"Looters will be treated RUTHLESSLY" - Gov of MS, Barbour - AGREE?

[bpilgrim]

Poll question: "Looters will be treated RUTHLESSLY" - Gov of MS, Barbour - AGREE?

did y'all hear this official from NO... (MP3)
http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/katrina/looting_will_be_treated_ruthlessly.mp3

where are these wackos priorities, the fucking storm ain't even over yet :puke:

or is this another DISTRACTION from their own incompetence :argh:

peace

[jean]

1. that was Gov of MS, Barbour

[bpilgrim]

2. thx

updated

:toast:

peace

[expatriot]

3. There needs to be a third choice:

I fully realize the need for vigilant property protection by law enforcement in such times as these in which entire areas are on the brink of anarchy but I am DISGUSTED by the self-righteousness and pretentiousness of those who look down at the disempowered and disaffected among us and so zealously judge them.

It is similar to my feelings on war. For example, if I were alive at the time I would have fully supported the United States' war against Japan but I would be in total DISGUST and OPPOSITION to the demonization and villifying of the Japanese. Law enforcement and defensive war are very similar in my view. While both are necessary, neither should be taken up with zealous self-righteousness but rather with humility and the constant mindfulness of the tragedy that both are necessary.

[bpilgrim]

4. the M$MWs priorities are the Elites priorities

are all selfish and greedy to the extreme, always.

peace

[Bluerthanblue]

9. well said-

i mostly agree. The word 'ruthless' is pretty 'out-there'- do they mean they'd KILL over 'things'???- got to draw the line there myself- it's stuff- mostly waterlogged stuff....- not a life. IT is replaceable.

But i agree there need to be some help getting folks to focus, and find some sanity and 'control'- I can only imagine what they are going through- and my imagining is not very 'up-beat'.

[wiley]

5. Wouldn't want the poor people to live, would we?

The fact they even call it looting is preposterous. Taking food from Winn-Dixie before the refrigerators go down completely?

:applause:

[Occulus]

6. In a nation where fast-food joints WILL NOT distribute their waste to

the homeless and the hungry- this surprises you?

(I'm not being nasty, but GEEZ.... their priorities are for food that WILL spoil, while hungry people starve during a disaster?)

[bpilgrim]

8. it's our GREEDY insurance companies that have cut the heart & soul out of

AMERICA :cry:

PROFIT over EVERYTHING including PEOPLE

http://media.globalfreepress.com

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[Stand and Fight]

7. Heartless bastards. n/t

[chalky]

10. "Treated ruthlessly"? Isn't that against the current regime's policy?

In the immortal words of Herr Rumsfeld, "Stuff happens."

[bpilgrim]

11. "Stuff happens" Herr Rumsfeld - excellent quote

thanks for sharing :toast:

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[roguevalley]

12. Haley Barbour has blood on his hands. Its his party that did this to

new orleans. He was RNC chair and a fucker in the congress. Its blood on his hands.

[Horse with no Name]

13. My friend in Mobile said that they were told

if they were out after curfew they WOULD be arrested.
No exceptions.

[bpilgrim]

15. what time is curfew?

dusk till dawn?

peace

[Horse with no Name]

16. I think it is 6

Cause I talked to her at around 7'ish and she needed to go try to find a phone with a wall plug to see if it worked.
While I was on the phone, she said she couldn't leave and get it until tomorrow because she would be arrested.

[bpilgrim]

18. so what if they need help?

folks probably don't wanna risk getting shoot considering how the officials and M$MWs are threating people :puke:

peace

[Horse with no Name]

19. I'm not sure

We talked once this afternoon and then once this evening.
She said it was soooo hot. The kids had pitched a tent in the yard because the house was too hot.
she was lying in the bed of the truck with a mattress.
Both times we talked, the reception really sucked and we were cut off at about 7-8 minutes.
I'll talk to her tomorrow hopefully and I will ask her.

[bpilgrim]

20. how awful

thanks for sharing :toast:

peace

[LostinVA]

49. This isn't harsh -- there's a good reason for this

The streets are very dangerous after a hurricane -- rubble, wires, trees, etc., and also the streets need to be clear for EMTs, power companies, people bringing food/water/ice, etc. It's for everyone's safety, and it allows the NG and other disaster relief people to do what they need to do.

[loudsue]

14. NOT if they're looting liquor stores! But if they're getting FOOD

or clothing, and water....then I think they should take what they need. God knows the republican government wouldn't give 'em a piece of stale bread.

:kick::kick::kick:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. I gotta tell ya...if I lost everything..I'd go get me some liquor

it's not like the stores are open to sell it...I'd need a drink after surviving that...wouldn't you?

[loudsue]

21. LOL! Now that you mention it...

:toast::beer: :hi:

Yep.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Swamp Rat]

22. i don't care if people break into my home. i have four 5 gallon bottles

of water and lots of canned food for this type of emergency. they can have it all. they are humans and need help. :cry:

[bpilgrim]

23. but they're LOOTERS!!!

there is nothing healthy about being well adjusted to a sick society (i forget who said that - my mad cow disease probably) - but thats what i think of when folks HATE the survivors so much to CRIMINALIZE them :crazy:

hey Swamp Rat, hope your mom is ok, please keep us posted when you can :hi:

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[TahitiNut]

55. Personally, I think "healthy" is saying ...

... "Well, they probably needed it more than I do." I've heard that said in my life, but not often enough. :shrug:

[bpilgrim]

56. the elite will not allow those radical thoughts through the matrix

look at what happened to Jesus, attitudes sure haven't changed much after even a couple millennium :cry:

peace

[President Kerry]

75. good to see you n/t

[Lilyhoney]

48. I am with you.

I just saw people "looting" toilet paper from a store. This is a matter of survival and if it were my store, and I was not there, I would hope that my stock was being used. Even the liquor and smokes.

If people are looting televisions, then someone should smack them upside the head and help them to prioritize. Not shoot them.

[TahitiNut]

50. We agree yet again ... and I don't even drink!

Maybe there's something about having a 'puter and internet access that makes it highly improbable that folks would comprehend what it'd be like to live in grinding, back-breaking, oppressive poverty day after day and year after year, no matter what you do - when you can even muster up the energy to make yet another try at the "good life" that you see on the other side of the tracks.

We hear a Repuke Governor strutting yet again about killing folks, yet he wallows in the cronyism of tax cheats, war profiteers, and stock fraud millionaires. "Don't look behind that curtain!" In the same breath he scrambles to applaud Smirk for a "response" that has yet to appear as a single boot-on-the-ground.

I'd be willing to bet that the insurance claims for theft and vandalism exceed the actuals by at least an order of magnitude. Which is the greater theft?

[bpilgrim]

54. "to live in grinding, back-breaking, oppressive poverty day after day..."

"Maybe there's something about having a 'puter and internet access that makes it highly improbable that folks would comprehend what it'd be like to live in grinding, back-breaking, oppressive poverty day after day and year after year, no matter what you do - when you can even muster up the energy to make yet another try at the "good life" that you see on the other side of the tracks."

it is always sad to see this kinda ignorance on display, in full hyperventilating arrogance especially on DU.

what are these folks going to say when they soon begin to experience it for themselves?

:hi: TahitiNut

peace

[jokerman93]

60. a nod and salute to this post

n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

24. I have very clear feelings about this

Taking stuff to survive? Totally justifiable if you pay for it whenever you can. This could be done with an anonymous money order or something like that when you are on your feet again.

Taking jewelry and shit? Throw the BOOK at them. It's wrong and I don't care about the circumstances.

[Solly Mack]

25. I don't agree about shit with Haley Barbour

and never will.

I know who he is - I know his history.

[Tomee450]

71. I know Barbour's history too

and it's not pretty. I am not at all surprised that HE would make that kind of comment.

[Usrename]

26. can't let them steal the governor's loot. That would be wrong.

The inhumanity of it. I hope our National Guard aren't asked to do anything bad. What is wrong with these people - they need some kind of ___ectomy. If we could just figure out what it is we could get them the operation. I would chip in.

[Usrename]

27. can't let them steal the governor's loot - that would be wrong!

The inhumanity of it. I hope our National Guard aren't asked to do anything bad.

[bluestateguy]

28. People who are truly looting should be disposed of

There is a distinction that should be made between people who are looting for nothing more than personal gain and selfishness and people who, for example, take food supplies from a store for day to day survival.

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. Should be, but will not be.

I've seen video of a hispanic man arguing with a guardsman (FL, after Andrew) who wouldn't let him go into a trashed supermarket - the man was looking for formula for his baby. The guy just lost everything, his baby was starving, but taking a can of formula was looting.

Sick.

[bicentennial_baby]

33. disposed of?

what are they, garbage? how charming... :eyes:

[bluestateguy]

39. Yes they are garbage

Somebody loots my property* after a disaster and I'll go Old West on them.

*Taking food and water is different, in which case I'd let them have it myself.

[bpilgrim]

63. people who characterize other people as 'GARBAGE' must seek help

IMMEDIATELY

http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace

[bicentennial_baby]

69. wow, your statements disgust me

seriously. i'll be avoiding you from now on.

[datasuspect]

82. ewwww

creepy

[Gelliebeans]

29. pathetic

and I watched the video feed on WDSU they kept replaying it all evening
:eyes:

[LincolnMcGrath]

30. Jefferson Parish Sheriff says "Looters will be shot on sight"

Where is the outrage when it is CEOs doing the looting? Same goes with picket line crossing SCABS. Huh, Where is the outrage?

[bluestateguy]

38. There is plenty of outrage here from me

I believe in the death penalty for white collar corporate crimes, and yet when I say that the anti-death penalty hug-a-thug crowd goes all into a conniption.

But none of that excuses looting of non-emergency, non-survival items: TV's, jewelery, etc. Those people should just be shot on sight, and disposed of, so that the authorities can deal with saving lives and protecting the innocent.

[Tomee450]

70. How utterly disgusting.

If my house was looted and everything taken, I would never wish that the perpetrators be shot. Things can be replaced, people cannot. How awful for someone to consider people as garbage. It's sad that you place things above human life.

[LincolnMcGrath]

78. SO if your son / dog / wife floats in the store door / window,

You have no problem if I unload on you as you all exit the building?

Just saying....


'Proud Member Of The Anti State Sanctioned Murder Hug A Thug Crowd' :eyes:

[bpilgrim]

42. gross

:puke:

peace

[JI7]

31. disgusting cold unfeeling prick

i wish Ronnie Musgrove was still there.

[bpilgrim]

34. kick

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[ohio_liberal]

35. My take....

The people breaking into pawn shops to steal guns I have no sympathy for. The people who are breaking into grocery stores shouldn't be breaking in at all. Open the fucking doors and let them take whatever they need. Perishables will be rotted, cans will be rusted and no good in a few days anyway.

[bribri16]

36. "Ruthlessly" as in how we treat all poor people all the time! n/t

[bpilgrim]

41. true n/t

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[graywarrior]

37. Wait'll it starts happening nationwide when no one can afford to eat

[bpilgrim]

43. welcome to the third world

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[beetbox]

40. The police try to protect

The problem goes back to when the powers, beauties, and deep knowledges of the age-old women's traditions were supplanted by military-caste mystiques & the accumulation of heavy metals

From d.a. levy
"Really"
                     the police try to protect
                     the banks - and everything else
                     is secondary"

[ret5hd]

44. Paging Inspector Javert!!!... Paging Inspector Javert!!!..

There are reports of a certain "Jean Valjean" and associated types running loose in New Orleans and Mississippi! Please report IMMEDIATELY!!!

[manic expression]

45. Listen to the fascist sound....

How disgusting! They leave these people out in the cold, and then when they try to get some products of survival and a few things of actual luxury (something they have little of in their lives), they threaten them with summary execution? :puke:

Notice how A LARGE part of those left behind are (wait for it...) black. Funny how the richer people get out fine and expect those who are subjected to nature to take it and nothing else.

If someone leads a life of poverty, and then is left by their government and the richer to a terrible proposition of facing a hurricane with no support; I have NO problem with them taking products of both survival and luxury from those who didn't lend them a hand, before or during the storm; not to mention being part of the entity which has kept those people deprived and desperate for so long.

[bpilgrim]

51. this morning he was saying how they will treat them "MERCILESSLY"

what a FASCIST :puke:

peace

[tom_paine]

46. Their priorities, as always, lie with crushing the citizenry beneath their

boots.

THAT, from the very beginning, has been their First Priority, it surprises me not at all that it is their First Priority now, well above sabing lives or any ofthat bleeding-heart-Liberal crap.

[bpilgrim]

53. hi tom_paine

http://media.globalfreepress.com

good to see you still posting on DU even if under such dark circumstances, which unfortunately seems the norm under the neoCONs.

peace

[Pithlet]

47. He's just appealing to his base

The kind of people who could sit in their comfy homes fully stocked and watch the suffering on tv and froth at the mouth about those evil looters. The kind of people who view everything in black and white, and don't have an empathetic bone in their bodies. The kind of people who can overlook the fact that this city has been crushed, that people are scrambling for their very lives, bodies are floating in the water, and focus on looters. The looters! The looters!!!!

Honestly. Who really gives a flying fuck about looters right now? No one with an ounce of understanding of the magnitude of suffering and destruction. Some are too wrapped up in black and white the law is the law viewpoint to actually attempt to think about what it might be like to be in New Orleans at this moment.

[bpilgrim]

52. LA Gov Kathleen Blanco "the devestation is greater than our WORST fears"

:cry:

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[noonwitch]

57. There's a difference between taking food and taking electronics

Taking food, diapers, etc., is survival.

Taking Televisions, stereos, jewelry, etc., is looting.

[bpilgrim]

58. and there is a huge DIFFERENCE between LIFE and PROPERTY

and where folks PRIORITIES are.

JIC u don't know...

1. LIFE
2. Property

the GOV needs to get his priorities straight.

peace

[beetbox]

62. The "loot" is then turned into money

and then food in many cases.

poverty is the only crime and that crime is really a symptom of the disease we call "Wealth"

let's keep our attentions on the colossal bandits with a laser like focus.

[mountainvue]

59. Shouldn't the first priority be rescue/evac? n/t

[bpilgrim]

61. only if you're a commie!

http://media.globalfreepress.com

you're not a commie now, r u?

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

64. I am 100% sure the good Governor had a hard-on while saying that.

With a, say, 20% probability that he creamed his pants right then and there.

[underpants]

65. Wow Barbour really went out on a limb there didn't he?

the looters ;-) are doing something illegal and of course ALL the looters ;-) ;-) should be dealt with according to the law but in this extreme circumstance these looters ;-) will have to be dealt with in extreme ;-) ways

[bpilgrim]

67. he will deal with them MERCILESSLY today

according to this mornings statement :crazy:

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[sniffa]

66. wow. 32% huh?

[bpilgrim]

68. another depressing DU poll... the M$MWs programming is very powerful

more than 1/2 of responders to my Hiroshima poll thought it was right to NUKE civilians of a state that was defeated and suing for peace :puke:

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[rinsd]

72. That's because your previous poll....

...was based on revisionist history and was argued to death.

[bpilgrim]

79. oh

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[two gun sid]

73. Looting should not be their top priority at this point.

Let's get people safe first. Then we can worry about 'stuff'.

[donheld]

74. Looting my not be right

but i know officials have MUCH better things to worry about. :grr: Why are they wasting time keeping people from taking things that will be pitched anyway. :mad: Whether these people need the stuff or not. The companies will write it off as damaged goods anyway. :grr:

[donheld]

76. These looters weren't

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4511305&mesg_id=4514900

[WI_DEM]

77. Barbour still looking out for his corporate cronies

[William Bloode]

80. I saw something fairly refreshing on the evening news.

It showed some of the cops and what they were doing. They appeared not to be overly harsh and were basically just making the ones who had non essential items drop them. They seemed to be letting the folks who were taking food, water, and medical supplies go about their buisness. It actually showed where they were actually "looting" a store(s) and sending it to neighbourhoods that were to flooded for people to get around.

I hope this is a general practice, and not just a minimalization of whats really going on.

Also i must give a big hollar to my local NBC affiliate. They only showed folks who were taking water and food, and did not even touch the word "looting" in the broadcast. They only mentioned people were mostly stealing essentials for survival.

[bpilgrim]

81. that is very encouraging to hear

especially after hearing the Gov.

thanks for sharing that bit of good news :toast:


and thank you, local NBC affiliate and the first responders and police for showing COMPASSION in the midst of this horrible disaster :toast:

peace