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Who Are the Republicans (Revised)
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 09:12 PM by joemurphy
WHO ARE THE REPUBLICANS? (Revised)

Here’s what I think.

1. The Rich. According to CNN exit polling done in connection with the 2004 Presidential Election the wealthy voted overwhelmingly for George W. Bush. Those with incomes of $200,000 or more (3% of the total number of voters polled) went for Bush 63% to 35% for Kerry. Those with incomes between $150,00 and $200,000 (4% of the total polled) also broke for Bush over Kerry 58% to 42%. Less affluent voters, by contrast, voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. Those reporting incomes under $15,000 (8% of the total polled) went for Kerry over Bush 63% to 33%. It was only at the middle-income levels that there was parity in the voting. For example, at the $30,000 to $50,000 income level, Kerry edged Bush by 50% to 49%. The conclusion? The more money a voter has, the more likely he is to vote Republican.

Here is a complete breakdown of 2004 voting by income according to CNN’s exit polling:

Bush Kerry Nader

Under $15,000 (8%) 36% 63% 0%
$15-$30,000 (15%) 42% 57% 0%
$30-$50,000 (22%) 49% 50% 0%
$50,000-$75,000(23%) 56% 43% 0%
$75,000-$100,000(14%) 55% 45% 0%
$100,000-$150,000(11%) 57% 42% 0%
$150,000-$200,000(4%) 58% 42% 0%
$200,000 or More (3%) 63% 35% 1%

Another interesting statistic from the same CNN exit polling:

Votes by Income Bush Kerry Nader
Less than $100,000(82%) 49% 50% 0%
$100,000 or More (18%) 58% 41% 1%

All figures used in this piece can be found at: <http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html>

Why do the Rich vote Republican?

The short answer is they like their money. They want to keep what they have and get more if possible.

Money is a major key to power in the U.S. and the Rich are powerful because they have it. The Rich basically own this country. The top 4 or 5% of our population own around 45% of all of the wealth in it. The top 10% own even more. There rest of the country shares what’s left. And as income disparities become more pronounced there’s less and less for the majority of the people to share.

The Rich are for the most part white and male. They are usually very well educated. This isn’t surprising. They’ve always had a multi-generational ticket into the country’s best prep schools and universities. They eat better than most of us. They get the best medical care. They generally live longer than the poor. Unlike most of us, they don’t have to worry about paying for their kids’ education, funding their retirement, managing their credit card debt, worrying about whether they’ll have a job tomorrow, or wondering where their next meal is going to come from. As F. Scott Fitzgerald once said: “The rich are different than you and I.”

The Rich see Democrats as a threat because the Democrats like to regulate and tax them, redistribute their money, and minimize their capacity for increasing their wealth. The Rich therefore vote overwhelmingly Republican because they see this as being in their economic best interests. They are quite correct in doing so. Republican administrations invariably do make the Rich richer.

Is this good for the country? Not exactly. Great disparities in wealth usually make for social turmoil. But if you’re among the Rich, it doesn’t matter. As they see it, you can never really have too much money.

The Rich vote Republican for additional, but related, reasons. The Rich view the Democrats as the party of regulation and “big government.” They oppose regulation because they see it as expensive to them, as cutting into their profits, and as putting curbs on their freedom to enhance their wealth. To the Rich “big government” – and any government the Rich don’t control is usually too big -- is needlessly bureaucratic, inefficient, and wasteful.

To the Rich, the chief failing of “government” is that it is not run according to “efficient business principles.” Contrary to the views of many that have worked for corporations and other private businesses and seen their inefficiencies (the cartoon strip Dilbert comes to mind here), the Rich always view a “business” enterprise as intrinsically efficient, productive, and therefore worthy of emulation. As the managers of such enterprises, the Rich also see themselves as the people best suited -- by intelligence, breeding, education, business experience, and sense of entitlement -- to govern America. Someone must guide the peons, after all.

The Rich love corporations because corporations are run along hierarchic lines. They also like them because, unless they engage in massive fraud, a corporation’s owners and managers are basically insulated from any kind of personal liability. Moreover, corporate bosses ordinarily aren’t accountable to the corporation’s clueless and faceless shareholders and the corporation can thus be utilized to pay their bosses mammoth salaries, lavish perks, and cushy retirements. Generally speaking, the Rich think government should be run like corporations and for the benefit of corporations.

The Rich hate unions for the same reasons that they hate governmental regulation. Unions tend to interfere with managerial decision-making and cut into the bottom line - profits. This is another reason the Rich vote Republican.

Free trade is attractive to the Rich because it’s supposedly based on laissez-faire principles and allows businessmen to do what they want with their enterprises and the profits those enterprises generate (unless, of course, profits go south and the enterprise’s viability is threatened -- then the Rich usually ask for, and get, trade protection, Federal assistance, tax breaks, or bailouts for their ailing or infant industries). By contrast, to the Rich, there’s really nothing wrong in closing down a plant, crippling a local economy, and leaving a labor force destitute if doing so makes the corporation (and especially those running it) more money. It’s just “bidness”, you see, and management’s fiduciary duty is to its shareholders and not its workforce.

The Rich hate paying taxes because taxes cut into their private wealth and because the money generated from taxes is used for what the Rich view as wasteful public, rather than “efficient” private, purposes. Hence they like to put their money into complicated tax shelters or bank it in countries like the Cayman Islands or Switzerland.

Actually, the wealthiest of the Rich did little to get their money in the first place. Generally, they inherited it. Keeping it in the family is very important to them – a big reason why Republicans favor elimination of the estate tax (or “death tax” if you like the Republican name for it). Although the Rich worship Horatio Alger stories about self-made men and “captains of industry”, they have no qualms about passing their wealth on to their progeny, who, like their parents, have also done nothing whatsoever to earn it. Dynasties are thus perpetuated.

To the extent the Rich have a political philosophy (other than seeking to preserve and further enrich themselves) they generally fall into four “conservative” factions or camps – the Neoconservatives, the Fiscal Conservatives, the Moderates, and the Paleoconservatives. There is a certain amount of overlap, as well as mild tension, among the three.

A. Neoconservatives: A popular myth is that Neoconservatives are a bunch of liberals who have gone astray. This myth is now somewhat dated. In fact, some of the intellectual forebears of the present-day Neocons actually were liberals that believed in the “The Welfare State.” But they also felt that the Left wasn’t hard-line enough with the Soviets. These old-time Neocons found a home in the Republican Party. There they supported policies that were militantly anticommunistic, but generally favored more social welfare spending than was popular with Libertarians and mainstream conservatives. Civil equality for blacks and other minorities didn’t bother them much and they actually had some sympathy with a non-traditionalist Republican agenda.

But that was then, and this is now. The Neocons holding office in the present Bush administration – Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, and Condoleezza Rice have never been liberals. They’ve been Republicans for their entire public careers. Also, unlike their ideological forebears, today’s Neocons don’t really have any social agenda. They’re really just about foreign policy – spreading the benefits of unregulated free market capitalism and democracy to foreign countries like Iraq; opposing anticommunism in Cuba, China and North Korea, and generally getting tough with Islamic countries and rogue states. If a profit can be made in the bargain, so be it. Witness Dick Cheney’s old company, Halliburton, in the reconstruction of Iraq and Grover Norquist’s involvement in post-Iraq planning..

Neoconservatives dislike the old approach to foreign policy that one might associate with Nixon and his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger – i.e., pragmatic accomodations with dictators, peace sought through negotiations with the enemy, resort to diplomacy to resolve conflicts, arms control, détente, containment (rather than rollback) of the Soviet Union, and forging bilateral ties between Red China and the U.S. Instead, Neocons favor an interventionist foreign policy. They also espouse a unilateralism that is totally at odds with traditional notions of diplomacy and international law. Neocons despise most of these conventions, preferring confrontation and pre-emptive war to resolve international problems – particularly since the military demise of the Soviet Union. Neocons basically now see everything in terms of military power. The U.S. has it. Other countries don’t. So let’s take advantage of it and use it.

Intellectually, Neocons were supposedly influenced by a diverse range of thinkers, -- Max Shachtman (who espoused a strongly anti-Soviet version of Trotskyism), Milton Friedman (a libertarian leaning free-market economist), Leo Strauss (a Neoplatonic political philosopher), and even Niccolo Machiavelli (an amoral Renaissance Italian political philosopher whose basic credo was the ends of state justify any means employed). The leading Neocon thinking today can be found in The Weekly Standard and The National Review. It’s sometimes scary reading.

Neocons basically see the world in 1939 terms. Their heros are Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, both of whom the Neocons equate with Winston Churchill. As Churchill stood up to Fascist Germany, Reagan and Bush stood up to the Soviet Union and terrorist Islam. The Neocons see Democrats as “appeasers” -- like Neville Chamberlain -- who would supposedly mollycoddle and negotiate with foreign devils.

Neocons see America as founded on universal principles of freedom and democracy. They see America’s mission as remaking the world into its own democratic image.

Neocons are prone to very moralistic rhetoric – a trait they have in common with Fundamentalists. They demand, among other things, "moral clarity" in dealing with regimes that stand in the way of America's universal purpose. Such “moral clarity” means basically viewing the world in black and white terms. Neocons see themselves as the champions of "virtue," with Neocon America representing all that is “good” and those challenging America and its democratic values standing for all that is “evil”. The “good” must fight “evil” everywhere. Neoconservativism is all very Manichean.

Neocons strongly believe in “nation-building.” They have a near-messianic belief in America’s need, and ability, to create stable democracies out of nowhere – usually following a U.S. initiated or supported armed conflict. They like to compare the present ham-handed efforts at nation-building in Iraq, for example, to the successful denazification and reform efforts that took place in post-World War II Germany and Japan. Creating new democracies is important in the Neocon view, because “democracies do not engage in war with other democracies.”

Of course, imposing democratic principles through mandatory regime-change and military occupation does seem to run counter to basic principles of self-determination -- something the Neocons, in the course of their democracy-building, don’t like to talk about much. Democratically elected socialists like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela give Neocons fits.

Neocons also believe, on principle, in defending “democracies” against aggression. In this regard, they are particularly keen on assisting the state of Israel in any way possible.The Neoconservative Project for the New American Century (“PNAC”) has called for an Israel that is no longer dependent on American aid. This is to be accomplished through military removal of all major threats to its existence in the Middle East –a tall order. However, men like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, and Richard Perle are stand-up sorts of fellows and have shown themselves ready and willing to put their shoulders to the task.

During the 1990s, Neocons opposed the foreign policies of both Bush I and Clinton because they reduced military expenditures and were, in their view, insufficiently idealistic. To their mind, both Bush I and Clinton also lacked "moral clarity" and the gumption to unilaterally pursue U.S. strategic interests abroad. Particularly galling to the Neocons was George H. W. Bush’s and Colin Powell’s decision to leave Saddam Hussein in power at the end of the Gulf War. The Neocons viewed this as a betrayal of the Iraqi Kurds and Shiites, although some Neoconservatives, notably Dick Cheney, supported the action at the time. That “mistake” was something the Neocons have since been very eager to rectify. Hence, our most recent visit to Iraq.

As compared with the Paleoconservatives and Libertarians (who are generally isolationist or non-interventionist), Neocons are quite willing to challenge foreign regimes that they feel are hostile to what Neocons perceive as American values and interests. But while paying lip service to such values, Neocons have also been quite willing to abandon “virtue” and “moral clarity” and countenance actions and policies that are recognizably un-American – such as supporting undemocratic regimes in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and inaugurating indefinite detention and torture in post-war Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo.

Neocons are largely responsible for the so-called “Bush Doctrine”, a radical departure from prior U.S. foreign policy. This “Doctrine” is a proclaimed right on the part of the U.S. to wage pre-emptive wars should it find itself threatened by terrorists or rogue states. The Bush Doctrine also ominously states that the U.S. "will be strong enough to dissuade potential adversaries from pursuing a military build-up in hopes of surpassing, or equaling, the power of the United States" – a corollary which hasn’t won America many friends abroad and makes some of our European allies – particularly France and Germany -- a tad bit nervous.

Today, the most prominent Neocons inside the Bush administration are Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, UN Ambassador John Bolton, and former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, (who was recently nominated to head the World Bank). There are lots more Neocons hanging about in other offices – particularly in the Defense and State Departments. Neocon pundits further abound in conservative think-tanks and are regularly seen on cable news programs.

The exact number of true Neocons is hard to gauge. Numerically speaking and in voting terms, there probably aren’t really too many of them. But their strength isn’t so much a matter of numbers. Their importance lies in the fact that they have the President’s ear, occupy key positions, and are presently positioned in a fashion to influence U.S. policy. They have stamped their philosophy upon the Republican Party – something some Republicans privately are increasingly unhappy about. Owing to Republican control of all the three branches of American government, Neocon influence has also had a profound effect on the entire country. Some of the Rich support these guys philosophically, but probably not that many.

B. Fiscal Conservatives: These are the old-money boys. This faction constitutes probably the bulk of the Rich. It favors large reductions in overall taxation, reduced domestic spending, privatization of Social Security, and decreased regulation. Originally, the pro-business branch of the GOP was practically defined by its support of protectionism, but in recent years those elements of the GOP have been more supportive of free-market principles and treaties for open trade.
Prominent fiscal conservatives include Fmr. Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and anti-tax activist Grover Norquist.

C. The Moderates: “Moderates” within the GOP tend to be, to varying degrees, fiscally conservative and somewhat socially liberal. Numerically they are a piddling and lonely bunch. While they share the economic views of Fiscal Conservatives - e.g. balanced budgets, lower taxes, free trade, deregulation, welfare reform - moderate Republicans differ in that they may occasionally be for affirmative action, some gay rights, abortion rights, campaign funding reform, environmental regulation, federal funds for education, gun control, fewer restrictions on legal immigration, or any of the above. On foreign policy, Moderates tend to be less interventionist than Neoconservatives.

Moderate Republicans include U.S. Sens. Arlen Specter (Pennsylvania) and John McCain (Arizona), Californian Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Fmr. U.S. Secy. of State Colin Powell, and former NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. These guys stand for what constitutes the “left wing” of the Republican Party. They don’t carry a lot of weight in the councils of power and are often despised by members of the other factions. Members of some of the other factions sometimes characterize moderates as "Republican in Name Only".

The Republican Main Street Partnership is a network supporting moderate Republicans for office, while the Republican Leadership Council is similar in direction. Fmr. New Jersey Gov. Christie Todd Whitman founded the "It's My Party Too!" PAC in order to promote moderate Republicans for office. The Republican Majority for Choice is a PAC of and for pro-choice Republicans, and is often allied with the moderate branch of the party. Fmr. U.S. Sen. Maj. Leader Bob Dole has supported the "Main Street" Republicans. None of these organizations have much influence on Republican policy.

D. Paleoconservatives: These are the most right-wing Republicans – the nativist, protectionist, minimal-governmentists and isolationists that are now perhaps best exemplified by Pat Buchanan or former independent presidential candidate Ross Perot. Some Rich Republicans espouse the Paleocon philosophy, so I’ve included it here. However, Paleoconservatism has a definite "blue-collar", populist tinge to it, with a strong distrust of a centralized federal government and a heavy appeal among rural Republicans. Hence, most Paleocon adherents fall within the “Anti-Liberal” bracket that I define more explicitly below. Paleocons make Republican Neocons and Moderates kind of nervous.

The Paleocons are very conservative on social issues (e.g. abortion and support for gun rights) and oppose multiculturalism. They favor protectionist policies on international trade and hanker for a basically isolationist U.S. foreign policy. Many are also actively against illegal immigration, and, sometimes, even against legal immigration – a particular cause for blue-collar appeal. Fiscal conservatives like immigration because they like cheap labor.
Prominent Paleocons, like Pat Buchanan, have also spoken out against NAFTA and what they see as a Neoconservative takeover of the Republican Party. Buchanan, an extreme Paleoconservative, actually left the Republican Party and ran as a third-party candidate in the 2000 election. Another Paleocon – Ross Perot – did the same thing in 1992 and arguably got Bill Clinton elected..

In contrast to the Neocons, the Paleoconservatives deny that any one universal political or economic model is a panacea for all societies and cultures – something that makes them wary of foreign wars, treaties, and support for the United Nations. They also pay lip service to the belief that no one society's institutions can suit the needs and aspirations of all other societies and cultures. America, for them, has no messianic mission for the world and has no place building an “empire” – at least not one based on active use of military power. Economic empire, however, is a whole different thing for Paleocons.

Paleocons, Moderates, and Neocons are all pretty much on the same page about free-enterprise capitalism and representative democracy being good things. It’s just that Paleocons aren’t quite as doctrinaire, ideological, or messianic about it as the Neocons. Paleocons are more about making money in foreign countries than building democracies in them.

Paleoconservatives also purport to esteem principles of localism – something that gives them a big appeal in the South. They embrace “federalism” within a framework of “nationalism” and are thus staunch supporters of “state’s rights”. Paleoconservatives are also more critical of the welfare state than the Neocons tend to be. Generally, they hate federal power not only because it usually is regulatory and bad for business, but also because they see it as usurping state and local authority.

“Big government” is a repeated and pejorative mantra that Paleocons like to trot out and use – particularly on Democrats. However, if “Big Government” can get Paleocons a tax break, a bailout, a plum government contract, or a regulatory advantage, then they’re apt to be as much in favor of it as your average Democrat. As with all of the other Republican factions, dollar values usually trump ideological ones.

Paleocons used to be guys who talked about “fiscal responsibility” and “balanced budgets.” Unfortunately, neither of these items have been high on the agendas of the Neocons who have been recently responsible for setting Republican policy. Having gotten control of Congress, and with the assistance of their nominally Fiscal Conservative bretheren, Paleocons been horrendously profligate in their economic activities – lowering taxes for the Rich and spending enormous amounts on pet projects and financial giveaways for businesses and corporations while simultaneously funding an expensive war in Iraq. The result has been record budget deficits and a burgeoning national debt. Once again, an instance of ideology taking a back seat to monetary profits.

Compared to Neocons, Paleocons are less doctrinaire about the blessings of “globalism” and free trade. They are extremely critical of immigration and tend to embrace a more isolationist foreign policy. During the Cold War many Paleoconservatives bit the bullet and grudgingly came to view some overseas treaty committments as necessary to the defense of the United States. They don’t see such commitments as so beneficial now with the demise of the U.S.S.R.. Many Paleocons, for example, supported NATO when it was a defensive organization but dropped their support when NATO was seen by them as being used as a mechanism for U.S. intervention in Yugoslavia. Unfazed by the genocide that was taking place there, many Paleocons felt U.S. interests in Bosnia and Kossovo were either marginal or non-existent and that Clinton’s interventions there and in Haiti were silly and wrong-headed.

Since the end of the Cold War, Paleocons have attempted to enlarge the rift within the conservative movement that exists between themselves and the Neocons. Although the demarcation line is often indistinct and shifting, harsh words have of late been exchanged between Neocons like David Frum of The National Review and Paleocons like Patrick Buchanan of The American Conservative. Frum has charged that Paleocons, in their sometimes harsh criticism of President Bush and his “War on Terror,” have become unpatriotic supporters of America's enemies and, at times, anti-Semitic. Buchanan and others have retorted that Neocons run the U.S. government in pursuit of global empire and for the benefit of Israel and multi-national corporations with whom they have close ties; in doing so, Paleos charge, the Neocons violate true conservative principles of sovereignty while creating new enemies and fomenting anti-Americanism abroad.

However, factional differences between Paleocons, Moderates and Neocons are usually ignored when it comes time to vote. Both groups see Democrats as the bigger enemy. Consequently, at election time they close ranks and typically vote for whichever Republican candidate is running no matter what his purported “philosophy” is apt to be. As previously mentioned, the big exception to this came with the independent candidacy of Ross Perot in 1992 – something that split the Republican vote and enabled the Clinton Democrats to capture the White House. Republicans have never forgotten this. It’s one of the reasons their party-discipline has been so rigid ever since.

So that’s the Rich and what I think synopsizes the basic compendium of their ideological beliefs.

Unfortunately, the Rich are numerically few. They have money and they have the power that comes with money. But the Rich also need votes if they want to continue to win elections, keep their kind of people in power, and maintain the cozy niches they’ve carved out for themselves at the top of America’s socio-economic pyramid. Getting the necessary votes requires the Rich to make distasteful compromises. Hence, they have allied themselves, for purely pragmatic reasons, to the following strange mix of Republican-voting bedfellows:

2. The Religious Right. Let’s open again with some more CNN exit polling from the 2004 Election. The first thing to note is that Protestants overwhelmingly voted for Bush.


Bush Kerry Nader

Protestant (54%) 59% 40% 0%
Catholic (27%) 52% 47% 0%
Jewish (3%) 29% 74% 0%
Other (7%) 23% 76% 1%
None (10%) 31% 67% 1%



Of those Protestants, Evangelicals, identifying themselves as “Born Again” (23% of those polled – about one-third of the Protestant vote), voted for Bush by even bigger margins:

Evangelical / Born Again? Bush Kerry Nader

Yes (23%) 78% 21% 0%
No (77%) 43% 56% 0%

People regularly attending church also voted overwhelmingly for Bush.

Voting by Church Attendance Bush Kerry Nader

Weekly 61% 39% 0%
Occasionally 47% 53% 0%
Never 36% 62% 1%


The members of the “Religious Right” (I also refer to them as “Fundies” for short) are generally true believers. They are a ready source of committed Republican activists. They are for the most part white and Protestant (the Protestants here being primarily Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians) although there is a large group of church-going Catholics that vote with them.

These people see America’s biggest problem as its social permissiveness. They are usually well enough fixed that this concern trumps all other economic or political concerns they might otherwise have. If you are out of work and hungry, you vote your paycheck. If you have a good paycheck, however, you can afford to worry about gay marriage, abortion, and the harmful effects of Janet Jackson’s breast popping out of a bra cup at the Super Bowl.

For the Religious Right, the Democratic Party is the great Satan – the party of Hollywood, abortion, birth control, rap music and agnosticism. Its secularism, relativism, pluralism, tolerance, and general irreverence repel them. That repugnance is well reflected in Fundie voting.

Abortion genuinely troubles the Religious Right. They view it as murder. They see homosexuality as perversion -- a decadent life choice rather than an innate sexual orientation. Pornography, sexual permissiveness, and promiscuity of any sort or kind disgust them. The availability of birth control is seen as the root of such behaviors and instruction in the use and availability of birth control is therefore highly suspect. Sex outside of marriage is sin. Abstinence is the best policy. Sex education and outfits like Planned Parenthood are dangerous. .

For the Fundies (and here I mean the most vocal and most Republican element of the Religious Right), faith is ordinarily more important than thought. This is why secular Democrats find it impossible to argue logically with them. Fundie logic usually comes down to Biblical principles. The Bible, for a Fundie, is the written word of God. The fact that much of the Bible can be interpreted in many ways doesn’t daunt them. Given an option, Fundies will ordinarily give a piece of scripture the most conservative and literal interpretation possible. Debate, for Fundies, usually devolves into a battle of citations to scripture – with Leviticus more typically resorted to than anything from the Sermon on the Mount. As a result, for Fundies, morality is a usually pretty much a black or white thing. There is good and there is evil -- a right way and a wrong way. Usually the good and the right way is the Fundie way. There isn’t much wiggle-room in between.

Fundies are also very uncomfortable with social change. Social change challenges the inherently correct and divinely ordained traditional values Fundies purport to believe in and live by. A multicultural society with disparate opinions and values worries them because such a society is necessarily secular, pluralistic, tolerant and not exclusively Christian. The average Fundie therefore feels that his faith is under constant assault by almost every new social aspect of American public life. Sponge Bob and the Tele-Tubbies might be gay. Telling a high school kid about condoms might encourage their use. Shutting down abortion clinics will eliminate the demand for abortions.

Many Fundies strongly back the state of Israel because they see its existence as foreordained in the Bible. But, paradoxically, they don’t care much for Jews in their own country because the Jews aren’t Christian. Muslims, Buddhists, and practitioners of other non-Christian religions get similar treatment. Despite ideological commonalities with many church-going Catholics, Fundies don’t see Catholics as reliable allies either. Catholics are beholden to Rome and the Pope and their true loyalties are, therefore, questionable. Moreover, much of Catholic dogma – universalistic and rooted in Scholastic rationalism a la Thomas Aquinas -- runs counter to the individualistic sectarian literalism and reliance on faith that is basic to Fundamentalism. Catholics see the Bible as allegorical. Fundies take it literally. It’s the divinely ordained word of God.

Fundies are generally absolutists. They long for certainty in a world that is uncertain, constantly changing, and that isn't simply black or white. As a consequence, they sometimes find themselves trapped in a belief and value system that is totally out of sync with many forms of modernity. Faith healing is seen as better than medicine for some Fundies. Others eschew the use of birth control for some divinely ordained reason or another. Some even see taxation as contrary to Christian principles. Science troubles Fundies a lot because it has the nasty habit of contradicting the literal word of the Book of Genesis.

Popular culture worries Fundies a lot too. Movies, video games, and rap music are all basically too violent, sexually suggestive, and perversely corrupting, and therefore antithetical to Bible-based values. As a consequence, Fundies take refuge in their homes, churches, and families – where they can be comfortable in the company of co-religionists and away from misguided or sinful outsiders.

Fundies hate feminists. Feminism threatens the male-dominated hierarchic family structure embodied in the Bible that Fundies take as the model for their familial existence. The man makes the decisions in the prototypical Fundie household. The little wife, under this paradigm, is supposed to meekly follow along because “father knows best.”

Fundies are the people that home-school their kids, give financial support to hate-spewing televangelists, and picket adult bookstores and abortion clinics. They are sickened by the thought of gay marriage and they see nothing wrong with institutionalizing Christian prayer in the public schools. Because they believe in salvation only through Christ, atheists, agnostics and those adhering to non-“born again” theologies are perceived as erring sinners.

The Fundies’ penchant for exclusivity often makes them self-righteously intolerant of the beliefs of others unlike themselves. Fundies, for example, have a hard time understanding why a Jew might dislike the idea of nativity shrines being placed in public schools or why an adamant atheist might object to having his kids participate in a moment of silent prayer.

Some Fundies are Millenarians – believing that the end of the world is near. Others are Creationists or followers of variations of the Intelligent Design theory. Still others are of the pro-life ilk that gave us the Terri Schiavo carnival. They like putting their beliefs into textbooks and dignifying them as “alternative” views of scientific reality.

The Rich, who actually run the Republican Party, try to keep the Fundies agitated and voting Republican by throwing them an occasional bone -- a pro-life Supreme Court appointee, a proposed anti-flag-burning amendment, or a referendum to allow prayer in the public schools. This is usually enough to energize the Fundie base and enable the Republicans to garner the bulk of the Fundie votes.

But, in truth, the Rich (who generally aren’t fundamentalists themselves and are usually just as secular as the average Democrat) aren’t really all that comfortable around Fundies either. The Rich (usually Anglican, Presbyterian, Lutheran, or Catholic) don’t share Fundamentalist Baptist beliefs and personally don’t really care for a lot of Fundamentalist Baptist values. Bush’s twin daughters, despite their father’s heralded born-again Christianity, are hardly poster-children for the Religious Right. Nancy Reagan’s campaign for a relaxation of rules curtailing stem-cell research is another example of Republican impatience with Fundies. The Pentecostal John Ashcroft (who felt the need to hang a cloth over the naked breasts of a classical sculpture of the Greek goddess of Justice) was generally considered something of a joke by other non-Fundie Republicans. Hence, the Republican sops to the Fundie wing of the party are often apt to be no more than empty rhetoric. Bush can publicly call for a constitutional amendment to ban gay-marriage and win Fundie votes, for example. But he does it knowing full well that such a measure has absolutely no chance of passage. Empty gestures like this are spoon-fed to the Fundies by Republican administrations all the time. The Fundies eat them up.

Until the present administration, mollifying Fundies was never really a major concern for the Rich (who, after all, are really the ones that set the Republican Party’s agenda). This was because the Rich knew that, outside of the Republican Party, the Fundies really had nowhere else to go. As a result, Fundies either voted Republican or didn’t vote at all.

Now, Fundies are more important to the Rich than in former years. Demographics matter. The number of minorities in America is growing and Republicans know that those minorities get citizenship papers and have children. These citizens and grown-up children typically vote Democratic. This has forced the Rich to be more accommodating to Fundie views. Fundies can make for a numerically powerful Republican bloc if you can get them to feel really empowered, motivated, and voting for a cause they really believe in. Just ask Karl Rove.

3. The Libertarians. The Libertarians are a strange group whose philosophy marries ultra-conservative laissez-faire capitalism with radically liberal private lifestyle behaviors. The conservative economic side of the Libertarian equation, however, is usually more important to most Libertarians than the liberal socially permissive behavioral side. As a result, when it comes time to vote Libertarians are usually reliably Republican.

Libertarians are typically well-educated people. While seldom wealthy, there are enough of them around that they can fund some very loud think tanks such as the Cato Institute.
And because many of them vote, the Republicans try to keep them in the fold too.

Mainstream Libertarians view any governmental regulation as a bad thing. It is governmental regulation that keeps rugged individualists from climbing to the top of the economic ladder. Aside from having an army for defensive purposes, radical Libertarians see little use for any of the institutions of government that most other people take for granted. If empowered, true Libertarians would move to eliminate all governmental institutions and all regulation.

Libertarians idolize the Rich. As they see it, the Rich are the winners in the game of life -- having acquired their wealth through “good ideas,” “hard work,” and their own “Herculean effort.” Lots of Libertarians are small businessmen or wage slaves that see themselves as would-be triumphant capitalists. Many think that they too could be rich and powerful if only the government would just “get off of their backs.” Libertarians worship “property” and “free enterprise”. They see property ownership and laissez-faire capitalism as dual solutions to virtually any human problem. Some Libertarians would even privatize our highway system -- turning it into a vast conglomerate of toll roads – if they could only get their way.

True Libertarians have no use at all for expensive foreign adventures. Accordingly, one would think that they would view the aggressive foreign interventionism in Iraq with considerable mistrust. But as with many things Libertarian, ideology crumbles in practice. The Libertarian critique of Bush’s Neoconservative Iraq policy, for example, is better characterized as “non-existent” than “weakly anemic”.

Corporations are fine with Libertarians. They see them as a great way for everybody to hold property. Anyone can have a share in ownership and a typically Libertarian Nietzschean managerial type can use a corporation to climb that magical stairway to financial heaven.

Libertarians hate taxes because taxation prevents them from becoming wealthy and because the money raised from them is used to fund the governmental programs the Libertarian doesn’t like.

Many Libertarians see themselves as intellectuals, basing their philosophy on the almost unreadable literary musings of Ayn Rand. When pressed, however, Libertarians are usually extremely vague about the kind of world that their philosophy – if implemented--would actually lead to. The fact that there has historically never been a truly Libertarian society anywhere in the world (the closest thing we’ve ever had to it in America was the era of the “Robber Barons”) is one of the most telling criticisms of Libertarian doctrine. Most Libertarians simplistically forget that there are historical reasons why we have a Federal Reserve System, an FDIC, Social Security, and a Food and Drug Administration. Life without governmental institutions and business regulation was tried in America in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. If you weren’t a Cornelius Vanderbilt or an Andrew Carnegie, it wasn’t seen as being all that good.

Socially speaking, orthodox Libertarians are pro-choice. They also, quite logically, don’t mind people carrying guns around with them. Unlike Fundies, gay marriage doesn’t bother Libertarians one bit. They would even legalize the use of heroin and de-criminalize prostitution. After all, your body is also your property and as such, you ought to be able to do pretty much what you want with it.

But despite their radically individualistic and secular social beliefs, when it comes down to voting, Libertarians invariably align themselves with the Republican Party – perhaps because they view the GOP as the traditional party of entrepreneurs or maybe because they see the Democratic party as being too regulatory. Whatever their reasoning, by voting Republican, Libertarians invariably ally themselves not only with their idols – the Rich, but also with their enemies -- the Fundies, a group that is the complete antithesis of everything Libertarians believe in from a social standpoint.

Aside from occasional governmental support for their businesses (which the true Libertarian professedly doesn’t want), empty slogans (like the recent lip-service Bush has been paying to an “ownership society”), or the repeal of an occasional regulation or tax, the Rich usually reward Libertarian devotion with exactly nothing. Go figure.

4. The Anti-Liberals. This is by far the biggest group of Republican voters in my opinion. They are usually white, mostly, but not always male, and their basic common denominator is an inability to empathize with anyone other than themselves. Ideologically (to the extent they have an ideology) they are almost all of the Paleoconservative persuasion.

Anti-Liberals may or may not be well educated. Their overriding characteristic is that they are extremely self-absorbed. They are usually not very interested in politics and too apathetic to be big-time Republican activists. Rather, most of them tend to vote Republican simply because it’s something they’ve always done and see no reason to change. Because they've never been hungry, homeless, discriminated against, or gay-bashed, they find it hard to relate to anyone else that has. They view themselves as hard working, but regard the poor as lazy. They don’t care much for Blacks, Hispanics, or gays because they are different than themselves; they’ve never associated with them, and really don’t care to make any effort to understand their problems or aspirations.

Anti-Liberals are the kind of people that see affirmative action as reverse discrimination and an Equal Rights Amendment as girls sharing locker rooms with boys. They don’t like taxes either and basically see government as a state-created system for doling money out to persons other than themselves.

The Anti-Liberals are mistrustful of intellectuals because such people are impractical, too concerned about politically correctness, and generally lacking in common sense. They are the kind of people that called Adlai Stevenson an "egghead" and felt more comfortable voting for a regular guy like Eisenhower. The Anti-Liberals didn’t view the fact that John Kerry spoke fluent French as something admirable. Rather it was seen as something vaguely anti-American, highbrow, and effete. Foreign things aren’t popular with xenophobes. On the other hand, Anti-Liberals like Bush because he is a “regular guy,” much like themselves -- the sort of fellow you’d be comfortable having a beer with.

Anti-Liberals don't read much, don’t pay a lot of attention to hard news, and aren’t much for “big ideas”. All that is seen as pretension or affectation to them. Instead, they prefer a lowbrow milieu of popular culture – taking pleasure in reality TV, NASCAR races, and especially country music. Most of their information about the world is gleaned by rumor or filters in from Fox News. Anti-Liberals really don’t care much about current events because they don’t see politics as affecting their lives very much.

Most Anti-Liberals aren't particularly rich. However, they are believers in the “American Dream” and think that maybe someday they can be. They see the Rich as having earned their wealth and that they should be allowed to keep it. Anti-Liberals hate taxes because they don’t think they get any benefit from them. They are especially attracted to flat taxes because they see them as egalitarian and simple. After all, if everyone paid 10% wouldn’t that be fair?

This group likes guns, especially handguns, and they are all too ready to use them – usually on misperceived intruders or, in drunken or angry moments, on their wives. While there are hunters among them, few of these self-styled outdoorsmen are engaged enough, or have enough of a developed sense of the commonweal, to be big environmentalists.

Anti-Liberals generally see the Democrats as naive, lacking in common sense, and stupidly tenderhearted. They love Rush Limbaugh because he talks like them, thinks like them, and because he reinforces their own view of what the world is all about.

Although normally lethargic, Anti-Liberals can be roused to spastic fits of patriotism – usually of the most jingoistic sort. This is usually of the mindless “my country right or wrong” variety and is manifested more often in the brandishing of symbols than in a flurry of enlistments. Anti-Liberals are readily identifiable by the American flags flying in their yards, the tiny replicas of the Stars and Stripes worn on their coat lapels, or by the magnetic yellow ribbons they like to affix to the backs of their SUVs. If you see any of such emblems, rest assured that their owners vote Republican.

Anti-Liberals are the people that still think Saddam had something to do with 911 and believe that Iraq’s WMDs were all right, but were secretly shipped away to Syria before the war.

“Liberal,”of course, is a dirty word to the Anti-Liberal, although few of them could explain what “liberalism” is or why it is such a bad thing. Most equate “liberals” with snobs or kooks – extremists that police the English language, show disdain for their lifestyles, or espouse far-left causes – like PETA or radical environmentalism.

The Rich keep the Anti-Liberals voting Republican chiefly by giving them occasional paltry tax breaks, bombarding them with simplistic media news spin, parodying Democrats as zany nutcases, and by employing wedge issues like “gay marriage” or “reverse discrimination” or foreign bogeymen like Saddam Hussein to keep them passionate and aroused. More than this is seldom necessary because most Anti-Liberals usually vote Republican no matter what happens. They always have and they simply aren’t socially engaged or committed enough to do otherwise.

5. The Hierarchs. I call this group Hierarchs because my preferred word for them -- “Supremacists” -- has been co-opted by the likes of the Militiamen and the Neo-Nazi Skinheads (who dislike Republicans just as much as they dislike Democrats). By Hierarchs, I mean those people that see themselves as superior to the great unwashed and uneducated masses that they believe populate the Democratic Party. The Republican Party, being whiter and more Anglo-Saxon, is far more to the Hierarchy’s liking.

Hierarchs are the sort of people that think Blacks are mentally inferior to whites – either inherently or because of their poor education. They likewise view Hispanics as fit only for menial labor for essentially the same reasons. While most Hierarchs do nothing to actively harm Blacks, Hispanics, or gays, they nevertheless dislike being around them and do nothing to help them. Seeing themselves as deservedly at the top of an economic, educational, racial, or genetic pecking order, they see helping the lower-downs as upsetting the natural order of things. Indeed, many Hierarchs are actually economic or social Darwinists, who believe that the poor are that way because there is something inherently inferior about them. Others are smarmy pundits – the self-styled aristocrats and pseudo-intellectuals that typically occupy the Republican chairs in what passes for news on evening cable TV – the Anne Coulter, George Will, and Tucker Carlson clones that snigger when any reference is made to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Other Hierarchs are more garden-variety -- the sort of people that see the neighborhood as falling apart if a black family happens to move in. The least educated of the Hierarchs shade off into what we usually think of as “Rednecks” -- the Bubbas that like to fly Confederate flags as a badge of their values and in order to irritate Blacks. Many of these kinds of Hierarchs tend to live in rural areas or in gated suburban communities – where minorities are thankfully few – as opposed to urban areas, where one must actually see, work with, and sometimes associate with Blacks, Hispanics, and gays on a first hand basis. Hierarchs, particularly those of the rural Redneck variety, also love their guns.

Some Hierarchs, of course, are outright bigots – the dangerous sort of people that burn crosses, beat up gays, or deface Jewish cemeteries. There are fewer and fewer of these people around, thankfully, but when they vote, they certainly don’t vote Democratic.

The Republican Party isn’t particularly happy about having bigots in their ranks. Bigots sometimes become embarrassments. But the Rich seldom eschew their votes. That’s why you still hear a lot of weasel words from Republicans about “school vouchers”, “reverse discrimination,” “enforced busing”, and the dangers of “immigrants’ and “bilingual education”. Such code words have an appeal to a certain segment of the Republican constituency – mostly white high school educated males – who view themselves as either forgotten or victimized by the Democrats. Republican leaders know this perfectly well and freely capitalize on it.

Conclusion.

This mixed bag – the Rich, the Fundies, the Libertarians, the Anti-Liberals, and the Hierarchs -- in my opinion, constitutes the hard-core Republican voting bloc. These make up the 30%-40% of the country that can be reliably counted upon to vote for people like George W. Bush (or any other Republican candidate) come hell or high water. They are the backbone of the Republican Party.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:40 PM
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1. Recommended
Great stuff!
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:52 PM
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2. kicking and nominating
that really sums it up.

It seems to me that most people who describe themselves as libertarian are accurately described above. But if they really thought through the Libertarian philosophy they would reject the idea of personhood (without responsibility) for corporations.

Of those groups, I think the Libertarians are the only ones that would ever consider voting with Dems.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 08:59 PM
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3. Fascinating, horrifying reading...well done, useful - thanks.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:01 PM
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4. Seconded
Takes a while to go through it, but it's worth it.

If it had a bibliography, I might have climaxed :smoke:
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:18 PM
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5. You should have listed the religious right first, not second.
Not only are born again evangelicals the group that broke most strongly for Bush in the statistics given, but there are far more of them than there are of people with household incomes over $200K. The next category of high earners, still no more than 4% of the population, broke for Bush no more than everyone who is Protestant, which is over half of the population.

Bottom line: the religious right is the GOP base. Those who earn over $200K may be there right with them. But there aren't nearly as many of the latter as there are of the former.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:40 PM
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6. No question that the Fundies tipped it for Bush, but
I think that the Anti-Liberals, when all is said and done, are the backbone of the Republican vote. I agree that the Fundies outnumber the Rich...no question about it. But I think the Rich are the ones that run the Republican Party. That's why I started with them.

It'd be interesting to see more numbers. The CNN exit polling is good but it gives breakouts in percentages rather than raw figures.

But your point is certainly well-taken.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:50 PM
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9. Anti-liberal strikes me as a very fuzzy group.
The problem with "anti-liberal" is that the whole notion of liberalism is quite broad and diverse, meaning that those who are against it are even more difficult to identify. It's easy to make the jump from the use of "liberal" as an epithet by the right to the notion that "anti-liberal" is an identifiable group. But... color me skeptical.

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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:29 PM
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11. Good point.
I tried to think of a way to summarize the people I called "Anti-Liberal" and had difficulty. I found the best way to look at them was as sort of contrarians. The antithesis of the Democratic liberal.

I tried to figure out what values the Liberals stood for and then tried to juxtapose where this group stood on them by way of contrast.

I saw modern "liberal" values as a compendium made up of something like this:

Feminism
Environmentalism
More social than defense spending
Gun control and rehabilitation as responses to crime
Campaign finance reform
Freedom of expression
Civil rights
Gay rights
Multiculturalism

I saw the group I was trying to describe as being basically opposed to all of the above to varying degrees. Hence my use of the term "Anti-Liberal".

If I were to further subcategorize the Anti-Liberals, I think I'd want to say more about the rural/urban divide in America and go into the Coastal/ South-West divide a bit more. A lot of that is cultural. I think I touched on some of these cultural differences in my description of Anti-Liberals but, like you, I'm still not totally satisfied with what I came up with.

George Lakoff would call these "Anti-Liberal" people "strict father" types (as opposed to the Democrats who he calls "nurturing parent" types). There's a lot to what Lakoff says but its all about thought metaphors. I didn't feel competent to get into that. But I'm convinced cultural values has a lot to do with the makeup of the group I call the Anti-Liberals.

Any thoughts on your side?
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:43 PM
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13. It's interesting going down your list....
There are four or five things I am strongly for, a couple more where I'm neutral, depending on how they are interpereted, and two where I likely would be seen in opposition. The problem is that there just isn't a unifying philosophy that causes Democrats to cohere in the fashion that Republicans do. If we expanded the list to include more leftist issues such as "favor elimination of corporate profit," or social statements such as "believe in god," that lack of cohesion becomes even more apparent.

I think this asymmetry has broad effect, often because people want to treat the two parties as mirror images, or to see the political landscape as a line. Those on the right are able to use "liberal" as an epithet partly because there is so much to choose from when aiming for a slur. Conversely, liberals wonder why there is no liberal Rush Limbaugh. I think the reason is that that just isn't possible. There's not enough cohesion among us to create a dittohead phenomenon.

You're correct, I think, that there is sort of an anti-liberal meme that is popular on the right. But I'm not sure that that identifies a group, as much as it does a practice broadly of those who are Republican. It's more like wearing the flag lapel pin, than it is being a member of the religious right, i.e., it's a marker, rather than a deeper characteristic.

Or so it seems to me.

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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:13 PM
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14. You put your point very well. But actually as I was trying
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 11:27 PM by joemurphy
to do my analysis, I began to wonder just how it is that the Republicans hold together. Frankly, I think their coalition is really kind of tenuous.

There are certainly tensions in the Democratic Party. Like you, I probably go along with most of the "isms" I listed as part of the makeup of modern liberalism. Democrats always have to worry about keeping moderates and progressives in the same camp. It struck me that the Republicans have much the same problem in keeping the group I call the "Anti-Liberals" in their tent.

I think there is something to my idea that a lot of the Anti-Liberals can't empathize with blacks, gays, or Hispanics. But there's more to them than that. I think a lot of them are white, blue collar, mostly males that in the past have benefited from liberalism (eg. the 40 hour workweek, OSHA, Social Security, unemployment compensation, SBA loans, VA benefits, FHA loans, the Federal Land Bank and Production Credit Associations for farmers etc.) but haven't really gotten anything from the Democrats in recent years. Instead, Democratic issues and "liberalism" have moved away from blue collar white males to address the issues I included in my list. As a result, these people see themselves as getting nothing from the Democrats or, worse, as
being victimized by immigration, crime, drugs, loose morals, and other ills that the Democrats haven't really addressed or which they perhaps see Democrats as fomenting. I'm not putting this well because it's late and I'm tired, but I think that perhaps these people aren't voting Democratic because they see modern liberalism as maybe passing them by or ignoring their concerns.

Perot showed that this group can be torn away from the Fiscal Conservatives that dominate the Republican Party. If the Democrats could address some of their concerns -- immigration, job security, health, and education -- we might get some of these people back. Howard Dean seems to think this is the case at any rate.

My father was a Roosevelt Democrat. He voted Democratic all his life out of gratitude for some of Roosevelt's programs. It occurs to me that Democrats haven't done all that much for white males since the 1930's and 1940's.

Anyway, I think that has something to do with what's going on with our problems with the Southern, rural, and white blue collar voters. I didn't say much about this in my categorizations.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:29 PM
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15. Aren't those the "Reagan Democrats"?
Part of the issue might be that they don't see any tangible from modern liberalism. But how much do they see from modern conservatism? I fear Reagan was able to change the axis of the political tension, from one of benefit, to one of cultural alignment.

I'm not sure what to do about that.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:45 PM
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23. I think yes, strong leader types.
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 04:48 PM by Usrename
I think that the anti-liberals are not damaged individuals. They have traditional values and can be repulsed by corruption and crime. They don’t go to polls out of self-interest, but feel a civic duty. They don’t vote their pocket-book because that would cheapen their vote. Though I do think they understand concepts like “a rising tide raises all ships" (another strong leader).

Eallen touches on what I think is important. It is strongly reflected in the use of the liberal/anti-liberal tags. Liberals view strength and independence as mutually supportive qualities. I don’t think most people do. For some reason, bad schooling, genetics, whatever, I think most people view the cohesion of the conservatives as strength.

This brings us back to the anti-liberal (anti-weak) who supports the current administration, out of true (not misguided) sense of patriotism. I see the obvious catch-22 here. Liberals can’t be unified and still be liberals. Well, not me. I feel a duty to my country to stifle any personal dissent in order to save the nation. I know this last slipping slightly off topic. I mention it only to illustrate that this unity that is growing should be nurtured as it will have the greatest effect on the anti-liberals. I think their primary issue is (perceived) American strength.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:27 PM
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24. I don't think they get anything tangible from modern
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 06:40 PM by joemurphy
conservatism either -- maybe a small tax benefit (but nothing like what the Rich got). So what motivates these people to vote Republican?

Well, if you're a Southerner, the South fell out of the Democratic coalition with LBJ's civil rights program and his "Great Society" initiatives. Both were seen by Southerners as a betrayal of the South in favor of Blacks. Democrats haven't done well in the South ever since. Short of running a Southerner like Carter or Clinton, getting Democratic votes out of the South has been pretty futile.

This may be changing in some places like Florida (due to Northern migration) or North Carolina (where the Raleigh/Durham area has become more technocratic and, likewise, has brought an influx of higher educated professionals in to work). But the South has always been a very conservative (some might say backward) area where past patterns tend to be self-perpetuating. Southerners might be voting Republican because they've been doing it since 1964.

As for rural voters and blue collar white males, it could be argued that their recent allegiance to the Republicans stems partly from your "Reagan Revolution" argument -- that Reagan represented a "strong leader" to them, in contrast to Carter (who appeared at a loss with the Iranian hostage situation). But there's more to it all than that.

I think the blue collar whites left the Democratic Party partly because they like their politics unnuanced. They liked the "plain talking" of Ross Perot. It also explains some of Bush's popularity among them. Gore was seen as being a "liar". Kerry, a "flip-flopper."

But more than anything, I think the blue collar whites saw the Democrats as doing nothing for them and as a bigger evil than the Republicans who, at least, were more anti-immigrant, more for lower
taxes, and more against affirmative action. Lots of Southerners, rural types, and blue collar whites are also concerned with moral values and local issues like job security, education and crime. Democrats haven't been able to convince them that they have any real concern for these issues.

Personally, I think a lot of the Anti-Liberals could be wooed back to the Democratic Party if more of their lunch-bucket concerns could be addressed in some way.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:46 PM
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7. Excellent. A fair amount of overlap between groups though, isn't there?
Well written.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:49 PM
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8. Yes, definitely...But there are a surprising number of
contradictions too. Until I started trying to categorize the factions I hadn't really thought about what a strange mishmash the Republican vote is. It's in many ways as diverse as the Democratic voters.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:56 PM
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10. Worthy of Publication
Seriously.

Try to do us next and you can really get interesting. (in an actually interesting way and not a 'flame-war' way.)
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 10:39 PM
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12. Nice analysis. Thanks
:hi:
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:02 AM
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16. Very well written
Needs to be published. :thumbsup:


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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:04 AM
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17. A question--
I'm afraid far beyond scope of your concerns.

But I'd be v. curious to know the exact $ cut-offs, income- and asset-wise, re- those who ACTUALLY have financially benefitted from * policies, taking into account ALL consequences.

I mean, I really suspect that, once you take into account all the short- and long-term detriments, only a VERY tiny % will actually come out ahead financially.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 04:26 AM
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18. I sure wish they had some IQ data - I have my own theory ...n/t
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chemp Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 06:32 AM
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19. guess my family is in the minority
of the $100k plus club.
must be the masters degrees in something other than business that allows one to think before voting.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:54 PM
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20. Excellent - thank you and recommended. nt
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 01:56 PM
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21. Break the backbone.
Let the fuckers eat each other for a while.
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-30-05 02:51 PM
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22. nominated!
MOS DEF!
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