They're Getting Ready To Sack Someone

[Solomon]

People keep saying that nothing will be done everytime a scandal hits this administration.

But there will be a "straw that broke the camel's back."

I'm afraid the Wilson affair is too big to just be swept under the rug. Somebody's going to get sacrificed for this one.

Now they're talking about whether administration officials will be confronted with lie detector tests when they go to work tomorrow.


Anybody want to take a guess at who gets sacked?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. I am in a betting mood

Condi Rice...

[Andy_Stephenson]

7. I say Condi as well

How long before she commits "Suicide"?

[Classical_Liberal]

9. If you watched Bucannan and Press it looks like it

is the VP's office that will take a hit.

[Jacobin]

2. BunkerBoy.....it's gonna get traced to someone in his office

HE was the big yellowcake fraudster and spent lots of time at the CIA intimidating them into allowing the junta to lie about the war. Now, with no WMD and Iraq in the toilet, the junta is blaming the CIA.

They will not allow this to stand.

Cheney's ass is grass.

[Solomon]

3. You know, now that I think about it, the scandal gives them

plenty of options don't it. They can pretty much ditch whoever they want or need to.

I think they may hold on to Condi for a while. She's worth a bigger scandal I think. They can pin 9-11 on her if they have to.

Is there anyone working there who does not have a big name with the public. They will have to get someone higher than a janitor, but lower than the well-known characters.

[NicoleM]

62. I disagree

The CIA has to know who did it. I don't think they will let the admin scapegoat an innocent person. They'll want to see the real leakers go down.

[alcuno]

5. I don't know if one person would do it.

I think that both Libby and Rove were involved. Rove is not going to fall on his sword. If it's Libby, which I think it is, that still leaves someone else. The WP article said that a senior WH official said TWO people were making calls. They can't have two resignations because that's a CONSPIRACY.

This WH is known for hunkering down and never admitting they are wrong. I say they'll try and stick it out for a while and hope it goes away.

[NoKingGeorge]

53. NSC would know CIA id, Would VP have this ? nt

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

60. That's my bet

Mr. Undisclosed Location probably isn't interested in a second term (drooling to get more of the Halliburton stock options), so having him resign with a big 'ol mea culpa at this time would make sense. The cancer is off the presidency and the election is still twelve months away.

[Melsky]

4. I think it will be Rove

because I have heard Wilson say he thinks that is the responsible party.

[Solomon]

6. Yeah I think you maybe right.

He can still work behind the scenes anyway even if they publicly get rid of him.

[RandomUser]

50. That's a good point

What's to stop him from working behind the scenes after he's officially sacked? He's always been behind the scenes anyway. He doesn't really need official status to do his job of providing political strategy and advice.

[frank frankly]

8. before i look at the other quesses, may i offer Dick Cheney

Tricky Dick, The Sequel!!!

gone by 2004!

[Solomon]

12. Maybe we could hit the daily double!!

Rove and Cheney. Ha Ha.

I don't think it will be Cheney because if Cheney has to go it will make Jr. look too bad. It would ruin his campaign.

[Steven_S]

10. I'll take a guess..

These criminals are quite good at what they do. I think they will offer up a low-level wannabe, much like what is done in the Mafia:


From WaPo:

Speaking about the probe for the first time yesterday afternoon in Chicago, Bush called the investigation "a good thing" and said he has told his administration "to be fully cooperative." "There's just too many leaks, and if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," the president said. "If the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of. And so I welcome the investigation."


A Freudian slip - "taken care of"

This is a term used when a wannabe takes the fall for a made member. If you take the rap the family will "take care of" you and yours, and you will have a place in the family on your return.

Watch for a low level hack to take full responsibility, ending the investigation, and then watch that hack's career go skyrocketing.

Just an opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it.

[karlschneider]

19. I mentioned "taken care of" as a maybe Freudian slip here 2 days ago,

and some folks didn't grasp the irony...I meant it to imply they might be "protected", as in "I'll take care of my mom"...

So in a way, it's almost a -double- Freudian slip. Whatever the hell that is...
;-)

[grasswire]

23. I heard several of them say "taken care of"

As in "if there was a leak, the person will be taken care of." Bush said it and I noted two other Pugs saying it. (Don't remember which ones. Might have been Saxby Chambliss for one.) I thought it was very odd phrasing each time I heard it.

[Solomon]

24. Well You know Hannity kept crying for days that Sharpton said Bush

was acting like a gang leader. :evilgrin:

[BattyDem]

30. If a low-level hack takes the fall

Bush* will have to explain why that person had access to information about CIA agents involved in covert operations ... and how that person managed to contact at least 6 reporters without any high-level official knowing about it.

I don't doubt they're setting up a fall guy, I just don't think they can get away with dumping it on a nobody because then the question becomes "How secure are we if the White House doesn't even know who is accessing and distributing sensitive, national security information?"

Besides, they pissed off the CIA big time and those who mess with the CIA always pay.

[gmaki]

32. It would be difficult

I think to set up a low level fall guy, or really two fall guys. If it is true that 6 other reporters know their identities, and if we can assume that at least one of them has integrity. Those reporters can't say who their source is, but surely they can say who there source isn't, if it isn't one of the dudes the White House says it is.

Secondly, if they set up two low level folks they also have to then explain how they BOTH know this information. Maybe they are preparing for that already with the "lots of people in Washington knew" spin but it'll still be difficult I think.

[newyawker99]

36. Hi gmaki!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Solomon]

33. Good point. But do the reporters know of both leakers

or only one?

[mithnanthy]

57. STEVE_S, welcome to Du

I agree on the "taken care of" interpretation...I was originally a JOISEY Girl.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I would have to say

Rove. Joe Wilson said one of the 6 reporters told him it WAS Rove...so, I say that's a safe guess.

edited for terrible spelling!

[calimary]

31. Which, if it's true, is wonderful because it catches both bush and rove

in a bald-faced lie - one I think may have been on-camera (?) - At any rate I think they're probably gonna hunker down and hope they can ride all this out. But the adversary they're facing is the CIA. An ANGRY, scorned, and scapegoated CIA. Besides, no one's going to come forward willingly. They'd have to face potential treason charges, and 10 years in the slammer. Rove is probably not interested, nor is Scooter Libby, (assuming they're the guilty ones).

They'll probably reason that, because they've had the media in their pockets for so long, and they've gotten away with so much else, that this is just another small bump in the road that they'll get over quickly. Only problem is, this is serious. This is no stains-on-a-blue-dress affair.

[mediaman007]

13. They can draw straws for this one, since most of them are pardoned felons.

How could we expect this group to change their stripes. They gave us Iran-Contra, so why should we be surprised.

[fknobbit]

14. Gotta be a volunteer because

This bunch all know too much about each other. I figure Ari (with plausible excuse) because he was bailing out any way.

[PaDUer]

28. They've been balling

one by one anyway.

[Skittles]

15. HA HA, HA HA HA HA

LIE DETECTER TESTS ON REPUBLICANS. DING DING, DING DING DING DING DING!!!

[Solomon]

17. The lie detector tests thing is what made me think it will be a low-level

guy.

Cheney Rove Rumsfeld Rice Powell people like that will not be subjected to a lie detector test.

Plus the test gives them complete control. You can use the test to damn anyone you want.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. i wanna see them hook Ari's lieing ass up to that thing too......

he resigned exactly around the time the CIA filed report to DOJ

[Solomon]

25. Good thinking.

Ari could be good because he's already gone. What a stroke. They lose nothing blaming him. Let's see if this happens.

[ProfessorGAC]

51. One Problem With Ari

Why would the Press Secretary know the names of undercover CIA operatives? Why was national security information being discussed in an open forum where people without "need to know" were present? How many other national security issues are this loosely controlled in the WH?

Blaming the "liar" would create as many questions as it answers.
The Professor

[NoKingGeorge]

54. Would Ari willingly face a charge of treason?

Would Ari, or anyone, be willing to set up house with 'big mike' for 10 federalley sponsered years of togetherness?

[ProfessorGAC]

56. A Point I Neglected To Make

I meant to add that too, and forgot. So, thanks NoKing!
The Professor

[pdx_prog]

63. I was thinking the same thing

It would be too easy to blame it on Ari though...

[pdx_prog]

64. I was thinking the same thing

Would be too convenient to blame it on Ari though

[fknobbit]

21. Save the electronics and

Just watch their lips!

[leftofthedial]

16. they'll fire the second assistant undersecretary

of building maintenance

[philosophie_en_rose]

18. Who will it be?

Obviously, we have at least six journalists who know the exact identity of the Leak. In addition, that person probably has someone else telling him or her what to do.

I think that the Leak was condoned by the entire administration, even moreso than Nixon was involved in Watergate. Bush should go.

But he won't. I don't think that an undersecretary will take the blame. I think that they will insist that they investigated and that there was nothing out of the ordinary. (Nothing to see here, folks!)

However, that would probably not sit well with the CIA or the agents whose lives are gambled away for political retribution. I don't know what would happen, if Bushco let it be known that they will attack family members of agents and risk their identities.

[Booberdawg]

47. It's already known to be SENIOR White House officials that leaked

this info on Plame in July, in fact by shopping it to six other journalists besides Novak they spray painted it all over rather than leaked it! The minute the story broke in July, Plame's cover was compromised, and national security was breeched, the COVER UP started. The fact that a crime had taken place was known at that point, and this White House took no action.

So now approx 80 days later there is no where to pass it off - they are stuck with it. It appears now the leaks came from Rove and the other from Cheneys camp - probably Scooter Libby. And yeah, Bush knows.

I think they are going to go down, including bush eventually. They fucked the CIA and that's a pretty stupid thing to do - they get even.

[dusty64]

22. Big deal if they

"sack" someone or they "resign". Kinda like hughes. I DO want blood, they impeached my President for a blow job, these fuckers have committed TREASON, not to mention MASS MURDER of Iraqi and American citizens. I won't even get into my 150% belief they at best LET 9/11 happen and at WORST orchestrated it. These criminals belong in prison at BEST, at WORST .........

[mediaman007]

27. What do you really think?

Good Post

[BiggJawn]

26. Scott McClellan...

Sure, hang it on the New Guy, doesn't matter that it didn't happen on his watch...

[Solomon]

29. Guffaw!! Ha Ha Ha.

That was a belly laugh. :7

Someone else on another thread pointed out the irony of us hoping in the CIA for a change. Feels strange doesn't? But in an odd way, like coming home. Feels like the CIA is trying to come home. Back to our country. Strange.

[Booberdawg]

34. It has to be Rove or Cheney/Scooter

They can't take a scapegoat on this one. Rove and Cheney are up to their asses in alligators, although Scooter may have done some of the dirty work for Cheney so he could go first. But Cheney is gonna go eventually.

They are gonna fight like dogs first though and dig themselves in deeper. They're already over 2 months into COVER UP mode, they can't pin that on anyone down the food chain.

Why would anyone say Condi? I don't see her involved in the dirty part of this. She must know something though cause her performance was very unconvincing over the weekend and made her look foolish.

There's NO WAY anyone in THAT White House is going to take a lie detector test. Not going to happen.

This seems to be unfolding fast on it's own in the media. There's no sense in stepping in front of a perfectly good train wreck.

[Solomon]

35. If they get Cheney, then I don't see Bush

surviving.

[Booberdawg]

39. That's true - I agree

Just depends on how much time it takes for this to go down I guess. I had Bush in mind as just not getting re-elected. But they are all dirty and will all get hung out to dry eventually. Now I'm just wondering - what kind of desperate tactics would conrnered rats be capable of in a desperate situation like this?

[HFishbine]

37. The Utlimate Prediction

Highest Ranking Officials to go Down: Scooter Libby and Karl Rove.

Highest Ranking Official Who "Had No Knowledge" but Who Resigns Anyway: Dick Cheney

You read it here first, folks.

[Booberdawg]

40. Yep, that's mine too

[HFishbine]

41. Been Meaning to ask

What is a booberdawg?

[Booberdawg]

42. LOL!

Boober is my faithful pooch... a dawg

[HFishbine]

49. Awww

Good Boober.

[nixonwasbetterthanW]

38. Cheney-Agnew parallel

Agnew resigned on 10/10/73.
Cheney on 10/10/03?

[Snellius]

45. I thought of that too. And look what happened after Agnew

After hearing Cheney's last interview with Russert, there is little doubt that Cheney is living in the same kind of deluded, paranoid, out-of-touch Captain Queeg alternate universe as Nixon had closed himself in. There is little doubt that Bush lives there too.

[BigBigBear]

43. I'll go out on a limb

and say, no one.

In a few days, it'll come out that it was Fleischer, or some faceless, Hadley-like figure from DoD.

They won't touch Rove, they wouldn't dare.

[losthope]

44. another suicide

Lookslike they will find another victim shot in the back three times
with a suicide note and confession in his pocket.

[Q]

46. I'm not sure anyone suggested that 'nothing would be done'...

...the suggestion is that nothing will happen to Bush* in regard to ANY of these scandals.

- None of these numerous scandals have harmed Bush's* chances to raise record amounts of campaign cash or sway voters away from voting for him in 2004.

[NoKingGeorge]

55. No money if aWol loses his handlers.

The moneyboys will withhold some money if they see that some of the stage has been rearranged.

[spindoctor]

48. Crystal Ball is cloudy and I drank the Windex by mistake

It will never be my drug of choice though.

Anyway, the question is not who will get fired, but who is most likely to volunteer. This is a good time for certain people to get out before the election train hits full speed.

I can see Rove leaving to focus on the campaign, leaving Wolfowitz to mind the shop.
Although Cheney signed up for a second term, he is probably dying to go back to Halliburton. Considering that it would be "controversial" for him to do so anytime soon after departing his Department, sacrificing Scooter (who is already named as the man behind door #2) will give him a chance to resign without damaging Bush's image or his own.
Cheney hasn't been performing too well recently, with his Meet the Press blunder and all. He seems to be a bit out of control. Replacing him with (hmm....Powels?) might do wonders for the ratings.

Yea, I put my money on Cheney/Libby.

Anybody got some Tylenol?

[NoKingGeorge]

52. TWO officials were commiting TREASON.

The deepthroat in WH said that TWO officials were making calls to out
a CIA agent while we are at war.

[sexybomber]

58. Whoever gets sacked will get pardoned

by the Boy King the day before he has to leave office, so it really doesn't make that much of a difference...

[MaraJade]

59. Not Rice. . .

After all, the Dubya administration will not want to appear
"discriminatory."

I think that Rove (isn't he leaving anyway?) will conveniently
be thrown to the wolves for this one. But Cheney SHOULD get the axe too (he won't).

[creativelcro]

61. too bad

lie detector tests are bullshit. Just read the report by the National Research Council... They make it sound like it's an extreme measure... The polygraph is BS... If people pass it means nothing. If people fail it means nothing... So? People at that level, probably already KNOW that the main purpose of a lie detection test is the hope that somebody is going to crack and confess (under the fear that they would be caught)... -CV