law school. I take the LSAT this Saturday and I'm already nauseous about it. Any pointers?

Rock on!

:dem:

RV
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:13 PM
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17. Ahh, the LSAT
I have a few basic pieces of advice that you're probably already aware of.

1) Move forward, move forward, move forward. Don't ever dally too long on any one question, it's critical to get to the end of the test with all of the answers you DO know and then work backwards on the ones you're not sure of. On your first pass, though, make sure you clearly mark your test booklet with the possible correct answers (and eliminate the obviously wrong answers) so that when you come back to it, you don't have to waste time on the wrong answers.

2) Logic games are much easier when you sketch them out. If it's a "people seated around the table" problem, actually draw the table out, and label the seats with the data. Etc. etc.

3) Eliminating obviously wrong answers is very important. When you're down to two, as will happen a LOT, your first gut reaction is often correct.

4) Take LOTS of practice exams, under CONTROLLED CONDITIONS. Those helped me more than anything.

GOOD LUCK!

DTH
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Red_Viking Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:24 PM
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20. Great advice
Thanks so much! The SO and I are taking it together, and have been practicing. You know, the LSAT. :-)

I have a degree in English but seem to have more problems with the freaking reading comprehension section. Sigh! The logic diagramming came much easier to me, which was a shock.

I continue practicing and studying...come on, Saturday...!

:dem:

RV
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:36 PM
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29. For the Reading Comp
I typically went slow and digested the passage, then answered all of the related questions rather rapidly.

Again, good luck to you both!

DTH
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:54 PM
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10. Great report, thanks DTH
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:55 PM
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11. Thanks for the great report, DTH!
Do you think Clark's presence will have helped Davis any????

:hi:

:kick:

DemEx
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:14 PM
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18. God, I Hope So!
I am really nervous about this.

DTH
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:58 PM
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12. Good Job!
Fight the right!
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:21 PM
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19. Is there a copy of the speechs some where yet?
That was an awesome post. :thumbsup: :yourock:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:24 PM
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21. Fantastic report!
I feel like I spent the day in Ca.! It's great to have people like you who are willing to fight for what's right! Thank You for THAT and the report!
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:28 PM
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22. Good job amigo
Did you get to meet Clark? That would have been awesome.
I did not know Davis had served in Vietnam.
Funny how the Right Wingers always attack veterans--and how most of the veterans are Dems. They obviously see through the pseudo-patriotic pillow talk of right wing chickenhawks.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:37 PM
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30. Shook His Hand and Exchanged a Few Words
He has a FIRM handshake!

He is truly inspirational.

And yes, the Thugs are all just a bunch of chickenhawks, with a few notable exceptions like McCain!

DTH
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:01 PM
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24. Fun report!
I'm still laughing about how organizing and persistence beats the freepers every time. I'm glad you were there. Thanks.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:38 PM
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31. Any Time
It was a blast!

DTH
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:09 PM
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25. That's too cool. Way ta GO!
:D
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:50 PM
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32. Thanks to All for Their Supportive Words
I had a great time doing it, and a great time writing about it!

Down with Freepers! :D

DTH
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:55 PM
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33. Good- we DEMS need to be AGRESSIVE!!!
No more noodle-back DEMS!!!!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:59 PM
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34. glad he got in the vietnam service
not supporting clark, but really need all the help we can get. and i really thought davis should have played up his service more as he did in other elections, especially the first one. it was brought up when kerry came, but that's not enough. glad clark got in the vietnam thing and not only did davis serve unlike bush, but unlike arnold also.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:11 PM
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35. right on! n/t
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