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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:53 PM
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After 2 Weeks: Clarks Candidacy off to a great start
He has handled the political backlash and novice errors of campaigning well, and is among the frontrunners nationally and leading or tied in New York, California, and Wisconson. The sad thing is that Clark didnt have the time to iron out the wrinkles when nobody was paying attention like the other candidates, but im still amazed at how well it has been for him overall. Hopefully his adivisors can speed up on establishing an organization, but im sure they're running on fumes at this point.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:55 PM
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1. He did very well on Capitol Hill
From what I've read about his visit there Tuesday, from articles in Roll Call and The Hill.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:56 PM
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2. Is he EVER going to register Dem?
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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:59 PM
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4. I assume
It would probably look good :-)
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:00 PM
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6. Ask Dean. He thinks he's an expert on Clark's political..
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 06:01 PM by Kahuna
affiliations. Dean said he was a republican. Just chalk up another desperate lie to Camp Dean.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:11 PM
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19. Wes Clark, in his own words,
200k mp3

Everytime I see a Clarkie bashing one of the Democratic candidates I'm going to post this again O8)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:29 PM
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22. I dont mind anyone being bashed
but it bothers me to see so many bash one person as a defense of another.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:06 PM
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11. Judging by how long it took him to decide he was a Dem
I dunno, maybe by inauguration day he might get around to it- besides you never know, that call from Rove might come through.

I think we're being a tad impatient. after all he only just figured out what he was a Dem this very month, so maybe we should give the guy a break :shrug: and understand that there were more pressing issues at hand such as fund-raisers for yet that "other" party, statements in front of the Senate outlining how to best go about getting our ducks in order to better pulverize Iraq, and heaping all that praise on the neo-cons.

Sheesh, you'd think we were talking about Democratic elections or something...

And to think I used to dislike Dean... Dean is looking better and better and better

Thursday, September 18, 2003

Speaking on May 11, 2001, as the keynote speaker to the Pulaski County Republican Party's Lincoln Day Dinner, Clark said that American involvement abroad helps prevent war and spreads the ideals of the United States, according to an AP dispatch the following day.

Two weeks later, a report in U.S. News and World Report said Arkansas Republican politicos were "pondering the future of Wesley Clark:" "Insiders say Clark, who is a consultant for Stephens Group in Little Rock, is preparing a political run as a Republican. Less clear: what office he'd campaign for. At a recent Republican fund-raiser, he heralded Ronald Reagan's Cold War actions and George Bush's foreign policy. He also talked glowingly of current President Bush's national security team. Absent from the praise list -- his former boss, ex-Commander in Chief Bill Clinton."

Clark told CNN's Judy Woodruff earlier this month that he had decided to register as a Democrat. Left unsaid and unknown at this point is exactly when and why he decided to become a Democrat.

http://www.politicsus.com/front%20page%20archive/091803.html
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:08 PM
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12. Democrats asked him to run as governor of AK
He refused both. He really was an Independent. I know this doesn't fit into your theory as nicely as you would like, but that's the case.
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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:08 PM
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17. Re: Judging by how long it took him to decide he was a Dem
dunno, maybe by inauguration day he might get around to it- besides you never know, that call from Rove might come through

Disproven hyperbole. For you to use this shows that you're not in the business of finding the truth, but discrediting Clark. Pathetic.

I think we're being a tad impatient. after all he only just figured out what he was a Dem this very month, so maybe we should give the guy a break :shrug: and understand that there were more pressing issues at hand such as fund-raisers for yet that "other" party, statements in front of the Senate outlining how to best go about getting our ducks in order to better pulverize Iraq, and heaping all that praise on the neo-cons.

Sheesh, you'd think we were talking about Democratic elections or something...

And to think I used to dislike Dean... Dean is looking better and better and better


You fail to see the big picture. It isnt about political parties, but about ideas and how to make them a reality, so while you insinuate that Clark is in favour of Neo-Conservativism despite his public record arguing against you, others will recognize that you're in the business of destroying rather than creating. Then again, alot of the wannabe puritans are such because they cannot face the reality of Politics so they hang on to hopes of Kucinich gaining more than 2% of the Dem vote or Dean becoming a progressive*.

*Im not knocking Kucinich or Dean supporters, just the absolutists.

"Two weeks later, a report in U.S. News and World Report said Arkansas Republican politicos were "pondering the future of Wesley Clark:" "Insiders say Clark, who is a consultant for Stephens Group in Little Rock, is preparing a political run as a Republican. Less clear: what office he'd campaign for. At a recent Republican fund-raiser, he heralded Ronald Reagan's Cold War actions and George Bush's foreign policy. He also talked glowingly of current President Bush's national security team. Absent from the praise list -- his former boss, ex-Commander in Chief Bill Clinton."

Clark told CNN's Judy Woodruff earlier this month that he had decided to register as a Democrat. Left unsaid and unknown at this point is exactly when and why he decided to become a Democrat.


You fail to mention with your selective quoting that Democrats were courting him as well for the governorship of Arkansas, and that he had attended Dem Fundraisers and even campaigned for Dems in the 2002 midterms. Then again, you're linear to the point that you cannot fathom saying something nice about people unless they hold your puritanical moral rigidity, which is a copout to thinking.


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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:32 PM
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26. You guys are a broken record
is this ALL you can up with?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:06 PM
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16. I'm sure he will...
and then we can all get a great night's sleep
because all will be right in the universe when
that happens.

:hug:
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:42 PM
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27. Is Carville...
Ever going to divorce that Republican?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:58 PM
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3. Clark has discomfited his opponents. At least the righties are..
taking break and regrouping to revise their attacks. Ironically, the lefties are using the same attacks but they haven't got it yet.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:05 PM
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10. Got what?
That he isn't a Democrat?

Did you know this is the Democratic primary?

Did you know it is held so that Democrats can elect a Democrat to go against the repugs?
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:00 PM
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5. Why doesn't he get the grassroots draft clark websites back up?
Taking them down was a bad move imo. Clark better hope he can catch up to Dean in this department. If Clark isn't interested in grassroots organizing and buildling the Democratic party than we have no use for him.

He sounds great to me, and I like his interviews and ideas, but he needs to build some populist credentials very quickly.

His interview on education was masterful.
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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:04 PM
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8. I dont think Clark has the time to catch up to Deans Organization
but i think he could pull off winning the DemNom if he establishes at least a good one. That's why he's trying to get endorsments, because they could parlay into improving his org by promotion.
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StephNW4Clark Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:05 PM
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9. Incorporating Grassroots
I know that a couple of people from the DraftClark movement are now working on the official campaign, and one of the more popular un-official bloggers has been asked to join the Clark blog as well.
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:55 PM
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14. The site belonged to someone else - just to draft him
There's still a bunch of other draftclark sites out there.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:11 PM
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20. Some of the Draft Clarkers...
have been absorbed into his campaign.

Hlinko is on his Blog team.

I have a website, and no one asked me to take it down.

The websites that have went down did so for legal reasons
I believe. As far as I know we are all a big happy family.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:01 PM
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7. I'm more impressed with him each day!
I hope that he keeps the momentum, and stays out of harm's way....

DemEx
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:48 PM
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13. didn't have the time?
The sad thing is that Clark didnt have the time to iron out the wrinkles when nobody was paying attention like the other candidates, but im still amazed at how well it has been for him overall.

what's sad (for Clark supporters) is that Clark frittered away this valuable time. for months, while the other candidates were out there organizing, raising funds, raising issues, developing position statements, shaking hands, kissing babies, eating hot dogs, etc...; Clark was admiring his navel and trying to work up the nerve to say he was a democrat.


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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:03 PM
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15. "...and trying to work up the nerve
to say he was a democrat"

AND, he still isn't one!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:09 PM
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18. I'm a Democrat and I am not registered....
I have been one for years.....I voted for
Clinton twice and then Gore. I pull a straight
ticket except for a few Green votes.

:hi:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:18 PM
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21. If you are not registered
you are not on the voters registry, therefore you can not vote.
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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:29 PM
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23. Sure
Another day, another Dfong smear attempt

what's sad (for Clark supporters) is that Clark frittered away this valuable time. for months, while the other candidates were out there organizing, raising funds, raising issues, developing position statements, shaking hands, kissing babies, eating hot dogs, etc...; Clark was admiring his navel and trying to work up the nerve to say he was a democrat.

As i've said before, youre wrong (as usual). Like any novice campaign politician, Clark was out trying to develop a networking base for fundraising and organize an infastructure while not tipping his hand to build momentum, which obviously succeeded when you look at the poll numbers, not to mention that he wasnt even committed to running until recently anyways.

To think that Clark was "staring at his navel" is incredibly naive
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seandq Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:31 PM
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24. I think he is doing awesome
me and my friend supported him before he entered the race. i think he can become very popular with this liberal media too.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:03 PM
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30. Good point
For a guy who was doing "nothing" he certainly roared into this race. His much-maligned late entry appears to have been a very clever professional move.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:46 PM
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28. No, not his navel
He was writing his book. He had a commitment and a late summer deadline.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:32 PM
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25. Awesome! Clark is the absolute best candidate to beat the * in 2004!
Of course that assumes we Dems CAN still vote.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 07:54 PM
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29. It seems that way to me..
tho I can't logically tell you why. I'm still reading...and waiting...for more information. So far...I haven't seen anything that will wreck his candidacy with the public...unless it's that he's too smart.

Still Tryin' Not to Fall in Love......
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