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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:16 PM
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ACLU discovers FBI is labeling peace activists as 'potential terrorists'
ACLU reveals FBI labeled peace, affirmative action group 'terrorist'

RAW STORY

The American Civil Liberties Union today released an FBI document that designates a Michigan-based peace group and an affirmative action advocacy group as potentially "involved in terrorist activities," RAW STORY has learned. The ACLU release follows.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/ACLU_reveals_FBI_labeled_peace_affirmative_action_group_terrori_0829.html
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:21 PM
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1. Chilling
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 07:25 PM by etherealtruth
I don't have anything else to say except that chills me to the bone!

Recommended upon edit
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:23 PM
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2. people who want peace have always been enemies of a
fascist state...
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:24 PM
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3. This is a surprise?
I wouldn't expect anything less from our pseudo-fascist government
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:26 PM
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4. we've been here before....
This is not at all surprising. Same shit, different decade.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:34 PM
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5. along with the homeless
you never know what these subversives will try to disquise themselves as next!
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 12:48 AM
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37. Shoeshiners!
:yoiks:
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:36 PM
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6. And Pat Robertson is still a 'private citizen'
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:37 PM
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7. This is exactly what we've all suspected
They have been working overtime on their rhetoric that makes everyone who disagrees with them a terrorist. :grr:

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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:38 PM
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8. Wow!
I'll have to pass this around. Thanks. :dem:
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:41 PM
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9. Always check the shoes, people!


And if somebody seriously suggests something obviously illegal and destructive (and/or dangerous to persons) in a group meeting, look upon them with great suspicion.

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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:53 PM
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34. We have a couple of the "shoes" here in
Az.......am keeping a close eye! It's absurd! We're a peace group for christ sake!!!!

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NoMoreMrNiceGuy Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:48 PM
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10. What did Frank Zappa say?
When the illusion of democracy and freedom stop being profitable in America, all the props will be thrown aside, the curtain will rise and you will see a huge brick wall.

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:53 PM
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11.  Anyone remember what happened to Peace Fresno?
LOCAL PEACE GROUP INFILTRATED BY GOVERNMENT AGENT
By Mike Rhodes
October 4, 2003

Peace Fresno was infiltrated by an agent working for the Fresno Sheriff’s Department. Aaron Kline, known by Peace Fresno activists as Aaron Stokes, attended several Peace Fresno meetings. Peace Fresno activist Nicholas DeGraff remembers him taking voluminous notes and several members say they saw him at peace vigils held at Shaw and Blackstone. He was also on the bus local anti-globalization activists took to attend the WTO ministerial-level conference on Agricultural Science and Technology demonstration in Sacramento in June 2003.

Aaron Kline died in a motorcycle accident on August 30, 2003. In his obituary in The Fresno Bee he was identified as a member of the Fresno County Sheriff’s department. The obituary went on to say that he was “assigned to the anti-terrorist team.” Local activists believe that this “anti-terrorist team” is, in fact, the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) that has recently been formed in this area.. When members of Peace Fresno saw the picture and read of Kline’s association with law enforcement they began piecing the story together.
<snip>

There have been several meetings between law enforcement and groups concerned about civil liberties, in the wake of September 11, 2001. One such meeting was held with Lt. Pat Farmer of the Fresno Police Department. Lt. Farmer told this group of community activists that there is nothing to prevent the police or JTTF members from investigating and interrogating community members. He suggested that the person being investigated might not even know he was talking to a police officer. “If the person doesn’t want to talk with us, they don’t have to,” Farmer said. At an earlier meeting, immediately after 9-11, an FBI agent told a group, of mostly immigrant rights activists, that anyone helping a group identified as a “terrorist group” by the United States government would be investigated as a potential terrorist. That was interpreted to mean that if you are working, for example, to support the Zapatistas in Chiapas, you might be investigated as a supporter of international terrorism. This FBI agent said that every agent in this area was now focusing on stopping the terrorist threat.

Detective Aaron Kilner was a member of the FCSD Anti-Terrorism unit. This unit collects, evaluates, collates, analyzes, and disseminates information on individuals, groups, and organizations suspected of criminal or terrorist activities. This information meets the stringent federal and state guidelines for intelligence gathering and civil rights protections in order to prevent crime and protect the health and safety of residents of Fresno County and the State of California.

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/1650550.php
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:05 PM
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19. Thanks for posting that article
The OP made me think of that, but I didn't have it on file. I do now!

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:14 PM
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22. You're welcome
I had to do some digging since I no longer had it in my bookmarks. This was a good opportunity to add it to my current list.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:56 PM
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12. COINTELPRO back in force... "Homeland Offense Gestapo" with reason n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:56 PM
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13. Another thread on this Raw Story blockbuster is on the Greatest Page now:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1735413
Thread title: ACLU: FBI labeled peace, affirmative action group 'terrorist'
Posted by rawstory LBN Forum Mon Aug-29-05 04:18 PM
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 07:58 PM
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14. This is disgusting
Sometimes now days I don't recognize my country.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:02 PM
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15. I'm Sorry, But...
...peace groups are not terrorists. It's a contradiction in terms. Why doesn't Bush get the *real* terrorist--bin Laden? He seems to spend time trying to get everyone *but* bin Laden. It really makes me wonder...

Tammy
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:12 PM
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21. I think
the word "peace" is a key word here to these groups. Bush just doesn't like it that he can't control us.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:02 PM
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16. Absolutely predictable -- and it will get much much worse.
Bush was chosen specifically to make the world safe for oligarchy -- which means increasing (and eventually total) oppression for the rest of us: anyone who has to work for a living, anyone who is low-income elderly, disabled or otherwise impoverished. Homeland Security is not just about "combating terrorism." It is also the secret police that will suppress any outcry against the ever-more-savage realities of capitalism.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:39 PM
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27. I wish I did not agree with you.
One man's conspiracy is another man's business plan.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 12:57 AM
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38. Why didn't people who saw this coming stop it?
:hi:
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:06 AM
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40. Damn. That was a very bleak, and accurate way of putting that.
I agree with you, as well. Your last sentence was chilling.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:04 PM
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17. If you haven't you should
try to check out the film "UnConstiutional." It's about the "Patriot Act" and talks about this briefly and one guy tells how he was talking to someone in the local gym about everything going on and he got a visit from the FBI!
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:05 PM
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18. Crushing domestic political...
...dissent is high on the Bushco agenda. Fascism is here, people---as a matter of fact it's downright "fashionable."

http://www.karlandkinggeorge.com/Fascism_is_Fashionable.html
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:06 PM
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20. Contielrpro, any qeuestions
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:19 PM
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23. Under apartheid protestors against the racist and brutal
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 08:20 PM by Solly Mack
government were labeled terrorists as justification for torture and murder..as long as those who dissent can be painted as crimnals, then the corrupt power base maintains control - and far too many people not only accept the lie as true, they applaud the effort.


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:24 PM
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24. Prepare for the Great Purge!
All you naysayers better get ready! Bush ain't leaving office peacefully.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:03 AM
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39. How does Congress sleep at night?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:30 PM
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25. in 60s SF and LA police depts had groups that monitored all protest groups
there were lots of 'observers' watching those in attendance at a speech by Gus Hall of the communist party at a college on the SF peninsula.........it was really eery
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:33 PM
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26. Chanelling Richard Nixon......
Are you there, Dick?

Motherfuckers.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:58 PM
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28. Time Magazine some yrs ago had a story
in the issue with the cover "Mormons, Inc." August 4, 1997, article 'Kingdom Come'

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,986794,00.html

In that main article, it says that the FBI and CIA have Mormon hiring preferences.

I thought that was interesting and, as this story mentions 'affirmative action group', it begs the question of how the Mormons got their hiring preference. Hmmmm.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:02 PM
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29. Move to Fla. and take flying lessons.! That invokes the protection of
the FBI's First Commandment. Thou Shalt Not Investigate Brother Bush's Terrorist Training Camps in Florida. Then there is the Second Commandment. Thou Shalt Not Detain The Terrorist's Brother Salem Bin Laden. O'Brother!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:07 PM
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30. damn! what do they do about REAL terrorists??? n/t
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:26 PM
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31. we should thank the ACLU n/t
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:39 PM
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32. God Bless the ACLU

Become a card-carrying member today -- see this link:

https://www.aclu.org/contribute/contribute.cfm?BNR=1
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:42 PM
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33. peace terrorists? oxymoron alert
:wtf:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 12:34 AM
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35. Ironic, same week that AIM members visit Sheehan
the ACLU releases this document. Talk about COINTELPRO. Russell, Dennis and the rest of the know about that. There were hundreds of felony charges brought against the brave AIM members who occupied Wounded Knee in 73. In the end, there were just a few misdemeanor convictions. Kept them fighting in court for quite a while.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 12:43 AM
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36. Ignorance Is Strength. Greed Is Good. Peace Is Terror.
Now it is 1984
Knock knock at your front door
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