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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:13 PM
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Can a president pardon someone who has a murder conviction?
Are there limits to a pardon?
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:15 PM
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morally and politically yes, but i dint think there are limits
constitutionally prescribed
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:15 PM
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1. Only if the person in question...
...has been convicted of murder in a federal court. He has no pardon power when it comes to those convicted in state courts.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:21 PM
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2. In those cases, he has to twist the guv's arm (if the guv is GOP) nt
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:21 PM
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3. Thank you T Town Jake!
I was wondering if bu$h could release someone like Henry Lee Lucas or Manson during his lame duck pardon period.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:23 PM
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4. There are no limits to presidential pardon
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 04:25 PM by Walt Starr
George W. bush could appear on stage with Karl Rove. Karl admits to the world on national television, "I outted Plame and I did so even knowing I was about to harm national security."

Karl walks. No arrest. No trial. No conviction. No jail time or potential of a death penalty. He just plain walks away.
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jhawk_tim Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:27 PM
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6. Constitutional but highly unlikely
Let's not infer that Bush is going to do that or is capable of doing that.

Yes, you are correct that the above scenario could happen, but does anyone really think it would?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:30 PM
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7. A more likely scenario
Is one Paul Begala wrote about where Karl gets indicted and Bush pardons:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begala/i-predict-bush-will-pard_b_5266.html

I Predict: Bush Will Pardon Rove

Arianna Huffington, Lawrence O'Donnell and others on this post have done a terrific job of staying on top of every new fact in the Plame-CIA leak case. I, however, want to go beyond the facts and engage in a little conjecture:

George W. Bush will pardon Karl Rove.

I know I'm getting WAY ahead of the facts, but this thing has the smell of a serious legal problem for the Bush Administration.

From the outside, Mr. Fitzgerald does not look like a prosecutor who sees wrongdoing but believes it falls short of criminal conduct, like, say, Joe DiGenova did when he investigated allegations that the Bush 41 Administration rummaged Bill Clinton's passport file.

<snip>
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rsdsharp Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:25 PM
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5. Article II section 2 of the Constitution
the President "shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States except in Cases of Impeachment.
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